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Old 02-17-2019, 04:54 PM   #32126
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The one where he publicly stated that Wright is Satoshi and never disavowed it.

I've asked for a link for your and others' claim that he "admitted that he was fooled" repeatedly. I have never been able to find this quote and I assume that you guys are lying at this point.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:23 PM   #32128
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TS your whole argument is Andresen vouched for him at some point, and that because you read Andressen was respected at some point you assume it was warranted and still valid
No, that is not my whole argument. For one, Andresen isn't the only figure that Satoshi showed proof to and that then went on the record saying they were convinced. Many were shown independently to their complete satisfaction.

Here's Jon Matonis, with a resume of founding Director at Bitcoin Foundation. CEO of Hushmail. Startup Team at RSA’s VeriSign. Chief Currency Dealer at VISA. As central in the bitcoin world as Andresen and not an idiot and highly technically competent. He says:

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My relationship with the individual known as Satoshi Nakamoto started in early March 2010 when I received an email from Satoshi pointing me to the published Bitcoin white paper and encouraging me to investigate the system and to begin promoting the network by transacting and mining. At the time, I managed a digital currency blog and this was an email relationship with some brief correspondence.

Then, on June 4th 2015 during a conference, I arranged to meet fellow Bitcoin advocate, Craig Steven Wright, for a cup of coffee at the top floor of the AMP headquarters building in Sydney, Australia. After discussing many technical and economic aspects of the current Bitcoin protocol debates, I returned to my hotel room after an exhausting day. I remember saying to my wife that I had this weird feeling of having just met Satoshi. Of course, I continued the dialogue with Craig in the months after returning from Sydney and leading up to a private proof session in late March 2016.

The reality of an extraordinary event is rarely what you imagine and I am now pleased to know the creator of the Bitcoin protocol and the author of the Bitcoin white paper, Craig Steven Wright.
And he was one of many core people who independently received proof and evidence on multiple levels that Wright was Satoshi:
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During the London proof sessions, I had the opportunity to review the relevant data along three distinct lines: cryptographic, social, and technical. Based on what I witnessed, it is my firm belief that Craig Steven Wright satisfies all three categories. For cryptographic proof in my presence, Craig signed and verified a message using the private key from block #1 newly-generated coins and from block #9 newly-generated coins (the first transaction to Hal Finney). The social evidence, including his unique personality, early emails that I received, and early drafts of the Bitcoin white paper, points to Craig as the creator. I also received satisfactory explanations to my questions about registering the bitcoin.org domain and the various time-of-day postings to the BitcoinTalk forum. Additionally, Craig’s technical working knowledge of public key cryptography, Bitcoin’s addressing system, and proof-of-work consensus in a distributed peer-to-peer environment is very strong.

According to me, the proof is conclusive and I have no doubt that Craig Steven Wright is the person behind the Bitcoin technology, Nakamoto consensus, and the Satoshi Nakamoto name.
So no, it's not "just Andresen".

For two, there are many dozens of pieces of evidence (documented here) which together make zero sense if he is not Satoshi. The overwhelming pattern of in-depth evidence which has no other explanation is what makes him Satoshi. Andresen is just my foil to the faketoshi advocates who repeatedly lie.

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People are flawed and make bad decisions all the time, is it possible Andresen thought he would gain something from it, did he get blackmailed, was he careless...
For sure, on its own it's nowhere near conclusive, thought it's still strong.
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Many early day bitcoiner will end up with an awful reputation because people change and/or sometimes it requires time to figure them out.
Andresen was the highly respected lead developer. Satoshi basically passed him that baton. He's not just some random dude.

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You like to bully people into submission, but you took a really bad fight here. Wright has no credibility and a huge track record as a fraud who keep threatening with obvious bluffs. At best he is a bad patent troll.
Again, the evidence taken in totality does not suggest this. It appears that you guys simply cannot think and weigh evidence properly. I'm wiping the floor with you.

It's a fascinating thing to see lovers of bitcoin and Satoshi trash the actual, real Satoshi endlessly with vitriol. They wanted a messiah and they got a real person and their toddler brains can't handle the letdown.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:48 PM   #32129
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How are his papers?
No idea, haven't read them, there's no need to do that to assess he's not Satoshi with 99% certainty.
Btw the "proof" he used to convince Gavin was an astute math forgery (google it if you want the details). The only thing it proved was Gavin's incompetence....
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:06 PM   #32130
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Again, the evidence taken in totality does not suggest this. It appears that you guys simply cannot think and weigh evidence properly. I'm wiping the floor with you.
You're using a mop and a bucket of ****.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:14 PM   #32131
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Trump has a fairly low verbal intelligence for a politician, but his general intelligence and various abilities are pretty high. People with lower intelligence tend to confuse them.
I'll just respond to that one,

Trump is extremely stupid, here's one proof :

He admitted live on TV to have fired James Comey because of the Russia investigation.

He could have simply stated that he followed Rod Rosentein's advice to do so.
He was supposed to do so. His staff and legal team had briefed him on this heavily beforehand. But he somehow screwed up, live on TV, making a statement that effectively put him in huge legal trouble, with litteraly no upside whatsoever.

Only someone extremely stupid/retarded would act like that.

Now, quite frankly, there's a very good chance he's smarter than you, I'll give you that....

Wich is why I will try to avoid debating any further matter with you ;

I hope you won't take offence ; I wish you the best and hope you do well.

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Old 02-17-2019, 06:45 PM   #32132
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very large surprise that ts would identify so strongly with a liar who is also an arsehole
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:53 PM   #32133
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ts says he has/had a prof but he didnt even go to school. cant even spell poker

also miss chromosome.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:13 PM   #32134
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It’s a fascinating thing to see someone repeatedly create elaborate fantasies about others’ thoughts so that he can rejoice and celebrate himself .
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:38 PM   #32135
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I'll just respond to that one,

Trump is extremely stupid
So an "extremely stupid" person amassed billions of dollars as a developer in the NY real estate market and a global diversified business empire, starting with mere millions and a loan guarantor at best, not only surviving but thriving through two financial crises that wiped out many, THEN had a hit TV show, THEN as a complete outsider won the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth, in a feat never managed in modern history, against not one but two deeply entrenched and highly intelligent and sophisticated political machines, and a hostile media.

This person is not just "stupid" but "extremely stupid", according to you. What color is the sky in your world? Have you ever thought through your positions?
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, here's one proof :

He admitted live on TV to have fired James Comey because of the Russia investigation.

He could have simply stated that he followed Rod Rosentein's advice to do so.
He was supposed to do so. His staff and legal team had briefed him on this heavily beforehand. But he somehow screwed up, live on TV, making a statement that effectively put him in huge legal trouble, with litteraly no upside whatsoever.

Only someone extremely stupid/retarded would act like that.
I'm glad you provided some detail on your reasoning because it shows you utterly comical it is. This isn't evidence for "stupid". It might be evidence for "sometimes impulsive" or "you not knowing all the facts and details or big picture", but it's not evidence for "stupid". In fact this reasoning provides more evidence that you're "extremely stupid" than it does that Trump is.
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Now, quite frankly, there's a very good chance he's smarter than you, I'll give you that....

Wich is why I will try to avoid debating any further matter with you ;


I hope you won't take offence ; I wish you the best and hope you do well.

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These are the attempted slurs of an extremely stupid person.

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very large surprise that ts would identify so strongly with a liar who is also an arsehole
I don't identify with him; I'm nothing like him. I've read enough to have some understanding though.
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ts says he has/had a prof but he didnt even go to school. cant even spell poker

also miss chromosome.


Anyway, as a kindness to the not-too-bright natives I left this thread a while ago when Bitcoin was 7000 or so, and said I'd be back when it's down below $5K. To your horror and painful financial losses, it's now $3600. Ouch. I'll be back when it drops below $3000.
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I'll be back when it drops below $3000.
8 weeks ago you picked GBTC in the stock-picking challenge.

A challenge in which you are again failing miserably btw.

Can you not even keep up with your own takes?
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This isn't evidence for "stupid"
It is.

As a self-proclaimed "thought leader" in a finance forum you might have heard of risk management.

Risking jail/huge legal trouble for absolutely no gain is *extremely* stupid indeed. Even is said risk is like 0.000001% chance on spending a day in jail.
Freedom/Being alive >>> anything else.

Should be evident to you, but it isn't... Hence the statement on your intellectual faculties.

Chess Mate, bro.

Thanks for playing, plz move on.
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Old 02-17-2019, 10:36 PM   #32138
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8 weeks ago you picked GBTC in the stock-picking challenge.

A challenge in which you are again failing miserably btw.

Can you not even keep up with your own takes?
"Again" failing miserably? WTF are you talking about? My one pick last year in the competition was short GBTC (short bitcoin's tracking stock on the market), which paid about 70% profit (I picked the bitcoin all time high within 3 days). I nailed bitcoin and that trade. As for this year, it's February in an end-of-year challenge. I'll see you in December.

Having an excellent track record of having picked free money bitcoin spots in this forum (strong bull at $250, strong bear at $17,000), I will say that I think bitcoin is pretty hard to read right now. I'm on record months ago as saying it will swing 3000-6000 for a while. I'm leaning toward further capitulation but I think it's at least 20% we go for another big run by the end of the year. Hence bitcoin is -EV to hold but good as a moonshot in a list of picks in a fun-only competition. There's no inconsistency at all.

That this didn't occur to you before taking a swing just shows more bull genius itt.
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It is.

As a self-proclaimed "thought leader" in a finance forum you might have heard of risk management.

Risking jail/huge legal trouble for absolutely no gain is *extremely* stupid indeed. Even is said risk is like 0.000001% chance on spending a day in jail.
Freedom/Being alive >>> anything else.

Should be evident to you, but it isn't... Hence the statement on your intellectual faculties.

Chess Mate, bro.

Thanks for playing, plz move on.
This is comically sad basement dweller level logic. I'm actually cringing for you. It's what I'd expect of an 18 year old with no experience who puts cologne on his balls. I guess if you're 18 it's forgivable I guess.

Anyway being much smarter than Trump, I looked forward to you making billions in your life (or comparatively maybe 100 million starting from less), having a hit TV show, and winning the presidency as an outsider, since apparently in your world these things are available to "extremely stupid" people. How's it going for your so far?
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How's it going for your so far?
Very well, thank you.

Reread our little exchange and our arguments.

Try enough, you'll get it.

You fail at basic logic, man.
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Imagine thinking trump is an up-by-the-bootstraps genius businessman billionaire.
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"Again" failing miserably? WTF are you talking about?
I'm talking about the epic fail that was your year long trading bet in which you placed one measly trade and lost.

After this epic fail you then admitted in a very sincere sounding post to being a fraud that lives at home with his parents.

You then suddenly had a change of heart and claimed this admission (that was more sad than interesting or funny) was simply a 'joke'.

Do you have any self-awareness at all?
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:22 AM   #32142
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Let's get back on topic guys, so after TS's weekend meltdown does ANYONE agree with the evidence he's presented that CW is Satoshi? I haven't seen one person say so and he knows damn well some of us aren't Bitcoin bulls. No one cares about your price predictions dude, stop bragging about being bullish from $250/bearish from $17k because there was so much bull**** in between and its pretty obvious you've never owned and/or traded a Bitcoin in your life.
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I'm talking about the epic fail that was your year long trading bet in which you placed one measly trade and lost.
The bet was a lock to win, I threw it. Brian got royally screwed by some of the best trading in years and I'd made a nice sum and I didn't feel like taking his money.
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After this epic fail you then admitted in a very sincere sounding post to being a fraud that lives at home with his parents.

You then suddenly had a change of heart and claimed this admission (that was more sad than interesting or funny) was simply a 'joke'.

Do you have any self-awareness at all?
Good god. Everyone except you, one of the dumbest people alive apparently, knows that that was a joke. And only the dumbest - ASAP17 only - believed the "admission" to begin with at the time when I wrote it. The "joke" was in the dumb/angry people believing it was real while everyone else knew it was a joke. I also said in that post that I'd begged Brian to let me off and I couldn't afford to pay him. At the time I posted that he had $500 cash in his hand from me paying out the bet immediately after losing.

Your post and the last few pages shows bitcoin bulls as some of the dumbest people alive, the nut low of 2p2. I enjoy engaging with stupid people but this is like talking to people with actual mental deficits.

I think I know why you're all so angry. Collectively, this thread has lost 82% of their value from highs and 64% in a year. You could own almost 5x more bitcoin if you hadn't dunk the HODL MOON koolaid that some were peddling. If you'd seen bitcoin as mostly a ponzi you'd have realized that the ponzi money was close to maxing out and recommend a short, as I did, you'd have a lot more bitcoin.

That kind of loss/being wrong makes for some very unhappy hombres, and Craig Wright/Satoshi is the perfect guy to vent your spleen on. He's certainly extremely unlikable unless you understand him.

Anyway, back when bitcoin hits $3000.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:28 AM   #32144
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The bet was a lock to win, I threw it. Brian got royally screwed by some of the best trading in years and I'd made a nice sum and I didn't feel like taking his money.

Good god. Everyone except you, one of the dumbest people alive apparently, knows that that was a joke. And only the dumbest - ASAP17 only - believed the "admission" to begin with at the time when I wrote it. The "joke" was in the dumb/angry people believing it was real while everyone else knew it was a joke. I also said in that post that I'd begged Brian to let me off and I couldn't afford to pay him. At the time I posted that he had $500 cash in his hand from me paying out the bet immediately after losing.

Your post and the last few pages shows bitcoin bulls as some of the dumbest people alive, the nut low of 2p2. I enjoy engaging with stupid people but this is like talking to people with actual mental deficits.

I think I know why you're all so angry. Collectively, this thread has lost 82% of their value from highs and 64% in a year. You could own almost 5x more bitcoin if you hadn't dunk the HODL MOON koolaid that some were peddling. If you'd seen bitcoin as mostly a ponzi you'd have realized that the ponzi money was close to maxing out and recommend a short, as I did.

That kind of loss makes for some very unhappy hombres, and Craig Wright/Satoshi is the perfect guy to vent your spleen on. He's certainly extremely unlikable unless you understand him.

Anyway, back when bitcoin hits $3000.
You came on here at the beginning of the weekend saying you didn't have time to educate us and have been here non stop since. Easiest money on this site would be betting you'll be back because you can't stand someone else having the last word as this post clearly indicates.

You LOST the bet with Brian no matter how you try to spin it. By the way since de capitan is in this thread how's it going paying him and malachii the $1k you said you'd pay?
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It's what I'd expect of an 18 year old with no experience who puts cologne on his balls. I guess if you're 18 it's forgivable I guess.
TS is awesome sometimes
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Hey, haters! Bitcoin still exists, 10.1 yrs and counting now. God it feels good.
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Hey, haters! Bitcoin still exists, 10.1 yrs and counting now. God it feels good.
Having read the latest IMF post, I'm close to agreeing with you and becoming a bitcoin supporter.

In this recent post on IMF's official website, they talk their hope of destroying cash in order to nationalize money such that you no longer own your wealth.

Cashing In: How to Make Negative Interest Rates Work

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In a cashless world, there would be no lower bound on interest rates. A central bank could reduce the policy rate from, say, 2 percent to minus 4 percent to counter a severe recession. The interest rate cut would transmit to bank deposits, loans, and bonds. Without cash, depositors would have to pay the negative interest rate to keep their money with the bank, making consumption and investment more attractive. This would jolt lending, boost demand, and stimulate the economy.

When cash is available, however, cutting rates significantly into negative territory becomes impossible....

...Breaking through zero

One option to break through the zero lower bound would be to phase out cash.
That's some crazy ****.

Satoshi (Craig Wright) has also helped sway me. In this series of interviews in 2014 from 1.5 years before his outing, he lays out his clear and longstanding vision of bitcoin, one which he's fighting for now.







He's right that Bitcoin core and Lightning are stupid and narrow and hopelessly flawed for the expansion needed.
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So take your $600 net worth and buy 10 Bitcoin SVs then TS
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The bet was a lock to win, I threw it. Brian got royally screwed by some of the best trading in years and I'd made a nice sum and I didn't feel like taking his money.
Lmaooooooo

Whether or not TS is right about CW, I have to commend his investigative vendettas he partakes on to try and prove people wrong.

Also, Trump has had success where others of his intelligence haven’t because he lacks moral obligation. That takes a special type of person.
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Let's get back on topic guys, so after TS's weekend meltdown does ANYONE agree with the evidence he's presented that CW is Satoshi? I haven't seen one person say so and he knows damn well some of us aren't Bitcoin bulls. No one cares about your price predictions dude, stop bragging about being bullish from $250/bearish from $17k because there was so much bull**** in between and its pretty obvious you've never owned and/or traded a Bitcoin in your life.
Newsweek already revealed who Satoshi Nakamoto is a long time ago...

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