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11-14-2017 , 06:17 PM
Szabo has written that 4 is the correct number of threads. All the experts agree.
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11-14-2017 , 06:33 PM
500+ posts in a month on 1 topic.

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11-14-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
I have the opposite experience to yours and Abbaddabba's claims. And the research backs me up. Increasing wealth and success is strongly correlated with being confrontational, thriving on conflict, aggression and lower and lower empathy. There's a reason we're finding out that half of Hollywood and politics is raping people. Wealth and success are correlated with narcissism and very low empathy.

That successful people are charming to those where it benefits them to be seen as such, is of course standard. If you met me in person you'd find me likeable.

There's not much for me here in trading wisdom so if I can't be a "douchebag", to quote you, I post a lot less. That's the tradeoff. You've stated your preference, and I'm happy to respect it.

Another amazing trader recently banned is cicakman. Guy has posted at least 7 5+ bagger trades (figure that compounded), and rarely gets it wrong. He told a mod to eat a dick and got a perma for it. He now shares his 5+ baggers privately with some 2p2ers.

Personally I think the real damage done in this forum is the unbridled hysteria by the bitcoin posters. People have a real chance of losing their life savings because of posters in this forum advocating 100% in and no risk. That's a lot worse than being called a cuck. Not your problem, but if we're talking about real world harm, that takes the cake over putdowns and salty language.

Anyway, this is a nice forum, I think the best stock forum on the web by a wide margin, and I think it'll improve again once the market becomes livelier, and there's real strategy to discuss. We're at the top of a long bull without much volatility and no real bargains or killer trades
This seems like a serious waste. Is there any way that we can get him unbanned? While we're at it, I don't think wil should be banned either - I don't really keep up with twoplustwo gossip, but my impression is that his biggest crime is that he's a conservative on a forum with an extremely vocal and hardcore liberal wing that likes to suppress dissenting views.
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11-14-2017 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
1. Bitcoin news & trading (the current bitcoin thread) - newbie help and questions, bitcoin news, tradable events, people's positions
2. Legitimacy and future of crypto - longwinded arguments about crypto and its future
3. Alt coins thread - all others

We don't need more.
Agree.

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Originally Posted by Steve350
Szabo has written that 4 is the correct number of threads. All the experts agree.
lol.

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Originally Posted by DoctorZangief
500+ posts in a month on 1 topic.
How many posts if you remove nooseknot's pumping and TS' rebuttals? :P
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11-14-2017 , 07:41 PM
hey guys, sorry for chiming in so late here. My place got flooded and I was in a temp plac for a month without most of my stuff making it hard to keep up with 2+2.

If not for that I probably would have advocated for TS in the mod forum discussion as a poster who is occasionally flippant and curt in his posting in BFI but overall a good poster to have around.

And jalex and I have generally the same modding style of laisser faire until it goes to far, letting the community self regulate.

but the other thing guys is we mods dont always wade in all the threads, especially the mega threads like cypto, so we cant see everything that is going on. In those cases when someone has crossed the line of personal insults or attacks, just shoot one of us a PM
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11-14-2017 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
I want to respond to this too.

Here's the thing. People who beat competitive betting systems tend not to be orthodox thinkers. Orthodox thinking gets you an index return minus fees and spread. It's not just a BFI problem - some of the best HSNL players, sports/horse/politics bettors, were douchebags who don't bend to orthodox ideas and norms. We've actually lost a number of highly valuable people with money-generating opinions from those forums because their douchebaggery was deemed a negative, and people who don't like having their opinions or character or prejudices challenged get all butthurt.

Are the forums better for losing these people? I dunno, but I know I can make less money and have fewer fresh ideas coming in with them gone.
disagree with this one. if I mimic a top poker players strategy, that could make me orthodox but also very successful. Same for mimicking Buffett, Klarman, and Greenblatt investing style. You can literally buy joel greenblatts little book that beats the street and use his formula and do better the indices. Id define that as being othordox, youre just making sure to follow the proven leaders as opposed to most common strat.
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11-14-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve350
Szabo has written that 4 is the correct number of threads. All the experts agree.
A+

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Originally Posted by jalexand42
How many posts if you remove nooseknot's pumping and TS' rebuttals? :P
500+ was just the # for Nooseknot's pumping

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Maybe someone could write and curate a stickied 1st post in the Bitcoin thread for newbie answers about wallets, fees, exchanges, etc.?
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11-14-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
i haven't followed a poker strat thread in ages but in my experience the best players and strat was an exercise in stroking their own ego. they would post vague strat or criticism. then if someone disagreed with them or told them they were wrong, they would go in to great detail to prove how right they were. giving away free strat to players and an audience that you compete with was like watching a battle between ego and common sense. ask for advice and you got very little, tell them they are wrong and they would practically post a dick pic to prove they are right

the good thing is that this doesn't apply to bfi. if you have invested in something or have an idea, you aren't giving it away to competition
Sure, I agree it's far more likely to find constructive collaboration in areas that aren't zero sum. But even in poker (or finance) you find a lot of people who're eager to use forums like this as a sounding board for their thoughts or a variety of other reasons that don't equate to curbstomping noobs. I think it's pretty easy to gauge how sensitive a person may be based on how they post and if you're taking the time to give advice - it's a lot less likely that they'll take it when you condescend.


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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
I have the opposite experience to yours and Abbaddabba's claims. And the research backs me up. Increasing wealth and success is strongly correlated with being confrontational, thriving on conflict, aggression and lower and lower empathy. There's a reason we're finding out that half of Hollywood and politics is raping people. Wealth and success are correlated with narcissism and very low empathy.

That successful people are charming to those where it benefits them to be seen as such, is of course standard. If you met me in person you'd find me likeable.
Your link is dead - not that you'd need data to prove that successful people are emotionally hardened. The difference is in the restraint that they show when talking to people who may not be.

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There's not much for me here in trading wisdom so if I can't be a "douchebag", to quote you, I post a lot less. That's the tradeoff. You've stated your preference, and I'm happy to respect it.

Another amazing trader recently banned is cicakman. Guy has posted at least 7 5+ bagger trades (figure that compounded), and rarely gets it wrong. He told a mod to eat a dick and got a perma for it. He now shares his 5+ baggers privately with some 2p2ers.

Personally I think the real damage done in this forum is the unbridled hysteria by the bitcoin posters. People have a real chance of losing their life savings because of posters in this forum advocating 100% in and no risk. That's a lot worse than being called a cuck. Not your problem, but if we're talking about real world harm, that takes the cake over putdowns and salty language.

Anyway, this is a nice forum, I think the best stock forum on the web by a wide margin, and I think it'll improve again once the market becomes livelier, and there's real strategy to discuss. We're at the top of a long bull without much volatility and no real bargains or killer trades
FWIW I think you're rarely a douchebag and for as low in empathy as you like to see yourself as being you're if anything being far too generous with your time to give people advice you know they won't listen to.
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11-14-2017 , 10:02 PM
ahnuld/jal,

"We" is def not indicative of the overall moderation of BFI. Please see my notes. You do you tho.

de captain,

gl with that. I'd love to hear a discussion of why one should use an HD wallet over Core. Most of the discussions boil down to "How much of a derp are you?" I'm more of a derp than some, far less than others. Enjoy explaining that to the n00bs who are busy pretending a Visa transaction is BTC. Or some derp bought a burrito with BTC.
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11-15-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
hey guys, sorry for chiming in so late here. My place got flooded and I was in a temp plac for a month without most of my stuff making it hard to keep up with 2+2.
Super sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out okay.

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Originally Posted by Mihkel05
ahnuld/jal,

"We" is def not indicative of the overall moderation of BFI. Please see my notes. You do you tho.
I have to admit...I've read this a few times and I'm still not sure what this means.
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11-15-2017 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by de captain
Maybe someone could write and curate a stickied 1st post in the Bitcoin thread for newbie answers about wallets, fees, exchanges, etc.?
If someone reasonably objective wants to do this, we can make something happen.
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11-15-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
Guys,

Just a quick note around moderation...

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So...all that being said, we'll try making more of an effort to try prevent this kind of ridiculousness. Would love feedback or suggestions. In the spirit of what I've just expressed, let's keep that feedback friendly and constructive.
The Boglehead way is to prevent any political discusson on any topics and no personal attacks. At times this seems very limiting, discussing social security without mentioning the fact it is underfunded past 2025 gets problematic. The plus side is it keeps every discussion from devolving into a series of personal attacks. My suggestion would be to more closely model what the BH site is doing, at least in BFI.
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11-15-2017 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
If someone reasonably objective wants to do this, we can make something happen.
Well that excludes all the regular bitcoin posters
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11-15-2017 , 02:40 PM
It would be quite difficult (or misleading) to create a (static) sticky about wallets, fees, exchanges, etc. that had any specific detail because the space changes so fast. A good wallet today could be a very vulnerable project tomorrow based on some unforeseen change. Exchanges have this same issue. Fees are completely unpredictable right now.

A static sticky that is objective would look like this: "Everything changes and you have to do your own diligent research".

Nonetheless imo the most objective viewpoint would be something that multiple or many posters collaborated on.
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11-15-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
If someone reasonably objective wants to do this, we can make something happen.
In my experience whenever people say "if reasonably objective" , they really mean "if i agree with".

It's almost like the "I'm not racist, but... (RACIST REMARK)"

Just think it's funny although somebody has to make that decision and mods are the obvious choice, you're mod for a reason.
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11-15-2017 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by dfgg
Well that excludes all the regular bitcoin posters
What is more interesting to me is why somebody who does not belong to this group would even care.
And then feel the need to tell everybody how much he doesn't care.

But that's something I'll never understand. Unless you're actively shorting BTC, in which case i can respect this and call it fair game.
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11-15-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jalexand42
If someone reasonably objective wants to do this, we can make something happen.
please someone do this. half the posts in the main bitcoin thread are super noob questions most of which had already been asked and answered on the very same page.
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11-15-2017 , 05:01 PM
I'd do it for BTC/ETH/NEO. Not even really joking.
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11-15-2017 , 08:25 PM
I nominate DZ for the sticky simply because I don't remember him writing a "To the Moon!" post in the BTC thread. I can't imagine there are many people willing to take on the task who haven't chanted "To the Moon" repeatedly.

DZ,
I wish you the best of luck. You're going to need it.

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While I certainly agree we don't need additional crypto threads, I do think we need some polls. BFI never really does polls. Is it possible to integrate occasional polls into the existing crypto threads? I thinking polling BFI posters on topics such as "Do you think a SuperPower Government could shut down btc if they wanted to?" or polls regarding security, usability, or "Where do you see btc in 5 yrs?".

I think integrating polls into the btc topic would eliminate some of the scenarios where one or 2 posters basically shout down everyone which causes others to not engage. When a point of contention comes up post a poll and let all of the lurkers positions be known so that we can get a better sense of what people believe. It also creates a bit of accountability.


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While we're at it, I think BFI needs to cultivate the topic of online business & marketing more. At one point several years ago there was even interest in a subforum for the topic. Many BFI posters are running online businesses and it's a high value topic. We should discuss it more.

Last edited by de captain; 11-15-2017 at 08:54 PM.
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11-15-2017 , 08:52 PM
i want to reiterate my belief that all crypto discussion be contained in existing threads.


new threads concerning crypto should be closed.
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11-15-2017 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by NLSoldier
please someone do this. half the posts in the main bitcoin thread are super noob questions most of which had already been asked and answered on the very same page.
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Originally Posted by DoctorZangief
I'd do it for BTC/ETH/NEO. Not even really joking.
yup there is an objective framework right there.
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11-16-2017 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Malachii
This seems like a serious waste. Is there any way that we can get him unbanned? While we're at it, I don't think wil should be banned either - I don't really keep up with twoplustwo gossip, but my impression is that his biggest crime is that he's a conservative on a forum with an extremely vocal and hardcore liberal wing that likes to suppress dissenting views.
Yeah, I don't get the ban on Wil either. He is not even conservative; he's center left/classic liberal type at best. It's just that a lot of the forum has suddenly become part of the insanity left.

Cicakman is a travesty too. That guy was printing lottery tickets.
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11-16-2017 , 10:45 AM
To be fair, his style of arguing was pretty irritating. If you tried arguing against him he would constantly twist your argument and create strawmen.

And I would def consider him center right wing.
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11-16-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mori****a System
Yeah, I don't get the ban on Wil either. He is not even conservative; he's center left/classic liberal type at best. It's just that a lot of the forum has suddenly become part of the insanity left.

Cicakman is a travesty too. That guy was printing lottery tickets.
I had no problem with Wil but just having him around attracted whacko politards who stalked his posts just to seek him out to argue off topic nonsense with him. If we can contain the whack jobs BFI will be a better place.
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11-16-2017 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dfgg
To be fair, his style of arguing was pretty irritating. If you tried arguing against him he would constantly twist your argument and create strawmen.

And I would def consider him center right wing.
Maybe in Europe. In America, he just strikes me as one of those democrat blue dogs, squarely in the center left. He hails from Pennsylvania too, so it seems to fit to a tee.

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I had no problem with Wil but just having him around attracted whacko politards who stalked his posts just to seek him out to argue off topic nonsense with him. If we can contain the whack jobs BFI will be a better place.
Yeah, the insanity left. BFI is a remarkable haven in that regard in that we are relatively shielded from that.
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