Splitting subs on this forum has been the first step to both communities dieing more often than not. Though my perspective is over 11 years.

I agree with this in general and frequently see forums with far too many split categories.

However in this case I believe a sub forum is warranted. Probably should be called "TO THE MOON!" .

Not sure how much this bears fruit anymore, at least I haven't noticed it in Sports, OOT etc when they made sub forum's to remove some of the clutter of TV, team, or Fantasy threads.

I believe that the whole reason cryptos were forced into 3 threads was due to complaints from people in BFI about the threads clogging up the 1st page of BFI. Interest has only grown 100x since then.

Allowing crypto investors/speculators to have a full and open discussion in a crypto sub in BFI, solves the initial problem/complaint while not ruining the user experience for those wanting to discuss crypto.

BTC, ETH, and Atlcoins is insufficient to cover the breadth of discussions that will come up over crypto over the next couple of years.

Strong modding def would be key to avoid randoms from spamming etc but that is true throughout 2+2

Cryptos are coming to a close. I guess it's worth it for the crazy "I lost all my money, wtf do I do" posts. So yeah, another forum might work.

Who's going to mod it though? Crypto like any ponzi on a run is worthless moron central. We'd need new mods for it to work, as the mods here aren't around much and are successful people, so they don't want to be reading crypto threads.

Off the top of my head I'd say Aggo or maybe Augie if they wanted to since he is posting in every thread on a daily basis. Otherwise we could see if there were any volunteers.

100% the issue is who is going to do that moderating. I don't read those threads, but it sure feels seems like from comments/post reports that those threads are already borderline filled with nonsense.

The other question is what happens to that subforum content when the inevitable (imo) crash comes / interest wanes. I wouldn't want 100 threads merged back into BFI.

Anyway....I PM'ed the other mods to see what they think. No response yet.

Aggo is spiteful and cranky and ultra low content. Augie is always complained about. Must be better choices.

Its going to be like that in general regardless given its crypto but I think the main issue will be locking spammy or pointless threads that are started.

When crashes come, the main threads in sub-forum will still go strong due to true believers/holders/etc. It may dip in activity but it will still solve the issue of threads cluttering BFI main page while allowing discussion for interested parties. Crypto is still gonna be around and going interest wise 2-3 years from now...crashes and all.

Would be happy to mod crypto forum fwiw. Obv need the backing of the rest of the crypto people. I'd nominate Tom Collins if not me imo.

The last post at the bottom of page 1 is from Christmas... The idea that this subforum needs to separate crypto is nonsense, it's pretty inactive already even w/ those threads included here.

BFI really needs a ICO/new projects thread in the mean time while 2+2 figures out everything. I don't get why one extra very very active thread is a big deal, lots of demand, will cut out the noise of being stuck together in the altcoins thread. Would be nice to discuss projects without having to go through 100+ new replies per day on noise and most posts not even getting noticed.

The mods banned all creation of new crypto related threads in BFI since Dec I believe.

dilly dilly

Which one of you deleted the thread I just made?

I think the solution is obvious there... The truth is this place is mostly the same regulars and I would imagine most of the new accounts that post here are from people who want to talk crypto anyways. If you want to segment it out, just allow more threads. Either way it's not a big deal, I imagine if there is a new crypto subforum it would siphon some of the traffic in here.

Please explain to me how a ICO/new projects thread is different than an altcoins thread? Isn't that the exact definition of altcoins?

Sorry, I don't feel any crisis urgency here. We'll decide in the next few days what we want to do.

For the record...there are lots of BFI readers who don't want to wade through 50% of the threads being crypto related (myself included). So a free for all related to that isn't going to happen in BFI proper.

Right, so crypto sub imo.

I think the last paragraph supports the value add of a BFI crypto sub over just allowing crypto threads to be started and run wild in BFI. It gives the non-crypto BFIers and the crypto BFIers the best user experience while using BFI.

In terms of ICO/new projects question -- that's like having a Alt Fantasy Thread that contains discussion about every topic and form of fantasy outside of NFL (bitcoin) and NBA(ether).

Fair enough. But right now it's only 3 threads being crypto related. Which is probably over 50% of the posting volume in BFI? Before I got into it, it was very easy to ignore these 3 threads. I hate to see it leave BFI but I mean it's approach to contain crypto is a bit overboard. BFI works good bc you have mega threads for the beginner questions, repeated questions, faqs and so on. Crypto needs something similar because right now that altcoins thread is getting a ton of that which makes having a good discussion hard trying to sort through 100 new posts per day of noise since it's basically the crypto off-topic thread, general discussion thread, bbv, gossip, and so on merged into one place. Try having a good business or strategy discussion through a volume of posts like that of off topic stuff.

Yep, I totally get the challenges right now with status quo.

Waiting to see what the other mods think.

One could argue that crypto doesnt even belong in Business, Finance, and Investing.


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Politics?

I strongly feel crypto should not have its own subforum. Keep it in the light of BFI with the doubters et al. Keeps the euphoria in line vs the inevitable advice devloving into recommending people put 100% of their net worth into the latest crypto du jour.

And we dont ban all new crypto threads, just ones that are repetitive of already established threads. Just so happens most of them fall into that category.

A presales and ico thread would be nice. Nothing else needed.

+1 with the Schwarz here. What's the big deal if we allow another crypto thread for the time being versus a new sub-forum? Worst case, you have to scroll down another inch to get to your value trading thread.

But yes, closing repetitive crypto threads and closing others if/when crypto dissolves into a fart in the wind is a must.

Can we get approval for at least a Crypto ICO/Presale Thread then?

The only other thread I can think of that isn't coin specific would be one similar to this one dealing with all the questions surrounding Crypto exchanges, wallets, security, newb questions etc. All three threads have a ton of posts and convos repeated over and over about this stuff that isn't specific to any coins.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/4...l#post53326227