FactCheck.Org: No Evidence to Back COVID-19 Ibuprofen Concerns

Information about Covid-19 changes constantly. This fake news was spread around beginning/mid March and clarified by WHO on the 18th of March for example. However, we do have end of April and there is still no evidence that this could be true. So this is some kind of OLD fake news. Useless information. That's why I asked Joe for his sources.

In regards to NSAIDS, the concern is not a unjustified conspiracy theory or fake news. NSAIDS are believed to cause upregulaiton of ACE2, which is the receptor SARS-COV2 uses to enter cells. So given this there is a theoretical possibility NSAIDS could exacerbate this disease. However, no studies have been attempted to elucidate whether this is the case or not. It is a complete unknown.

In regards to The WHO, they have been completely late to the game with all their recommendations for how to approach and mitigate the disease, and IMO are clearly guided as much by politics as medical concern, so trust their judgment at your own risk and discretion.

Without any evidence I find it hard to believe. An yes, I trust the WHO more than random internet postings. WHO renewed their stand point 6 days ago.

President Trump is saying on Twitter that the US has carried out more than 5 million tests and that is more than any other country in the world plus more than all major countries combined.

Does anyone know if this is true?

5,279,237 tests were done in the states as of april 25. That is close to double the next highest test rate in russia, and germany is third with about 2 million tests.

Worldometers updated their site to include testing stats

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Thanks.

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I'm glad you're alive! If you were coughing up blood you should have been hospitalized.

Breathing exercises might help but really you should see your doctor soonest and have your blood oxygen tested. (You can also buy a pulse oximeter or Apple Watch on Amazon but really, just go to the walk-in clinic and see a doctor.)

You might need to get one of those portable oxygen tanks or oxygen concentrators and wear a nasal cannula for supplemental oxygen. This isn't a joke. Low blood oxygen is something you might not feel is an emergency but it causes brain and heart damage.

https://www.inogen.com/blog/signs-yo...enough-oxygen/

https://www.livescience.com/silent-h...-patients.html

I do believe very large numbers are asymptomatic. However, I don't think these prison numbers should be taken at face value because I also believe there is a very strong social pressure to not be "the one that spread it" (and suffer whatever consequences that means in a prison, they might get shanked), so I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is saying they had no symptoms when really a lot of them did think they had a sore throat, loss of smell, etc., but they were afraid to speak up about it.

WHO’s recent scientific brief on this topic points out limitations with the studies that suggest NSAIDs are safe. In particular the studies are not COVID studies, they focus on other viruses.

Draw what conclusions you may. Here’s the source:

The use of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) in patients with COVID-19, Scientific Brief, WHO, 19 April 2020

https://www.who.int/news-room/commen...-with-covid-19

I don’t have a firm view on NSAIDs. A medical doctor linked me the French Health Minister’s hypothesis a while back and suggested taking a precautionary approach, but if there’s compelling evidence they are safe I’d like to see it. A lot of people rely on them for pain management in daily life.

Lmao you gotta love the irony in that even the Trump shill doesn’t believe what he says

this so much

also, whether or not they are asymptomatic at time of testing vs asymptomatic two weeks from now is a big difference, it's pretty meaningless without a two week wait

also, regarding ibuprofen, it's a freeroll - not taking ibuprofen won't kill you so I just don't see any need to not take what is possibly a needless precaution

Sounds very scammy. Did a Nigerian prince send you this link?

And this was the conclusion:

I am sure they will update it asap if any evidence is found.

He's a partner at YCombinator, and the creator of Gmail.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Buchheit

He is putting in time, and his own money, to support development of solutions. I believe he frankly acknowledges the chance of failure too. What is scammy about this?

We're all human. It's okay to mess up and say something dumb once in a while. Too many people have their entire identity and self-esteem wrapped up in whether or not other people think they are smart. You are obviously very smart but you are allowed to make mistakes too and you don't have to defend everything he says.

I'm honestly impressed at how sharp he still is at 73, it takes a lot of work to maintain that. Bernie is extremely sharp too. Biden is more normal and might have a bit of "sundowning syndrome" seen in dementia where they are best in the morning and get fuzzy in the evening.

I googled it and looked at this, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3045209/, but it just doesn't sound legitimate or practical for widespread use in public places. They are raising money to build and deploy the machines? scammy

He is a legit guy and can have his pick of projects and investors. You have no insight into the technology or the individuals involved.

He also actively encourages people to compete against the project.

I apologize. I don't think they are going to be able to use this to test everyone for COVID-19 every day, but okay, if it works out, great.

Having a success rate < 100% does not equal scammy.

Developing new technologies has a high failure rate. Totally standard and to be expected. All inventors say this. Good chance it won't work. Other organizations are pursuing similar tech; and this is not the only technology his teams are pursuing.

If the new normal required daily testing but allowed almost full return to BAU economic activity I would take it. Much better than having to decide between killing x% of your population or crushing the economy.

despacito, the guy sounds ridiculous. The more soaring words, the grander the vision, the more I avoid.
Ah, the tyranny of the fact checkers and those silly enough to listen to their nonsense. Here's a clue: fact checkers are just random cucks with an opinion like everyone else, who more or less follow the orthodoxy and prevailing philosphy/groupthink/political bias. They're not objective.

"No evidence" isn't a debunking - there's no scientific evidence that trying to cuddle a grizzly is dangerous either (who knows if he likes hugs? no one has ever tested it). No one has done reliable studies on NSAIDS and covid and there are multiple very plausible mechanisms for why they increase the illness. And "no evidence" isn't even correct - there is evidence, it just doesn't yet rise to the level required for slow-moving organizations like the WHO to change longstanding practice. Maintenance of orthodoxy (until large amounts of compelling evidence are in saying it must be changed) is 1000x more important to these people than saving lives. I mean, that's one of the big reasons they screwed up this pandemic. 200,000 people are needlessly dead because these useless cucks in the WHO didn't want to act outside of orthodoxy, long past the point when anyone with a functioning brain would have done just that.

The point of NSAIDS is to blunt immune system response. That's not what you want to do with covid, as initially the immune system is functioning optimally as far as infection is concerned. Since NSAIDS are worthless + net harmful anyway when you're young without autoimmune conditions, caution and avoidance is the correct response.
After all of this - seeing this thread vs the WHO on analysis of covid - you trust the WHO? That's just a wow. The hard evidence greatly lags reality and high quality probability analysis, and "experts" only follow hard evidence (which is often wrong itself, but I digress). This blind spot, this incompetence of experts, is why the WHO and global viral experts gave us this pandemic. Now you want to listen to them on NSAIDS?

From the article:
It really can't be zero, but I'm guessing it was a rounding issue so it is likely < 1 in 200,000.

In CA, the number of people < 18 dying is zero.

Re ibuprofen: tons of anecdotal evidence on twitter last month from doctors and hospital staff. Check it out.


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I appreciate your response.

I cited an article, he labeled it "my analysis." WTF

He wanted to compare deaths in Nordic countries to prove a point. Apples-to-apples, except it is not apples-to-apples. A simple understanding of how the countries collect their data would show that they are not apples-to-apples. And you label me "arrogant" for addressing the issue?

And I was the one who acknowledged we are way too early in the game to assess to winners and losers. Yet he was asserting quite clearly that Sweden is "sacrificing lives", really.

I don't know why you seem to have an axe to grind. Maybe it was my comment earlier how you might not be able to write freely, I don't really know.

You spoke your peace and I gave you my response. I'll leave it at that.