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04-09-2021 , 09:19 AM
Interesting to see on top 100richest bitcoin addresses. Addresses 120 and 123-190 are probably owned by the same person. Some massive whale has been buying Bitcoin since 12/4/2018 all the way until today. Roughly 56 ins. That means they've probably been buying Bitcoins twice a month. Just a guess, but pretty crazy to see. You would already have to be extremely wealthy to do this, but still. Wow. 8,000 Bitcoins in each address.
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04-09-2021 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Tooth is going to be back in this thread soon trolling everyone can't wait
Same, can't wait. His brag posts about shorting @ 44k are peak delusion and peak comedy. According to one of his latest posts, the position is still open and massively underwater
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04-09-2021 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Same, can't wait. His brag posts about shorting @ 44k are peak delusion and peak comedy. According to one of his latest posts, the position is still open and massively underwater
I thought he closed it at 43,5 for yuge gainz
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04-09-2021 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
I thought he closed it at 43,5 for yuge gainz
Inviolable record of 6% paper gains despite 43.5k being -1% from 44k.

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
There's literally an inviolable record of me making 6% fully closed out on my paper bitcoin trade.
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04-09-2021 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
re short squeeze: this honestly seems self explanatory



much like how most of the bull runs coincide with increased volume as more buying pressure than selling pressure raises the cost, if we were to approach universal adoption, the amount of buying pressure would go up infinitely

99% of the population doesn't own bitcoin. For them to start buying, let's say a situation where it became the only way to buy stocks or real estate etc etc, it'll create an absurd buy pressure

i also don't buy the notion that all those hodlers will suddenly start selling at 100k or 250k etc, just look at how shuffle is repeatedly ridiculed for making a very profitable trade by selling at 37k

housenuts, do you have any genuine plans to sell any time in the near future at any price? Does anyone here have sell orders in place in the event it hits a certain number? Not long ago there was a discussion here where people were talking about putting 80% to 100% of net worth into bitcoin.

mass adoption is every holders dream, everyone here is buying and holding when it's purely speculative, there's no way you guys are going to start selling once you know it's now a genuine thing and you'll just be watching the price skyrocket with glee

this is the great paradox of bitcoin, it's greatest bull case is the very thing that will prevent it from occuring because everyone not holding btc which is the 99.99% of the world is not going to go down that path

this isn't to say I don't see a big future ahead or anything, but if the world collectively decides we're all going to ape into a decentralized crypto currency, it'll be something newly created and distributed in a manner that preserves the status quo. you guys should read up on how the EU transitioned to the Euro or countries like ecuador that abandoned their own currency due to collapse switched to the dollar instead - there's always some who suffer or benefit a bit in the transition, but by and large they ensure there's no bagholders nor kingmakers made in the process - this is why btc and all other cryptos are capped to an investment tool, any future currencies would be newly minted and distributed rather than adopting one, the only future where btc is king is mad max
If you want to call that a short squeeze, sure, a lot of shorts will be squeezed in such a scenario. In my view it's just another instance of what has happened several times in Bitcoin's history already, when there is high demand there is not enough supply to support it at the current price level, so price goes up. Since there's inertia in the market, no clear pricing mechanism, and price and trading volume being positively correlated with utility, those time periods usually result in a "bubble" and a drawn out price discovery. I would imagine there would have to be a series of such cycles before Bitcoin could be the sole reserve asset of the world.

Some hodlers will hold out longer than others, before selling some of their assets. But just look in this thread, the last few months both aggo and onemoretimes sold a decent portion of their holdings. They both still hold large positions, and believe the long term future is bullish, but wanted to secure their future. There are probably others who have done the same thing, but haven't posted about it.

Once again, Bitcoin will not be adopted as world reserve currency overnight. If it happens, it will be preceded by it being individually adopted by people, companies, institutions, not collectively decided before it is already widely regarded as the safe haven asset.

Btw, I think at least 1 % of the worlds population already own bitcoin, not 0.01 %.
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04-09-2021 , 02:38 PM
matt, the buy pressure compared to btc available for purchase would be 100x+ more than what happened with vw or gme, instead of speculators it'd be population en masse trying to buy from a group infamous for refusing to sell whereas gme and vw holders were all just trying to time a good point to sell rather than hold indefinitely

there are 64 million wallets, many of which are dead, forgotten, empty etc, personally have 2 right now and at least 2 more that i can remember creating back in 2008 when it was a fun thing for me like folding proteins

sure there's the stuff like grayscale but again, if btc is to be currency then you'd still need to sell that and then buy the actual coin itself

7.6 billion people so 1% of people directly holding coins is plausible but unlikely, either way, if you needed to buy btc it'd cause a global rush including current owners who'd be doubling down as well so whether it's 1% or .1% doesn't change much for buying pressure

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04-09-2021 , 03:13 PM
How does Shuffle go from predicting an oncoming dystopian nightmare where bitcoin will be worth literally everything to then arguing it's worthless because he can't use it to buy something from Starbucks?

I like the guy but man is he inconsistent.
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04-09-2021 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
matt, the buy pressure compared to btc available for purchase would be 100x+ more than what happened with vw or gme, instead of speculators it'd be population en masse trying to buy from a group infamous for refusing to sell whereas gme and vw holders were all just trying to time a good point to sell rather than hold indefinitely

there are 64 million wallets, many of which are dead, forgotten, empty etc, personally have 2 right now and at least 2 more that i can remember creating back in 2008 when it was a fun thing for me like folding proteins

sure there's the stuff like grayscale but again, if btc is to be currency then you'd still need to sell that and then buy the actual coin itself

7.6 billion people so 1% of people directly holding coins is plausible but unlikely, either way, if you needed to buy btc it'd cause a global rush including current owners who'd be doubling down as well so whether it's 1% or .1% doesn't change much for buying pressure
Well at least 900 some Bitcoins are mined a day so perhaps Bitcoin adoption has to happen before all the coins are mined. You can't buy those 900 Bitcoins with more Bitcoins. You have to buy them with fiat.
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04-09-2021 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by inspectorgadget
How does Shuffle go from predicting an oncoming dystopian nightmare where bitcoin will be worth literally everything to then arguing it's worthless because he can't use it to buy something from Starbucks?
He sold.

There's a weird disease present on 2p2 where once you sell (real holdings or paper coins like Tooth) you go full retard with all subsequent deranged takes.

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04-09-2021 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
Interesting to see on top 100richest bitcoin addresses. Addresses 120 and 123-190 are probably owned by the same person. Some massive whale has been buying Bitcoin since 12/4/2018 all the way until today. Roughly 56 ins. That means they've probably been buying Bitcoins twice a month. Just a guess, but pretty crazy to see. You would already have to be extremely wealthy to do this, but still. Wow. 8,000 Bitcoins in each address.
Coinbase custody
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04-09-2021 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
The irony of the dumbest person in BFI saying this
Hot take considering I've been right about ~everything

Our only interaction was you saying 95% of bitcoiners get rugged immediately after buying which is one of the most ridiculous things ever said ITT

91% of bitcoin wallets are currently in profit btw
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04-09-2021 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
i also don't buy the notion that all those hodlers will suddenly start selling at 100k or 250k etc, just look at how shuffle is repeatedly ridiculed for making a very profitable trade by selling at 37k

housenuts, do you have any genuine plans to sell any time in the near future at any price? Does anyone here have sell orders in place in the event it hits a certain number? Not long ago there was a discussion here where people were talking about putting 80% to 100% of net worth into bitcoin
No
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04-09-2021 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
there are 64 million wallets, many of which are dead, forgotten, empty etc, personally have 2 right now and at least 2 more that i can remember creating back in 2008 when it was a fun thing for me like folding proteins
Watttt
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04-09-2021 , 06:44 PM
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Watttt
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04-09-2021 , 07:06 PM
nice one johnny

ha, must have been 2009 then, knew it was when i was living in the apartment i had during the 2008 olympics and I only lived there for a year - seems like btc was around longer than that, all i know is the olympics were when i began transitioning from poker to tech and a lot of companies i was consulting with were adding code to their websites to hijack their visitors unused cpu cycles to mine btc and that's how I learned all about it

was into the whole concept of using unused cpu cycles so had my laptop mine in the background as well as fold proteins with folding@home

laptop died sometime in 2009 and tossed it and never setup btc mining on the new one, honestly couldn't tell you if i had any coins as I never paid any attention nor checked since it was worthless at the time but imagine it's possible i had some that would be worth a decent amount today since I did join a pool - sadly folding at home won out for my unused cpu cycle interest, it's still my email signature to this day , kind of leave it up as a tattoo of regret
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04-09-2021 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Iknownothing
Coinbase custody
How did you figure that out?


Is it possible to setup mining for smaller coins? Was thinking of setting up a mining rig in my basement or possibly using my old semi-broken laptop to mine some smaller coins that will likely go nowhere, but possibly go big.

If anyone is looking for good centralized exchanges to trade Bitcoin in the USA I built a list awhile back:

CoinbasePro - 0.5% sell / 0.5% buy
Kraken - 0-0.26%
Gemini - .5%+
BinanceUs - 0.1% sell / 0.1% buy
Coinmama logo - 5%
LocalBitcoins - 1%
Bitstamp - .5%
eToro - .75% -5%
Bittrex - 0.2% sell / 0.2% buy
Bisq - 0.05% sell / 0.35% buy
KuCoin - 0.1% sell / 0.1% buy

As you can see BinanceUs and KuCoin are the best. BinanceUs doesn’t have many alts so I’m pretty bullish on KuCoin. Although the recent coin pump seems like it could have just been a pump by the exchange so I am a bit weary even though I’m already in the green and have a positive look on its future. Binance has about 40x the volume of KuCoin, but I bet the most financially savvy use KuCoin because of it’s low fees. KuCoin should safely be 1.4 billion in comparison to Binance Volume, but a bunch of US people will likely go to it since the good Binance is off limits. I’m only guessing here, but my assumption is majority of Bitcoin trading happens in the USA and China.

If that Uniswap thingy can make trading cheaper decentralized exchanges could become bigger, but I think we are quite a ways away from that happening.
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04-09-2021 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
How did you figure that out?


Is it possible to setup mining for smaller coins? Was thinking of setting up a mining rig in my basement or possibly using my old semi-broken laptop to mine some smaller coins that will likely go nowhere, but possibly go big.

If anyone is looking for good centralized exchanges to trade Bitcoin in the USA I built a list awhile back:

CoinbasePro - 0.5% sell / 0.5% buy
Kraken - 0-0.26%
Gemini - .5%+
BinanceUs - 0.1% sell / 0.1% buy
Coinmama logo - 5%
LocalBitcoins - 1%
Bitstamp - .5%
eToro - .75% -5%
Bittrex - 0.2% sell / 0.2% buy
Bisq - 0.05% sell / 0.35% buy
KuCoin - 0.1% sell / 0.1% buy

As you can see BinanceUs and KuCoin are the best. BinanceUs doesn’t have many alts so I’m pretty bullish on KuCoin. Although the recent coin pump seems like it could have just been a pump by the exchange so I am a bit weary even though I’m already in the green and have a positive look on its future. Binance has about 40x the volume of KuCoin, but I bet the most financially savvy use KuCoin because of it’s low fees. KuCoin should safely be 1.4 billion in comparison to Binance Volume, but a bunch of US people will likely go to it since the good Binance is off limits. I’m only guessing here, but my assumption is majority of Bitcoin trading happens in the USA and China.

If that Uniswap thingy can make trading cheaper decentralized exchanges could become bigger, but I think we are quite a ways away from that happening.
how do you leave FTX.us off this list?
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04-09-2021 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I'm not being alarmist. That puts you at odds with all of the other anti-fiat posters in this thread, some of them OGs.
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There isn't an apparent financial crisis or economic collapse right now. You'd be surprised what lawmakers do when it's 1933.
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Perhaps you should ask several of the other longtime posters in this thread what they mean when they say all fiat goes to zero.

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Have to spell this out real slow for people like aggo

You're not looking for omg hyperinflation tomorrow. You're looking for:

[x] lots of sneaky finance-based wealth redistribution from poor and middle class to wealthy
[x] lots and lots of poors
[x] lots of high velocity money printing to the poors so they don't pitchfork and torch

[...?...] higher inflation

[x] government says higher inflation is good for ... reasons

[ ] inflation gets too high, poors want to pitchfork and torch
[ ] monetary response to fight inflation
[ ] the biggest financial market crash of your lifetime
[ ] rich want to pitchfork and torch
[ ] lots and lots of money printing to make rich people money go right back up
[ ] lots and lots more inflation
[ ] government says it's temporary
[ ] poors want to pitchfork and torch again
[ ] monetary response to fight inflation
[ ] the new biggest financial market crash of your lifetime
[ ] rich want to pitchfork and torch again
[ ] almost infinite amounts of money printing to make rich people money go right back up again
[ ] high inflation starts to trend towards hyperinflation
[ ] poors don't want to pitchfork and torch again ... they are already pitchforking and torching by this point
[ ] the wealthy diversify everything they own into stores of value
[ ] the government lies about all inflation data
[ ] most monetary transactions move to black market (bitcoin)
[ ] hyperinflation
[ ] the guillotines are out
[ ] 1933
[ ] The Terror
[ ] The Nazis
[ ] The Hordes of Hell

That's when the government tries to ban black market currencies. Works against most people, but not the ride or dies.
With respect I got no clue how you can make posts like this and not be stacking more sats.... as well as physical gold bars and ****. You sold your bitcoin and you made posts like this. Maybe you didn't mean it was going to be worth "everything" but it sounds like from posts like these that owning it is going to be essential because in the future literally everything is going to hell.

You ****in sold lol
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04-09-2021 , 09:27 PM
Here's a quote from a coindesk article today:

"If greater adoption is the aim, then we might as well tell the truth about what that world would look like. The whole truth. “Uncensorability” means more freedom — and more terror. That’s the point.

That may be a world many would prefer not to live in. O’Leary showed, to some extent, that world is already here."

I mean, there it is. There are a lot of people who envision this sort of endgame--the endgame where there is more terror, but that's ok, because there's more freedom too! Thank god inflation and Fauci (govt can't pay his salary anymore) went away though! Finally free baby.
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04-09-2021 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
How did you figure that out?
Intuition/heuristics based on publicly available information from Coinbase.
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04-09-2021 , 10:31 PM
When I googled “FTX for USA” it said US is not allowed. I was unaware that they had an actual exchange too. I thought it was more of a long term futures thingy. Their fees look nice. Is it easy to use?

I don’t think making fun of Shuffle for selling around 30k is warranted. He may end up being right after all. The space is highly leveraged and that can really affect the volatility. I still don’t think selling at this level is optimal, but I think leveraging to buy more Bitcoin is worse because of the amount of risk you put on, even if you lend it. Maybe leveraging for an alt could make sense if you have reason to think it could boom. I’m still questioning whether it is worth the risk to even lend Bitcoins on Blockfi to earn interest. I have to be over 94% sure they won’t close shop this year and run off with my money to make it a profitable move.
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04-09-2021 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
I thought he closed it at 43,5 for yuge gainz
At first he claimed he closed his 44k short at 43.5k. Then he claimed he only closed the paper short but he still has his real short underwater and paying interest:

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Like I said I'll be back at $15K (which is also where I'll cover my real short - I already covered the paper/contest one for +6%).
Who knows though considering how often Tooth changes his narrative
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04-09-2021 , 11:31 PM
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When I googled “FTX for USA” it said US is not allowed.
But they have naming rights for Miami Heat arena for 10 years
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04-10-2021 , 12:21 AM
UMMMMMMMM
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04-10-2021 , 12:24 AM
No one here for 61k but me
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