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05-11-2019 , 07:37 AM
The alts are starting to go up in a big way.
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05-11-2019 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
The alts are starting to go up in a big way.
Not really relative to BTC.
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05-11-2019 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
Already throwing out the ****ing BS. You said you weren't going long because you were 90% sure it was gonna drop to 4k or below. And now you try and throw some BS "after the fact" like I specifically told you not to do.

Should have listened to me bro and you wouldn't have to play fairy tale games. Legit living the dream over here while you just pretend.
How is this afterwards muppet? I called it at 6300 and BAM, we now at 7k!!!

Also were did I state, I wasn't long?

I mean if you are going to read, at least read my posts correctly!
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05-11-2019 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by lvBlitzforce
Anyone have any info or any clue why its just been on a steady rise all day long? I love it but just curious as to whats causing it, bout to break through 7k here real soon..
crypto has a lot of mooner followers, peeps that will jump in on momentum.

what has changed in my mind is I dont forsee a lot of bad headlines coming. last year it was nonstop regulatory burden. that seems to have played out so I bought in over the last couple months.

I'm not bought into bitcoin being "the one". a full year ago I stated bnb had a big advantage because of their predatory practice of giving reduced fees to bnb holders. IF they become big enough they will face antitrust charges. but for now ride the bitcoin and shift to bnb
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05-11-2019 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by White_Gatsby
How is this afterwards muppet? I called it at 6300 and BAM, we now at 7k!!!

Also were did I state, I wasn't long?

I mean if you are going to read, at least read my posts correctly!
"Why don't I buy in right now, it's simple, probabilities ( you do know that word, right, it's not too long of a word, perhaps get your mommy to explain it to you). Chances are we back test at LEAST 4k, though I think we go lower. So why buy in now at 6k, if I think the price will go lower."

I'm done with you. You just should have listened!
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05-11-2019 , 10:54 AM
i still think crypto will be dominated by pegs to every currency. if we can buy a coin that represents shares in that peg fine, but you cant they are private companies. for now im fine holding bitcoin, then exchange coins then eventually the money will be on publicly traded system providers of pegs and transaction handling
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05-11-2019 , 11:13 AM
Stop trying to price predict. If you believe in its future, just start averaging in. If you don't believe in its future then gtfo.
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05-11-2019 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
Likely one of two things:

1) A big change in fundamentals and adoption [citation needed] driving demand sky high

or

2) The recent nonsense with Tether/Bitfinex and Biance and their subsequent ****ery have caused a run on customers trying to move their money off those exchanges (more so in the case of Bitfinex, but either way).

Imagine you sent some money to Bitfinex and they gave you some funbux they promised were just as good as money. Everyone told you it was probably bull****, but you thought "they dudes seem legit" so whatever. Now it comes out, those guys were definitely bull**** (by their own admission), so your funbux are basically no better than fithy statist fiat, and you need to get rid of that **** pronto. The only way to do that (since you can't cash out...) is to use your funbux to buy bitcoin. You, and everyone else doing this are draining Bitfinex's cold wallet and causing the price of BTC to spike.

Add to that the traders who are short and getting squeezed (friendly reminder: lol anyone playing this game) by this and you have more people buying BTC to cover their shorts, again causing the demand and price to rise.

Mix those with the fact that Bitcoin is a super illiquid market with the vast majority of its trading being fabricated to inflate exchanges volume and even relatively "small" issues like this can cause large spikes in price.

So 1 or 2 really. Your call which you choose to believe.
The dumb takes keep on coming
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05-11-2019 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
"Why don't I buy in right now, it's simple, probabilities ( you do know that word, right, it's not too long of a word, perhaps get your mommy to explain it to you). Chances are we back test at LEAST 4k, though I think we go lower. So why buy in now at 6k, if I think the price will go lower."

I'm done with you. You just should have listened!
Trading and investing are 2 different things, perhaps I wasn't clear but I do both, now run along little muppet.

I mean, how can you be this dumb "buying in referring to buying in for the long term ie, I still believe I can buy in lower, so why buy now?

My targets still stand, you imbecile!

I am trading long and short. I traded long, now I am looking to go short.

I "buy in" long term investing for the next 2-3 years, perhaps longer. I don't short BTC for long term, only buy dips and hold!

Trading is short term.

Now stop bothering my muppet!
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05-11-2019 , 02:55 PM
Id like to think my arguments were stronger than that
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05-11-2019 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by case3
Buying in here is for losers, everything says get out now. I'll go on the record as short at 5k.
How this workout?
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05-11-2019 , 07:36 PM
Looks like I didn't model this pump very well.
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05-11-2019 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by aggo
Id like to think my arguments were stronger than that
This gave me a chuckle.


Gatsby, you realise all your idiotic posts from the last bull run are still in these threads right?
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05-11-2019 , 08:56 PM
Damn just saw the price comeback, haven't been paying attention in months. Nicely done to those who had the nerve to keep buying.
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05-11-2019 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by White_Gatsby
You guys worried at all?

I think we found the bottom at 350B, it bounced hard from there, so a double bottom, as we had the correction to something like 450b last week, pretty sure this is as low as it will go.

Do you know of a triple bottom??

Anybody think we will see 3 Trillion by summer? Yeah I called it!

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We were at 175B last September, then to 830B, I guess 350B seems reasonable, thoughts?

Yeah, you know what I'm calling it, 350B, I think that's the end of this bear run. Doing a Macafee, I will eat my own ass if we don't hit 1 Trillion by summer!


Can confirm, did not hit 3 trillion or 1 trillion in summer 2018. Are you going to stream eating your own ass?
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05-11-2019 , 09:10 PM
At least the hyper moon bois give you some insight into their thought. Pontylad why are you even here? Can't believe I have to nominate you over the onemoretimes of the world for nutlow poster.

This run was really wild as it involved:

BFX forcing large USDT holders to bail them out
CBP taking over price leadership, the entire being ask removed, and a pump into that vacuum hitting
Everyone trying to shortcover and nothing available, sending funding way high and squeezing lot of positions

Last edited by case3; 05-11-2019 at 09:25 PM.
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05-11-2019 , 09:29 PM
Short squeezes are my favorite thing
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05-11-2019 , 10:02 PM
Tether bail out logic:

850m hole in reserves means large holders cannot all cash out

BFX in trouble with AG means they want to clean things up

Current USDT holders basically have an IOU backed by BFX recovering funds. New LEO token gives them this exact same thing *plus* another liquid market to dump into, along with an equity slice that could possibly cover them if funds are not recovered



Anyone with large USDT exposure (whales, alt exchanges) really has no choice but to go along here. This also protects the market which is aligned strongly with their interests anyway. If it was all just tiny fish with a few hundred K each then a rush to the exits makes more sense.
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05-12-2019 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by case3
Tether bail out logic:

850m hole in reserves means large holders cannot all cash out

BFX in trouble with AG means they want to clean things up

Current USDT holders basically have an IOU backed by BFX recovering funds. New LEO token gives them this exact same thing *plus* another liquid market to dump into, along with an equity slice that could possibly cover them if funds are not recovered



Anyone with large USDT exposure (whales, alt exchanges) really has no choice but to go along here. This also protects the market which is aligned strongly with their interests anyway. If it was all just tiny fish with a few hundred K each then a rush to the exits makes more sense.

Rumors are that zhao dong, big shareholder in bfx & tether is the underwriter for the LEO. He wanted a bailout bc he allowed tether to bailout bfx to keep them capitalized.


Think about this:

Pre LEO, bfx is fully capitalized and there are 1$ for every $1 customer deposit. The risk is not on the exchange, but at tether because their assets no longer are 1:1.

So if anything happened to bfx, eg legal, it’s tether whose screwed because their shares of bfx, what was used to back the $850m bailout, are immediately worthless and tether is now far less than 74% capitalized as the value of bfx would go straight to 0.


So zhao wants a bailout to protect his investments in both tether and bfx to ensure that if bfx is indeed in legal trouble (likely, full tilt poker style) that he won’t also get rekt on tether.
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05-12-2019 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by case3
Tether bail out logic:

850m hole in reserves means large holders cannot all cash out

BFX in trouble with AG means they want to clean things up

Current USDT holders basically have an IOU backed by BFX recovering funds. New LEO token gives them this exact same thing *plus* another liquid market to dump into, along with an equity slice that could possibly cover them if funds are not recovered



Anyone with large USDT exposure (whales, alt exchanges) really has no choice but to go along here. This also protects the market which is aligned strongly with their interests anyway. If it was all just tiny fish with a few hundred K each then a rush to the exits makes more sense.
Everyone has a large USDT exposure tho.

Tether is so deeply involved in the majority of trading that if it went fantastically tits up tomorrow, the price would collapse. There are tons of people with a massive financial interest in keeping the game going for as long as possible.

Take a step back and try to wrap your head around the idea that since April, at a time when the entire Tether mess appears to be imploding, the USAG is knocking at the door, and even they are having to admit they didn't have 1:1 backing...they've printed $1B new tethers and their market cap has never been higher!?

The real question here (for those who have BTC) is "how much money has truly been skimmed/scammed/embezzled out of the ecosystem?" Because it seems like the most likely ending here is that this goes on for a bit, and then those inside Bitfinex/Binance/wherever finally dump on the bagholders.

They'll move first, so they'll get theirs, but depending on how much cash is gone (it doesn't take a huge leap to think that if Tether is finally just now admitting they're only backed at 74% after swearing up and down it was 100% for so long, it's probably actually less), the bagholders are going to find when it's their turn for the bank run, the safe is empty.
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05-12-2019 , 01:27 AM
Exchanges don’t have any tether risk. They are just custodians to customer deposits and are just a third party to the market that’s determining the price of tether.


Tether can go to 0 and nothing would happen to bfx kraken etc. only ppl who lose are those that hold tether in their personal wallets. This is how it is for almost all cryptos except for btc
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05-12-2019 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by case3
At least the hyper moon bois give you some insight into their thought. Pontylad why are you even here? Can't believe I have to nominate you over the onemoretimes of the world for nutlow poster.
I mean, are you really this stupid? His insight, as you put it, is like me arguing the world is flat because it kinda looks it on the horizon. It's worthless, in fact it's worse than worthless because other people may read it an believe the nonsense.

Fwiw, i'm a moon boi too. I just don't pull figures out of my arse and then tell other people they're wrong for not agreeing with me. As you can see, White_Gatsby has long made idiotic comments and predictions, his predictions are worthless.
I'm just going to assume you've had a brain fart rather than actually being as dumb as you appear in that post but by all means double down on it and prove me wrong.
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05-12-2019 , 03:50 AM
Looks like I was wrong, you are hyper moon boi, my mistake.
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05-12-2019 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
Exchanges don’t have any tether risk. They are just custodians to customer deposits and are just a third party to the market that’s determining the price of tether.


Tether can go to 0 and nothing would happen to bfx kraken etc. only ppl who lose are those that hold tether in their personal wallets. This is how it is for almost all cryptos except for btc
That seems naive considering Tether and Bitfinex are the same company, but to a larger degree, if Tether went to 0 (I said "fantastically tits up" to imply it goes to 0 quickly, not just deflates slowly over a period of years), the effect on the economy would harm the income of the exchanges since their fees would go down in step with the economy.

Yeah, the immediate effect is that someone holding USDT in their account is ****ed, but that's not where the damage magically stops. Exchanges benefit from a robust crypto economy, and the crypto economy would be harmed by Tether snapping to 0. Therefore, exchanges are incentivized to do what they can (like lying about tether, or stopping withdraws, etc.) to prop it up.
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05-12-2019 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wtf5
The dumb takes keep on coming
Hey remember this from last year when I tried to warn you about tether:

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I have done my research and its crystal clear bitfinex isn't insolvent. This can be proven on a blockchain explorer easily. Quite a lot of smart people in the space have pointed to solid evidence showing tether is backed 1 to 1 and bitfinex themselves are making huge profits from both tether and cryptocurrency trading. I'm open to the possibility tether implodes due to the US govt shutting bitfinex down but that isn't what you've been arguing.
I'm not sure yours is the best measure of who else has dumb takes
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