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09-14-2023 , 09:56 AM
Axiom of Resistance-an assumption that it is possible for a system to resist state control.

Eric Voskuil author cryptoeconomics coined the axiom of resistance which suggests Bitcoin's utility is found in its censorship resistance.

In Security Budget pt. 1 and Security Budget pt. 2 Paul Sztorc details and explains Bitcoin's security budget. I find one of his references easier to understand/read. The idea is you can control the ledger by controlling an amount of mining capital related to the total fees + block rewards or mining revenue (correct my language please!):
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Proof-of-work provides security by making attacks expensive. Miners are spending a lot of money mining (and competing to produce maximum hash rate per dollar) so attackers will have to spend a lot to attack. So the total amount being spent ultimately determines the cost to attack.

Since the total amount being spent by miners is capped by their revenue (they need to profit) the total miner revenue is really the thing that sets the security level. This is why I’ve been calling miner revenue the “security budget” (SB).

The added idea that the more valuable the network the less security an all-things-equal security budget (aka miner revenue) would provide:
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So then the best picture of security is total miner revenue?

I think there’s something better…

I’ve been arguing that the cost to attack a network (like Bitcoin) should scale with the value of the network — that networks must maintain some “security factor” (SF is defined as attack_cost / network_value).

The purpose of the formalization is to point out an uncertainty in the fee pressure with respect to the profits/revenue needed to drive the cost to attack above the necessary security threshold (whatever that threshold may be):

So, current Bitcoin SF is ~4%, and based on the data we are heading for a low of ~1% sometime after 2030…

Is this bad? Is 1% good enough?

No one knows! All we know for sure is that previous SF levels of ~4% and higher have been adequate. Maybe 1% will be fine, maybe it won’t.

This uncertainty is exactly why I think it’s so dangerous to rely on the fee-market for fundamental security. Nobody knows what the fee-market is going to do. It is external to the protocol, driven by user-side demand, and we can’t control it.

One thing to note from Paul’s explanation:
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First, whether P is priced in sats or USD, makes no difference whatsoever. Only the purchasing power of money matters – and that PP is exactly the same, be it written down in BTC or USD.
It's a little tricking traversing all of the math/formulas depending on your knowledge of the system, but its units of capital that need to be paid to the miners. Purchasing power units. (in the future they are called Nash's!). So the problem of the security budget points out we have a predetermined halvening of the block rewards with no formal reason (nor intuitive in their eyes!) to expect the fee market will make up for them and bitcoin's price going to the moon can possibly or allegedly make the problem worse not better.
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09-14-2023 , 01:23 PM
And is it forgivable that I saw a connection here so many years ago?



There is an amazing insight here to be levated.
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09-14-2023 , 08:16 PM
Big brains seeing it, and Satoshi implementing it. That's deep-dive bitcoin history right there.
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09-14-2023 , 11:37 PM
There's a good article at KrebsOnSecurity about LastPass users who stored their seed phrases inside their LastPass vault. Security researchers are finding commonalities in LastPass users who had their crypto stolen. It even has a victim explaining how he lost $3.4 million.

KrebsOnSecurity - Experts Fear Crooks are Cracking Keys Stolen in LastPass Breach
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09-14-2023 , 11:57 PM
thanks for sharing jbouton. That was interesting, well researched, and well presented.
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09-17-2023 , 10:27 AM
Governments create inflation - what a novel discovery.

Inflation is the creation of money out of thin air - let's fight that by creating our own money out of thin air, impose arbitrary scarcity, then hope the idea catches on so we can greater-fool our early investment into a nice profit.

Rinse-repeat.
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09-17-2023 , 11:13 AM
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Governments create inflation - what a novel discovery.
No sure what ur sentiments are here... its a given axiom we agree on right?


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Inflation is the creation of money out of thin air -
Where do you get this notion?

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let's fight that by creating our own money out of thin air, impose arbitrary scarcity, then hope the idea catches on so we can greater-fool our early investment into a nice profit.

Rinse-repeat.
This was toothsayer strawman. This is isn't our proposal at all, which are you speaking to?
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09-17-2023 , 12:41 PM
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Governments create inflation - what a novel discovery.

Inflation is the creation of money out of thin air - let's fight that by creating our own money out of thin air, impose arbitrary scarcity, then hope the idea catches on so we can greater-fool our early investment into a nice profit.

Rinse-repeat.
Just creating a money will not give it value. What Satoshi created was a system, which led to creation of a network. If that system and network is perceived to have utility, in present or future, there will be demand to use it. To use it, you have to buy the coin, and this gives the coin value, determined by supply and demand at the margin, just like any other good. Others have copied and modified the system, and created additional value. The market cap of the various coins could be considered a reflection of the relative values of the systems, as perceived by the users.

Fiat money does provide value, by being one way to avoid the problems of direct barter. But increasing the supply of it does not provide additional value once enough of it exists.
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09-17-2023 , 01:43 PM
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...But increasing the supply of it does not provide additional value once enough of it exists.
Hey look the poker players are talking about the nature of money...


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On the other hand (from the case of “revolutionary” changes) there is often the possibility that a system of money may gradually improve in quality, either through somewhat accidental circumstances (like a very favorable trade balance) or through the learning of good teachings of applicable varieties.

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M. Friedman acquired fame through teaching the linkage between the supply of money and, effectively, its value. In retrospect it seems as if elementary, but Friedman was as if a teacher who re-taught to American economists the classical concept of the “law of supply and demand”, this in connection with money.
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Evolutionary Changes and Relevant Teachings

On the other hand (from the case of “revolutionary” changes) there is often the possibility that a system of money may gradually improve in quality, either through somewhat accidental circumstances (like a very favorable trade balance) or through the learning of good teachings of applicable varieties.

A series of American economists have been notable through their contrib-utions which have enhanced the understanding of how systems of money actually function and particularly of how the dollar (US) and its value have been interacting with the relevant factors of influence. There has always been some “populist” thinking in the USA which can encourage ideas about money that are not well based in any scientific sense. And the teachings of some of the notable economists have sometimes given a more scientific perspective on the areas where the “populist” viewpoints have been influential.

M. Friedman acquired fame through teaching the linkage between the supply of money and, effectively, its value. In retrospect it seems as if elementary, but Friedman was as if a teacher who re-taught to American economists the classical concept of the “law of supply and demand”, this in connection with money.

We can also note at this point that the understanding of the effects of the uncontrolled behavior of all the various “users” of a domestic money is the inclusive category of description into which the notable contributions of a series of American economic scholars can be recognized.

F. Kydland, R. Lucas, E. Phelps, and E. Prescott are notable American economists who have contributed to the better understanding of issues arising in the area of theories of “macro-economics”. Without arguing for a direct constitutional reform of the status quo of the dollar in the USA, they have contributed much enlightenment in relation to the interactions between intell- igent categories of the “users” of currencies (or in particular the dollar) and “the central authorities” (of central bank, treasury, state institutions, executive and legislative government). The evolving recognition of the fact that the “users” of a currency become like players in a game and have optional strategies by means of which they will be able to seek to optimize according to their own particular economic interests leads to the recognition that the tasks of central planners and managers, of a state, are not as simple as if they had only to herd flocks of sheep.

Thus the “users”, like the managers, can be viewed as players in inter- active games. In particular, with this perspective, it is natural to think of the users as having “expectations” in relation to the future value of the domestic currency, compared either with real assets, foreign currencies, or indices of costs. These expectations may or may not be “well-founded” or “rational” but they will inevitably guide or influence the choices made by the “users”.


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...evolving recognition of the fact that the “users” of a currency become like players in a game and have optional strategies by means of which they will be able to seek to optimize according to their own particular economic interests leads to the recognition that the tasks of central planners and managers, of a state, are not as simple as if they had only to herd flocks of sheep.
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09-17-2023 , 06:16 PM
I just mean that once money exists as a thing, thus having abated the inconveniences of direct exchange, having more of that money doesn't solve that particular problem any further.
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09-18-2023 , 03:55 AM
I'm getting an error message when trying to send BTC from blockchain to another address. It just keeps saying "transaction has failed - please try again". I've never encountered this before. Any idea what's happening here? Could it be a temporary problem on the site's end?
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09-19-2023 , 01:16 AM
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I just mean that once money exists as a thing, thus having abated the inconveniences of direct exchange, having more of that money doesn't solve that particular problem any further.
That is the austrian view. It differentiates between a change in prices that is not from excess money over and above the line you allude to and changes in prices from natural supply and demand forces.

So that you can have a general increase in prices but its not called inflation because it wasn't from an increase in the money supply but perhaps for example a global natural disaster.

This is why Milton Friedman said:

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“Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon, in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output.”
Its a definition.

When Nash refers to his proposal for Ideal Money, the scenario he proposes means to force central banks to the line TimM outlines. Thats ideal.
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09-20-2023 , 07:01 PM
My army is going to stop the war: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/...an-orientation



That was Michael Finney I think with help from Shinobi and Mark from Bitcoin Magazine print.

<spoiler: rfk isn't involved this article except the comparison of the Nashian Orientation to RFK's description of the significance of bitcoin>

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"The ICPI concept was used by Nash to illuminate a vector of quality for money we can dub ‘Idealness'. The asymptotically 'ideal' nature of Bitcoin derives from the apolitical and invariant nature of the cost to produce a valid block. Bitcoin is asymptotically (rather than perfectly) ideal because it (self-)adjusts the cost to produce blocks (aka difficulty) to the previous period's mining computational expenditure and it is invariant in that the adjustment is pre-defined (constitutionally) at Genesis and locked in as such by the ever-increasing entropy of the totality of each of the network participant's utility functions...

the first paragraph is a technical explanation of the nashian orientation of Bitcoin. The cliffs, or tldr that I discovered in Nash's work:

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Any major currency that (constitutionally) pegs to Bitcoin thus necessarily inherits the benefits of this quality of idealness.
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