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07-15-2018 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
lol? The very reason I'm here during the day is because I'm trading options...
Oh, you creeped back out from under your bridge, troll?

Durrr Hi, I'm toothyseer. Mommy and Daddy paid my way through Harvard, and now I trade options and act like I'm contributing to human life.


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My posting is fine.
lol

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Bitcoin cultists (like Tesla cultists) cannot take any criticism of their cult, and bitcoin cultists are both less intelligent and more emotionally invested and underwater/frustrated more. Hence these responses. Ironically you're saying almost the same things that Tesla cultists used to say about me before most of them slinked away in shame as I was proven right on various fundamentals. The same thing will happen here, we're just not as far along the curve.
Yeah, we're real underwater. This minor correction wipes out years of massive gains, rofl.

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Oh and there is no economic case for bitcoin. It's purely worthless. It can't scale and does everything worse than centralization. The only use cases for owning bitcoin are ponzi speculation, politics (i.e. wanting to be free of government control), and illegal activity. Everything else is done better by the current financial system.
Get this through your head, you nincompoop. Bitcoin is not here to replace banks. There is good incentive for someone to say "Pay me XX and I'l secure your wealth for a period of time for you," so (Bitcoin-backed) banks will exist. It's here to replace CENTRAL BANKS, which are the problem right now.
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07-15-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutch101
Bitcoin is no longer good for black market use. Law enforcement is catching on and having all transactions in a ledger is great to track things. Recently they set up several coin mixers and because they control the mixer they can continue to track bitcoins used for drug sales. A bunch of sellers got caught and the FBI and some other international agencies again have a bunch of coins for sale.
Kind of irrelevant when Bitcoin is the on ramp for things like Monero. Bitcoin is the mainstream layer that enables the rest. Take it down and the rest dies too.

I'd say 50/50 it'll be regulated into death, it's a growing cancer and will continue to grow. There's very high demand for the nasty stuff and money laundering which the government has choked out through controlling and watching payment methods.
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07-15-2018 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by zplusz
Oh, you creeped back out from under your bridge, troll?

Durrr Hi, I'm toothyseer. Mommy and Daddy paid my way through Harvard, and now I trade options and act like I'm contributing to human life.




lol
I don't understand why you complain about me then contribute to the melee.
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Yeah, we're real underwater. This minor correction wipes out years of massive gains, rofl.
A lot of you are. Not the very long term holders of course.
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Get this through your head, you nincompoop. Bitcoin is not here to replace banks. There is good incentive for someone to say "Pay me XX and I'l secure your wealth for a period of time for you," so (Bitcoin-backed) banks will exist. It's here to replace CENTRAL BANKS, which are the problem right now.
Bitcoin is dead if it's not viable as a larger scale currency. Bitcoin backed banks offer nothing that regular banks don't thanks to KYC rules. And you still don't get around the cost of on chaining. It's a fundamentally intractable problem. Decentralized cheap secure money at even 1/100th of global scale isn't possible with current and near future memory and bandwidth.
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07-15-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by zplusz
It's here to replace CENTRAL BANKS, which are the problem right now.
That's the question, isn't it? Whether or not this statement is true.
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07-16-2018 , 03:32 AM
I like what invictus is doing here.
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07-16-2018 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
And lol, how do these agencies all of a sudden have control of these coins? Sure they tracked them, how do they now control them?
Plea deals. You hand over the private key of these addresses we know are yours and in exchange we take x years of your sentence. Not much different from how the FBI got the previous coins they auctioned.
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07-16-2018 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
That's the question, isn't it? Whether or not this statement is true.


that statement is absurd. central banks arnt going anywhere, and they arnt evil either.
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07-16-2018 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinkmann
that statement is absurd. central banks arnt going anywhere, and they arnt evil either.
Oh man, I wish I knew this earlier. Thanks for the info.
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07-16-2018 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinkmann
that statement is absurd. central banks arnt going anywhere, and they arnt evil either.
Whether or not I agree with you (I do), if enough people think otherwise things could change. The market will ultimately decide.
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07-16-2018 , 09:29 AM
What do you like about central banks atm?
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07-16-2018 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
The market will ultimately decide.
So bitcoin going to trillions in market cap means central banks will stop regulating interest rates? Explain
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07-16-2018 , 10:11 AM
If Bitcoin becomes the world currency that everyone uses for all transactions, people will demand their governments not only accept Bitcoin as the vehicle for tax payments and reporting purposes, it may even adopt it as official currency. Even countries that aren't democracies like China and Russia will end up pegging their currency to Bitcoin. Central banks loose all power then.


I never said it was likely to happen.
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07-16-2018 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinkmann
So bitcoin going to trillions in market cap means central banks will stop regulating interest rates? Explain
The ponzi price rise has validated their bizarre notions. I'm convinced there's not a single sane bitcoin bull who posts regularly here. The same thing happened in the silver thread. Silver went up and up and every weirdo anti central banker/libertarian/REAL MONEY advocate including very intelligent people thought their thesis on central banking was was being validated and HODL MOON because real money was going to soar and the system would crash. That didn't end well for them.
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07-16-2018 , 10:54 AM
To be fair tooth at least you can spend bitcoin better than silver. People do accept crypto for goods and services, but I've never heard of anyone spending or accepting gold/silver unless its a true metal fanatic/lolaustrian/Rothchilds own the world person.

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Originally Posted by Didace
If Bitcoin becomes the world currency that everyone uses for all transactions, people will demand their governments not only accept Bitcoin as the vehicle for tax payments and reporting purposes, it may even adopt it as official currency. Even countries that aren't democracies like China and Russia will end up pegging their currency to Bitcoin. Central banks loose all power then.


I never said it was likely to happen.
The Fed was created in 1913, and the gold standard lasted until Nixon. Bulgarian currency is pegged to the Euro, and Bulgaria has a central bank. Pegging your currency to something doesn't dismiss the central banks power and influence over an economy.

I'm long and bullish crypto, but this scenario you describe is just way too extreme to accept as having any non zero probability.
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07-16-2018 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
If Bitcoin becomes the world currency that everyone uses for all transactions, people will demand their governments not only accept Bitcoin as the vehicle for tax payments and reporting purposes, it may even adopt it as official currency. Even countries that aren't democracies like China and Russia will end up pegging their currency to Bitcoin. Central banks loose all power then.


I never said it was likely to happen.
Anyone interested in a friendly wager on what becomes the world currency everyone uses? You can have bitcoin and I will take cheese.

Serious inquires only please.
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07-16-2018 , 02:06 PM
Seems like coin flip.
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07-16-2018 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Anyone interested in a friendly wager on what becomes the world currency everyone uses? You can have bitcoin and I will take cheese.

Serious inquires only please.
Deal. I win you give me 1,000 btc. You win I give you 1,000 slices of kraft cheddar.
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07-16-2018 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
Deal. I win you give me 1,000 btc. You win I give you 1,000 slices of kraft cheddar.
Wow, come on man. Make a serious offer like he wants. Kraft cheddar? At least gouda or something....
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07-16-2018 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by h_ven
Wow, come on man. Make a serious offer like he wants. Kraft cheddar? At least gouda or something....
+1
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07-17-2018 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Whether or not I agree with you (I do), if enough people think otherwise things could change. The market will ultimately decide.
I'm going to ask again because I'm curious. What do you guys like about central banks?
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07-17-2018 , 02:10 PM
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07-17-2018 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
Deal. I win you give me 1,000 btc. You win I give you 1,000 slices of kraft cheddar.
Any cheese connoisseur worth a damn will tell you that a slice of Kraft cheddar is the satochi of the cheese world. What part of serious inquires only did you not understand?
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07-17-2018 , 07:27 PM
Well.... it's been a good day....
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07-18-2018 , 07:09 AM
Not sure this is the right thread to bring this up. Also please refrain from making this a political debate. In count 10 of the recent Mueller indictment:
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COUNT TEN (Conspiracy to Launder Money)
56. Paragraphs 1 through 19, 21 through 49, and 55 are re-alleged and incorporated by reference as if fully set forth herein.
57. To facilitate the purchase of infrastructure used in their hacking activity—including hacking into the computers of U.S. persons and entities involved in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and releasing the stolen documents—the Defendants conspired to launder the equivalent of more than $95,000 through a web of transactions structured to capitalize on the perceived anonymity of cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin.
58. Although the Conspirators caused transactions to be conducted in a variety of currencies, including U.S. dollars, they principally used bitcoin when purchasing servers, registering domains, and otherwise making payments in furtherance of hacking activity. Many of these payments were processed by companies located in the United States that provided payment processing services to hosting companies, domain registrars, and other vendors both international and domestic. The use of bitcoin allowed the Conspirators to avoid direct relationships with traditional financial institutions, allowing them to evade greater scrutiny of their identities and sources of funds.
59. All bitcoin transactions are added to a public ledger called the Blockchain, but the Blockchain identifies the parties to each transaction only by alpha-numeric identifiers known as bitcoin addresses. To further avoid creating a centralized paper trail of all of their purchases, the Conspirators purchased infrastructure using hundreds of different email accounts, in some cases using a new account for each purchase. The Conspirators used fictitious names and addresses in order to obscure their identities and their links to Russia and the Russian government. For example, the dcleaks.com domain was registered and paid for using the fictitious name “Carrie Feehan” and an address in New York. In some cases, as part of the payment process, the Conspirators provided vendors with nonsensical addresses such as “usa Denver AZ,” “gfhgh ghfhgfh fdgfdg WA,” and “1 2 dwd District of Columbia.”
Text of the Indictment

This seems to me to be the US govt taking the position that using bitcoin to facilitate transactions to bank accounts where the money is subject to taxation but taxes aren't sufficiently paid also can result in a charges of money laundering. Seems to me the US govt is going to be quite agressive in discouraging the use of bitcoin. Thoughts?
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07-18-2018 , 08:39 AM
That indictment has nothing to do with discouraging the use of Bitcoin.
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