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04-11-2013 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt Probability
Calamities and I are booked for the following....

Calamities is buying $510 in btc right now. If I win the bet I will get those btc, whatever the value is.

If Calamities wins the bet he wins $2,100 from me.

Both sides will escrow.

My side is: the price of btc on Gox will NOT fall below $50 for more than 2 hours before May 11th.

Calamities side is: the price of btc WILL fall below $50 for more than 2 hours before May 11th.
I like Calamities side. We are most likely retesting the $105 support line today.
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04-11-2013 , 06:18 AM
lol really?
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04-11-2013 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TimM
If someone comes out with a coin that is pretty much the same as bitcoin but a little better in some way, bitcoin itself could adopt the improvement.
That assumes that the improvement is done in a way that Bitcoin could adopt without rolling everything back to ground zero. That is not a given.
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04-11-2013 , 08:39 AM
lolz



from: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...hold_spartans/

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I JUST WANT TO BUY SOME ****ING DRUGS!

Goddamn investors are screwing this all up.
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04-11-2013 , 09:38 AM
looks like its about to hit 100 again
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04-11-2013 , 09:41 AM
Appears to be down to 120 or so.
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04-11-2013 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
What you see as "strong fundamentals" most people see as the primary reason why Bitcoin will get shut down by the government if it gains any sort of popularity. Governments work slowly and have a high threshold for action and Bitcoin is still a nobody. It took online poker several years to build up into a multi-billion dollar business before people in power decided to do something about it, at which point they shut it down virtually overnight. 95% effective in a span of 1 day.

Currency is highly regulated and there are very strict disclosure rules/etc. This is why it is so hard for drug dealers to launder their profits and it is only becoming harder. I think I read somewhere that the Latin American cartels lose about 15-20% of every dollar to make it legit. And this is with massive economies of scale. It is very hard to hide money because ultimately money is used for real, visible things. The government doesn't need to track the money. They track the real, visible things and then the red flags go up when a person with 0 income buys a 1M house. Bitcoin is not special.

To address your points:
  • there has always been a safeharbor for sh*t countries and sh*t currencies. The rich people in Zimbabwe put their money into USD, EU, Gold, and physical assets. They don't need Bitcoin and never did. Would you put your money in a currency where 1 day you can buy 2 cars, and the next day you can buy 1 car? Because that describes Bitcoin and it is worse than the worse currency out there. Your money is better off in a Cyprus bank where they only take a 10% cut.
  • Last I checked, only crappy high-margin retailers accepted Bitcoin, mostly as a promotional gimmick. I don't see this convenience that you're seeing. Intermediaries that let you buy stuff from regular retailers still cost money and they can be shut down and jailed under some money laundering laws. That's my guess.
  • You're almost talking about laundering money here. Sure, it work on the low end. It is easy to hide $100, $1000, or even $10,000 from government oversight. It doesn't matter if it's USD or Bitcoin. Those are small amounts that don't draw attention. But the more money is involved, the exponentially harder it becomes to avoid scrutiny. The very thing that describes Bitcoin success is what will be Bitcoin's downfall.
Best post ITT, ignore at your peril.
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04-11-2013 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rikers
Favorite Comment: "Just like Sparta, you are going from 300 to 1 real quick."
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04-11-2013 , 09:55 AM
One thing people don't understand about widespread adoption is that big companies (lets talk amazon since that seems to be the one people mostly want to see bitcoin on) will almost never allow the acceptance of bitcoin, so long as it is associated with online drugs. In most of these mainstream articles explaining bitcoin, there is always things mentioned about online drug dealers. Seeing a bar in NYC accept it is great, and I plan to go there at some point just to see how many people actually use it and etc, but to realistically expect major online retailers or B&M ones is crazy. They will not let their brands be associated to something that will appear negatively to the masses, when there is little upside for them to accept it.
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04-11-2013 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RaineTech
One thing people don't understand about widespread adoption is that big companies (lets talk amazon since that seems to be the one people mostly want to see bitcoin on) will almost never allow the acceptance of bitcoin, so long as it is associated with online drugs. In most of these mainstream articles explaining bitcoin, there is always things mentioned about online drug dealers. Seeing a bar in NYC accept it is great, and I plan to go there at some point just to see how many people actually use it and etc, but to realistically expect major online retailers or B&M ones is crazy. They will not let their brands be associated to something that will appear negatively to the masses, when there is little upside for them to accept it.
Which is pretty weird logic, since my $20 bill can be used for drugs too. But I see what you're saying.
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04-11-2013 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Which is pretty weird logic, since my $20 bill can be used for drugs too. But I see what you're saying.
It's true but nobody associates the USD with being able to buy drugs, even if you can. When forbes or whoever publishes an article about bitcoin though, they very frequently mention that it is commonly used to buy drugs online.
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04-11-2013 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RaineTech
One thing people don't understand about widespread adoption is that big companies (lets talk amazon since that seems to be the one people mostly want to see bitcoin on) will almost never allow the acceptance of bitcoin, so long as it is associated with online drugs. In most of these mainstream articles explaining bitcoin, there is always things mentioned about online drug dealers. Seeing a bar in NYC accept it is great, and I plan to go there at some point just to see how many people actually use it and etc, but to realistically expect major online retailers or B&M ones is crazy. They will not let their brands be associated to something that will appear negatively to the masses, when there is little upside for them to accept it.
Retailers can accept it because they have no risk in accepting it. The big ones have such solid reputations, it would do more to help Bitcoin than harm themselves and immediately disarm the "only used to buy drugs" argument.
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04-11-2013 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Retailers can accept it because they have no risk in accepting it.
Yesterday's volitility wasn't an example of risk?
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04-11-2013 , 10:52 AM
the retailer will be paid in their currency of choice at time of purchase
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04-11-2013 , 11:02 AM
here we go... 70 on btc-e

mtgox trading suspended until tomorow
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04-11-2013 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
here we go... 70 on btc-e

mtgox trading suspended until tomorow
Interesting. People with BTC on MTGox could be very displeased about that. I think it's a poor decision, although I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
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04-11-2013 , 11:10 AM
People with btc on gox can move them to another site to sell. People with $ on gox might have a harder time moving them to another site to buy btc.
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04-11-2013 , 11:17 AM
Anyone thinking large retailers will accept bitcoin are completely delusional.

I cannot believe so many people are putting money into something without a basic understanding of economics.
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04-11-2013 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoe
Don't get me wrong, I wish the USD was more deflationary than it is now, but the extreme hyper-deflation of bitcoin makes it impractical as a currency, and history has proven this time over time again. I really do want a currency like BTC to succeed.
The USD is 3-5% inflationary. Bitcoin eventually will be 0-1% inflationary. How can there be that much of a difference?
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04-11-2013 , 11:24 AM
dc_publius made a post that i mostly agree with, except for the conclusion. yes, if government quashes it, the price is basically 0 -- we both agree there. but it is unclear to me that the govt can. there are more govts than just usa too.

today most ppl myself included lost their ass if they had a position in btc, its a rocky road. btc could be 0 tomorrow, so be it. i stand by my bets win or lose.

Last edited by Alex Wice; 04-11-2013 at 11:32 AM.
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04-11-2013 , 11:31 AM
60..
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04-11-2013 , 11:38 AM
reading newest submissions on the bitcoin subreddit during this is amazing btw
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04-11-2013 , 11:49 AM
I would love to see BitCoin or something like it really take off.

You'll know they have really made it when governments begin trying to shut it down.

They'll attempt to do so under the guise of protecting us from big bad terrorists, drug dealers, and child predators.
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04-11-2013 , 11:51 AM
Thats going a little far. They were clearly not ready for the massive amount of scaling that they required so are probably taking the day to get their infrastructure in place. Yes, it is a terrible and arguably unethical way to accomplish the scaling, but it does make sense in an unregulated free market way.
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04-11-2013 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice
dc_publius made a post that i mostly agree with, except for the conclusion. yes, if government quashes it, the price is basically 0 -- we both agree there. but it is unclear to me that the govt can. there are more govts than just usa too.

today most ppl myself included lost their ass if they had a position in btc, its a rocky road. btc could be 0 tomorrow, so be it. i stand by my bets win or lose.

right, there are many govs that need to ban it. but even if they do there are ways to get money on their untraceable (see bitlaundry).

The point is it will never be 0. It can easily drop to close to zero but it will always have some value.
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