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06-15-2011 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
People create "freshly made programs" everyday that virus protections can detect, because of what they are trying to do in your system.
my gosh.
no, virus protection doesnt work that way.
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06-15-2011 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
People create "freshly made programs" everyday that virus protections can detect, because of what they are trying to do in your system.

I'm not saying its not possible, everything is hackable. Its just not everyone is going to "easily" get their wallet stolen like he was saying.
This is just so lame he has no money or bitcoins to wager with. Otherwise it would be worth my while to prove him wrong.

I have a hard time believing anyone can be this dumb, so it's most likely trolling. But then again, he probably is that dumb.
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06-15-2011 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
Maybe when you would stop talking like you know what the hell your talking about when you don't even understand the very basic concept on how bitcoin works.
then please enlighten us.
are there actual bitcoin entities in the bitcoin network? are the entities transferred from one account to the next or does a transfer only acange account balances?
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06-15-2011 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
People create "freshly made programs" everyday that virus protections can detect, because of what they are trying to do in your system.

I'm not saying its not possible, everything is hackable. Its just not everyone is going to "easily" get their wallet stolen like he was saying.
A trojan designed to steal your wallet.dat isn't going to trigger heuristic detection.

Heuristics looks for triggers like obfustication, replication and filesystem overwrites. This is what viruses commonly do to infect your system. A trojan designed for bitcoin stealing will emulate a legitimate and useful program and will not be triggered by AV.

This is going to be a VERY big problem going forward.
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06-15-2011 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by e306
my gosh.
no, virus protection doesnt work that way.
You don't even understand the basic concepts behind how bitcoin works, how the hell can you make this statement?

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Originally Posted by e306
then please enlighten us.
are there actual bitcoin entities in the bitcoin network? are the entities transferred from one account to the next or does a transfer only acange account balances?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

Why don't you actually read about bitcoin before asking questions and better yet trying to act like you know everything about it.
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06-15-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
A trojan designed to steal your wallet.dat isn't going to trigger heuristic detection.

Heuristics looks for triggers like obfustication, replication and filesystem overwrites. This is what viruses commonly do to infect your system. A trojan designed for bitcoin stealing will emulate a legitimate and useful program and will not be triggered by AV.

This is going to be a VERY big problem going forward.
Um, ever wonder why virus protections perform updates?
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06-15-2011 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
Um, ever wonder why virus protections perform updates?
I know exactly why. Maybe you should explain it. Your theory would make it seem like they would never need to perform updates since they could figure out anytime anyone was doing something bad.
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06-15-2011 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
A trojan designed to steal your wallet.dat isn't going to trigger heuristic detection.

Heuristics looks for triggers like obfustication, replication and filesystem overwrites. This is what viruses commonly do to infect your system. A trojan designed for bitcoin stealing will emulate a legitimate and useful program and will not be triggered by AV.

This is going to be a VERY big problem going forward.
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
I know exactly why. Maybe you should explain it. Your theory would make it seem like they would never need to perform updates since they could figure out anytime anyone was doing something bad.
Heuristic Detection is an effective way to locate unknown threats for the most up-to-date realtime protection, but there are downsides.
Obviously this sort of scanning and analysis can take some time, which may slow-down system performance.

The main concern with heuristic detection is that it often increases false positives. False positives are when the antivirus software determines a file is malicious (and quarantines or deletes it) when in reality it is perfectly fine and/or desired. Because some files may look like viruses but really aren’t, they are restricted and stopped from working on your computer.

Is Heuristic Detection Worth It?

Security professionals have come a long way with heuristic detection, and are still working to find the perfect balance that provides proactive protection without causing the hassle of false positives. They have also made the processes much faster by utilizing computer resources more effectively and utilizing better scanning technology.

We expect heuristic detection to continue to be dynamic and improve in speed, efficiency, and efficacy. For now, it is a good idea to utilize a security solution that includes heuristic detection methods. If you find they get in the way, you can usually turn them off anyways. But for utmost protection and truly proactive prevention, heuristic antivirus detection is definitely the way to go.

And now you know.
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06-15-2011 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

Why don't you actually read about bitcoin before asking questions and better yet trying to act like you know everything about it.
can you please point me to the part that proves that i am wrong?
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06-15-2011 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
I know exactly why. Maybe you should explain it. Your theory would make it seem like they would never need to perform updates since they could figure out anytime anyone was doing something bad.
No.

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Originally Posted by e306
can you please point me to the part that proves that i am wrong?
Wrong about what? You asked a question, I answered it, and then gave you a resource link.

Don't expect everyone to baby spoon you information.
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06-15-2011 , 06:59 PM
no, i made a statement before you came online today and you told me that i am wrong. and after reading all relevant parts of the wikipedia article, i still think that i'm right.
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06-15-2011 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
Heuristic Detection is an effective way to locate unknown threats for the most up-to-date realtime protection, but there are downsides.
Obviously this sort of scanning and analysis can take some time, which may slow-down system performance.

The main concern with heuristic detection is that it often increases false positives. False positives are when the antivirus software determines a file is malicious (and quarantines or deletes it) when in reality it is perfectly fine and/or desired. Because some files may look like viruses but really aren’t, they are restricted and stopped from working on your computer.

Is Heuristic Detection Worth It?

Security professionals have come a long way with heuristic detection, and are still working to find the perfect balance that provides proactive protection without causing the hassle of false positives. They have also made the processes much faster by utilizing computer resources more effectively and utilizing better scanning technology.

We expect heuristic detection to continue to be dynamic and improve in speed, efficiency, and efficacy. For now, it is a good idea to utilize a security solution that includes heuristic detection methods. If you find they get in the way, you can usually turn them off anyways. But for utmost protection and truly proactive prevention, heuristic antivirus detection is definitely the way to go.

And now you know.
I still don't get it. What is the detection looking for in files?

How does this stop a bitcoin trojan from doing exactly what I outlined?

What virus scanner do you use to secure your bitcoin wallet?
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06-15-2011 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by e306
no, i made a statement before you came online today and you told me that i am wrong. and after reading all relevant parts of the wikipedia article, i still think that i'm right.
Right about what? Why are you trailing off subject again?
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06-15-2011 , 07:06 PM
Icy,

what is the biggest flaw BTC has?
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06-15-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Freakin
I still don't get it. What is the detection looking for in files?

How does this stop a bitcoin trojan from doing exactly what I outlined?

What virus scanner do you use to secure your bitcoin wallet?
I don't understand why your asking me this, your acting like I said its impossible to get your wallet stolen, which I didn't.
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06-15-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
Right about what? Why are you trailing off subject again?
right about the question whether ot not bitcoins-entities exist in the bitcoin network, which are moved in case of a transfer.
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06-15-2011 , 07:08 PM
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06-15-2011 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Icy,

what is the biggest flaw BTC has?
The difficulty in most people understanding how Bitcoins work. I think that can be agreed upon, but that is just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by e306
right about the question whether ot not bitcoins-entities exist in the bitcoin network, which are moved in case of a transfer.
I only saw you ask a question about this, never did I see you make a statement. So I'm unclear to what your getting at now, just tell me what you said exactly, I could have missed it.
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06-15-2011 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by e306
are the coins actual entities that can be "marked"?

as far as i understood this, there are no coins flowing around. a transfer only changes two account-balances. (but i might be wrong - can someone please confirm this?)
THIS post. the question is of course rethorical to show my disagreement with the previous post.

so are there any bitcoin-entities that are moved from account A to B in case of a transfer or is a transfer just a change in account balances?
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06-15-2011 , 07:33 PM
I can't post on the Bitcoin forums, so I made a thread on reddit if anyone wants to discuss bitcoin DROs: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...underers_from/
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06-15-2011 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gehrig
I can't post on the Bitcoin forums, so I made a thread on reddit if anyone wants to discuss bitcoin DROs: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...underers_from/
sorry, but that's ******ed. I can mark coins as 'theft' after a random transaction just to cause problems, or for the lulz.

Nobody in their right mind is going to discriminate between coins, and they shouldn't. Coins will be mixed soon after being stolen, such is life. Coins are fungible.

secure your wallet, people will eventually learn this.
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06-15-2011 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy-
The difficulty in most people understanding how Bitcoins work. I think that can be agreed upon, but that is just my opinion.
Ok, you are definitely stupid. You dont even acknowledge the fact that there are safety issues, something even the developers of BTC acknowledge.
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06-15-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fizzwont
sorry, but that's ******ed. I can mark coins as 'theft' after a random transaction just to cause problems, or for the lulz.
If you can't provide credibility, then nobody cares
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06-15-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gehrig
If you can't provide credibility, then nobody cares
and how do you propose to mark claims credible or not ?
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06-15-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Ok, you are definitely stupid. You dont even acknowledge the fact that there are safety issues, something even the developers of BTC acknowledge.
You asked me a question based off of opinion: what is the biggest flaw BTC has?

I answered with my opinion on the matter. I know how to protect myself from most flaws as many many others do, its not so much important to me as it may be to someone else.

I rather focus on educating people about bitcoin so they can do the same.
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