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02-11-2013 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sethseth
Will everyone please stfu about government attacking the network with ASIC's? This would amount to flushing money down the toilet. The government's attack vector will be exchange shutdown. If a 51% attack ever causes problems for the network, the protocol will be upgraded to thwart the attack, and there are a whole bunch of easy ways to do this.
What do you mean by shutting down the exchange? You mean the Mtgox? That wouldn't kill bitcoin would it?
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02-11-2013 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
What do you mean by shutting down the exchange? You mean the Mtgox? That wouldn't kill bitcoin would it?
It wouldn't kill bitcoin, but if the government shuts down enough exchanges, then it would make it pretty difficult to use them.
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02-11-2013 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
What do you mean by shutting down the exchange? You mean the Mtgox? That wouldn't kill bitcoin would it?
No, but that's probably what they'll try if anything.

The people making the decisions may not even understand that there is a distinction between MtGox and bitcoin. If they do, they might just personally buy bitcoins and not worry about starting a potentially unpopular war against the international public because they are hedged anyway.
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02-11-2013 , 09:16 PM
isn't it more likely they force MtGox to cease business with US citizens (as opposed to completely shutting them down) like they've done with Party, Neteller, FTP/PS, Intrade, etc
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02-11-2013 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sinner
isn't it more likely they force MtGox to cease business with US citizens (as opposed to completely shutting them down) like they've done with Party, Neteller, FTP/PS, Intrade, etc
Yeah this is totally possible and somewhat likely IMO if BTC continues gaining ground only in the gambling/porn/drugs/hitman world. Not sure if this would have an effect on the price, tbh
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02-13-2013 , 05:32 PM
Can't even buy on coinbase today

"Sorry, the maximum number of purchases on Coinbase has been reached for today. Please try again in 24 hours. We'll continue raising this limit over time."
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02-13-2013 , 08:34 PM
I don't think the gov will go after mtgox, mtgox i'm pretty sure is registered as a us based company. If they lose mtgox from the usa they close out their ability to monitor 80% of all btc transactions. Its much better for them to just leave mtgox alone and use it to track everyone.

But i guess they have done dumber things in the past. so who knows.
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02-14-2013 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HybridTft
I don't think the gov will go after mtgox, mtgox i'm pretty sure is registered as a us based company. If they lose mtgox from the usa they close out their ability to monitor 80% of all btc transactions. Its much better for them to just leave mtgox alone and use it to track everyone.

But i guess they have done dumber things in the past. so who knows.
mtgox is a japanese company
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02-14-2013 , 03:40 PM
Someone dumped 700k USD all at once on mtgox yesterday, and it didn't stop bitcoin from hitting a year high.

Check out http://bitcoinwireless.com. Now you can put credit on your phone or pay your bill with 280 carriers in 112 countries. No vig.
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02-14-2013 , 05:33 PM
This just in, you can buy reddit gold with bitcoins now: http://blog.reddit.com/2013/02/new-g...tcoin-and.html

News article about it: http://techcrunch.com/2013/02/14/red...with-coinbase/
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02-15-2013 , 04:46 PM
Need some COOOINS. Have:
- 5K PayPal (I know .. I knooooooooooooooow) - Will pay premium.
- 1.2k cash, GDMP, or bank deposit. - Will pay little to no premium
- Guess we could also do MG or WU???

Thanks!
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02-16-2013 , 07:29 AM
http://rudd-o.com/archives/the-great...man-ever-built
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The greatest supercomputer Man ever built
It's Bitcoin. It's voluntary. And it's magnificent in more ways than one.
Today, I opened this page. I sat for a few minutes hearing the beeps, watching the flags appear, seeing the count of unconfirmed transactions go up at a rate of one per second, and go down in melodious batches as unconfirmed transactions get folded into blocks.

And then it hit me. The most obvious realization I never noticed before.

This payment processing network I'm watching, is the single largest and fastest supercomputer in the whole wide planet Earth. And it processes payments for millions of people.

Isn't that amazing?

What's more, this supercomputer exists and works, not because psychopaths ordered green papers to be printed and punished those who refused to pay up, but because decent men genuinely willed the computer; and they willed it solely because they stood to gain so much value from their own participation. Nobody's forced, nobody's made to participate, and nobody's ruined through punishment if he refuses to play.

This epic monument to human progress was built, not by decree from any ******* supported by a collective delusion of power, not by threats against anyone, not from monumental loot extorted from millions of people, not from borrowed money whose collateral is the working man unaware he's being farmed for his labor, not by any of these chimerae passed off as "cooperation" but really monsters of undeniable observable coercion... but strictly by the power of voluntary associations and cooperation, arising purely from ethical self-interest.

Think about it. Bitcoin -- a safe, world-wide, cheap and revolutionary currency -- is the very thing we were told "governments were absolutely indispensable for, and without governments would never ever happen". Impossible? Are my eyes and ears lying to me, or is it more likely that said beliefs were blatant indoctrination lynchpins to begin with?

"The profit motive doesn't work"? Yah, **** that propaganda. Bitcoin is a testament to the falsehood of that ideological bull****. Its very existence belies the idea that without central authority (and violence against resisters), great things cannot be accomplished. Its very success stands on the shoulders of ethical giants who refused to obey, built a tool for peaceful rebellion, and went their own way.

"But who will build the roads"? Oh, blind man, you need to move over — we're too busy building airways. And we're definitely far too busy to hear you say "can't be done".
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02-18-2013 , 01:42 PM
looking for btc for stars
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02-18-2013 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sethseth
Will everyone please stfu about government attacking the network with ASIC's? This would amount to flushing money down the toilet. The government's attack vector will be exchange shutdown. If a 51% attack ever causes problems for the network, the protocol will be upgraded to thwart the attack, and there are a whole bunch of easy ways to do this.

Here is a list of Bitcoin Improvement Proposals on the wiki. Note that 11 of the 37 proposals have been accepted. The bitcoin protocol can be changed if a proposal clearly improves it. Bitcoin is flexible enough to accommodate a lot. Any proposal could be accepted if the alternative meant that a a bitcoin competitor would win, or that everyone's coins would be worthless due to a bug or a network shutdown. This was a big reason for the rushed acceptance of multi-signature transactions (BIP 16). These allow you to do two factor authorization. If a clone had this feature first, it could have been considered superior.
The blockchain is a papertrail of bitcoin. They could either rollback or split and whatever Gavin chooses will be done. Could be a good time to compress the chain too.
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02-19-2013 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by steelhouse
The blockchain is a papertrail of bitcoin. They could either rollback or split and whatever Gavin chooses will be done. Could be a good time to compress the chain too.
It may the case now that Gavin will only "choose" things that everyone will go along with. But Gavin has no special ability in regards to controlling Bitcoin. I mean he does, but it is reputational/social not technical. Just clearing it up for anyone who might get the wrong idea. Bitcoin is not normal primarily in the fact that no one owns or controls it.
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02-19-2013 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AlbertoKnox
It may the case now that Gavin will only "choose" things that everyone will go along with. But Gavin has no special ability in regards to controlling Bitcoin. I mean he does, but it is reputational/social not technical. Just clearing it up for anyone who might get the wrong idea. Bitcoin is not normal primarily in the fact that no one owns or controls it.
Gavin is like the King of Bitcoinland. He's more of a face and figurehead than actual ruler
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02-19-2013 , 05:11 PM
Holy fahk $29!

Wow I was down when it was at $14 thinking about how I could have doubled my money in 5 months. I ended up passing on it because I didn't want to take a risk. Could have gone balls to the walls and doubled my money in two months. Jeebus!
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02-19-2013 , 06:13 PM
I started buying some at $21. I figure it's kind of like a lottery ticket. Lose 100% or make possibly 10,000%+. With a market cap of $300 mil right now, 10,000% doesn't seem too far fetched.

I feel there's a ton of possibilities that haven't even been thought of yet that will involve bitcoin. Every time an idea is released the demand/price will rise. There are also a ton of ways this could fail, but only have to be right once with these odds.
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02-19-2013 , 06:27 PM
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With a market cap of $300 mil right now, 10,000% doesn't seem too far fetched.
Definitely not. The silver lining of government distortions is you can speculate against them (when you're not busy donating money for Ron Paul to save you), and fiat currency is the best one there is. Tons of wealth waiting to pour into somewhere else.
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02-19-2013 , 06:27 PM
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02-21-2013 , 10:25 AM
So I live in Canada, have done some reading and have a pretty decent handle on what Bitcoins are and how they're used.

Can anyone give me a compelling reason to not get into the business of trying to exchange bitcoins for cash for people? Not huge volume, no real desire to sit on any amount. I don't mind the idea of sending people money orders or trading them on stars etc...

Is there a substantial downside here? And I'm not viewing this as a get rich scheme, just a very small amount of side income.
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02-21-2013 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
So I live in Canada, have done some reading and have a pretty decent handle on what Bitcoins are and how they're used.

Can anyone give me a compelling reason to not get into the business of trying to exchange bitcoins for cash for people? Not huge volume, no real desire to sit on any amount. I don't mind the idea of sending people money orders or trading them on stars etc...

Is there a substantial downside here? And I'm not viewing this as a get rich scheme, just a very small amount of side income.
The downside is of course the risk. Bitcoins are irreversible. So someone pays you on stars, you pay them Bitcoins, and Stars for whatever reason decides to reverse the transaction (say it was a scammed account, say they just don't like being involved in the transactions), you have no recourse. The other problem you have to worry about is if it's worth your time. You'd have to mark up significantly to cover the risk along with your time. I'm not sure how much time it would take to do a transaction with someone, but if there is enough money to be made, it would make more sense for the person to just use means with less juice to get the coins. There are a lot of decent options for getting coins now.

Chargebacks, fake checks, etc... are your biggest concern. You have to think, who is going to be using your services? Chances are, if they are legitimate and not someone you know, they wouldn't be using you if it wasn't some kind of scam. Or at least a good percentage of the time. Which drives up the juice you need to charge, which makes it more likely someone is a scammer.

You could also do in person cash for Bitcoin transactions, but that is fairly time consuming and somewhat risky for randoms you would meet up with. It will be hard to be worth your while, unless you just really enjoy seeing more people using the coins.
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02-22-2013 , 03:08 AM
1BTC > $30
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02-25-2013 , 12:13 AM
selling bitcoins for stars/ftp (silent_0ne69) at market price
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02-26-2013 , 12:19 AM
I have $40 on black chip poker looking to trade for 1.3 bit coins at 1BTC per $30 pm for details.
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