It's still a terrible ban, he's a great SMP poster too.

Just posting to say I've enjoyed TS' posts in this sub-forum and hope he is allowed to keep doing so here. No idea about his posts on other sub-forums, haven't read them.

He's back

Nice.

TS returning from his ban

Yeah more or less. It's that he's a polemicist of the highest order, and he posts in this forum ritualistically. I don't think he should have been banned, but it's way more than him just being a little abrasive or arrogant. Doesn't matter at this point since apparently he's unbanned.

The funniest post was the one that said TS wouldn't return because of all of the "bickering".

Yeah that was a highlight for sure . Say what you like about TS he isn't non-confrontational.

Thanks guys. People power. And thanks jalexand for intervening, in honor of you I'll make BFI a cuck-free zone (the word, not the posters; nothing I can do about the latter).

In reality this was all just an elaborate ruse to demoralize ASAP17. I have to say:



As for making the forums better, I'd like to see personal trading logs (real time posting of trades only; all others are worthless/a net negative) from long time users. I think a lot of discussion and learning to be had there, from the winners as well as the losers, and probably more traffic. To participate, you have to have made a post in BFI at least three months prior. That should keep out (most) of the idiots and stock pumpers.

I want to respond to this too.
Here's the thing. People who beat competitive betting systems tend not to be orthodox thinkers. Orthodox thinking gets you an index return minus fees and spread. It's not just a BFI problem - some of the best HSNL players, sports/horse/politics bettors, were douchebags who don't bend to orthodox ideas and norms. We've actually lost a number of highly valuable people with money-generating opinions from those forums because their douchebaggery was deemed a negative, and people who don't like having their opinions or character or prejudices challenged get all butthurt.

Are the forums better for losing these people? I dunno, but I know I can make less money and have fewer fresh ideas coming in with them gone.

agree with this completely as someone who's watched him attempt to argue cryptocurrency for the last few years. he doesn't know what he is talking about but he is articulate and this confuses those who are also not in the know into thinking he is making good points.

What is the justification for his openly fabricated "trading record"? (For an example see the Apple thread where he slightly shifts the time frames of his "advice" to show he is correct, when he is anything but.)

I just really enjoy his views on a variety of business subjects ranging from understanding basic tech implementations to understanding Biz 101 terms. I've never seen someone so convinced of their views, and when obviously proven wrong, so willing to go to absurd lengths of self-deception for internet e-dap. As long as I can just go back and quote when he actually makes his (obviously prolific and frequently conflicting) "trades" or ask him to define basic biz terms, think we'll all be able to gain some sort of utility out of his continued posting.

Considering that you've straight up lied about what I've said, nothing you say is worth anything. You claimed I wanted to short Bitcoin at $250, which was the opposite of my memory, but when you persisted with the out-of-the-blue attack I actually went back and looked at the posts. Turned out I had argued against shorting and twice advocated a strong buy on very sound reasoning which no one else had brought to the thread. You have zero credibility. The end. What's more, you've tarded up the bitcoin thread with constant attacks that have nothing to do with bitcoin or bitcoin arguments, they're purely about me. Hilariously, that had the opposite effect when I went back and quoted the posts calling it a strong buy, and you couldn't find a single post recommending a short. Your hatred for me tarded up the thread for pages. You instigated all of that - I wasn't even posting in the thread, hadn't for two years. I was elsewhere suggesting to a noob that putting his life savings into Bitcoin was risky, that he could ride the bubble up if he wanted but it was far from a sure thing and maybe put <50% in. What was the reason for that attack, out of the blue?

It's doubly puzzling since it was a very reasonable post that more of you bitclowns, had you had any sense of perspective or decency, should be telling people shoving in their life savings rather than "100 bagger from here is a certainty". "Don't put in more than half your money" is what you should be saying. These are real people putting all of their savings into this, not recruits for your ponzi. And it's highly uncertain, unlike at $250 when I called it a strong buy. If BCH wins, for example, they'll lose everything if they bought after July, and all because of people like you.

It's amusing to me I inspire such hatred from you, ASAP17 and mihkel. I saw when logged out that ASAP has been flat out zero-content stalking me for the two weeks since I put him on ignore, which is equal parts funny and weird. Guy's legit got BPD. Mihkel seems to have a bit of a hardon too. I mean, do what you want, but realize you have a problem.

Which elite HSNL players are douches?

Douchebags are in most cases (in my experience) mediocre players who have a chip on their shoulder because they aren't as successful as they think they deserve to be.


People who pick apart others' ideas are seen as *******s by those who're particularly sensitive but nobody gets banned for doing that.

That's definitely the orthodox way of thinking. Maybe you're just not creative enough to recognize the merits of this strategy. The free market, after all, has a way of sorting things out that we can't always understand. What ever happened to personal responsibility amirite?

The merits of this strategy? There are no merits to 100% over 50% of net worth shoved in when risk is non-trivial and the claimed upside is a 100 bagger. If you dispute that, make it 80%. Let's say a guy has 50K in net worth and it would hurt a lot to lose it - a lot of the late buyers are in that category. The difference in utility/loss/risk of your life turning to **** between $50K and broke is far larger than the difference in utility between 100x that money and 50x that money.

As for HSNL players, I haven't followed poker for years, but KaneKungFu is a classic example from the early days. Deep insights, generous with his thoughts, highly successful, a douchebag who was banned 10+ times I think.

There were a number in the sports betting forums too, in fact that forum lost most of its talent because the best sports bettors willing to share their insight were pricks.

I would like a private forum that is invitation only. I guess I am too lazy to set it up on my own . There are some quality posters here, but a lot of potentially interesting discussions become completely sidetracked by fanatics and idiots. Just look at crypto discussions. Would be interesting to discuss how a private blockchain would work for example. If the comments in these threads would actually be of higher quality it would be worth trying to read it. But now I skip over most of them, potentially missing interesting info. Half the posters there don't even grasp really basic economics.

Or discuss trading/investment ideas without it being poached by parasitic posters who don't contribute anything on their own.

And discussions would not be sidetracked by dumb remarks right away, and it is hard to resist arguing against them sometimes.

I think the biggest indictment of where these forums have gone is the fact that, on a website dedicated to advantage gambling, millions of dollars were lost wagering on the election because they shouted down or banned anyone challenging the consensus and ended up turning themselves into absolute donkeys.

My investing/gambling style is to read and absorb as many views as possible, and then use them to come up with my own probability matrix of what I believe is going to occur. This is why I thought for example augie was great challenging Bitcoin supremacy and have absolutely no idea why so many people thought otherwise. He might be wrong, but wouldn't you want to hear his ideas anyway? The history of this forum is that the people who get shouted down by the rabble frequently end up being right.

What I find greatly annoying, and are a 2+2 specialty, are content-free "lolol" type posts that just take up space and insult every user who has to scroll past them. That's a hundred times worse than a well-reasoned or even poorly-reasoned opinion delivered crudely. The posts that are exclusively personal attacks are even worse, of course. And the hit-mobs that employ both ruin the site any time they appear.

I'm curious which winners you think were chased off. The vast bulk of the posts are LC/-EV, but I think most of 2p2 is in agreement with jal that this should be like a bar where we can kick back and shoot the ****. Not everyone is a pro, and that is fine.

The problem is when there is confusion between output and value, and then lots of misrepresentation. I don't think there is a single +EV MMA handicapper that regularly posts on 2p2. I've offered a prop on it, but obv zero takers. Yet it is one of the busiest threads. Do we need to have a bunch of winners? Why would winners be interested in posting some of their dozens of daily positions?

I don't think your accusation is reasonable. Nor do I think the politard threads really suffered from anything other than repeated, absurd SwoopAE politarding. (Maybe a few others, and a lot of post-hoc Nate Silver slurping.) Obviously sports betting turns everyone into an empty and miserable husk of a person. So probably for the best the place is a -EV cesspool, better for humanity in general.

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Never heard of kanekungfu but can point to plenty of examples of high stakes crushers or successful people who are capable of sharing their thoughts without taking every opportunity to knock people down a few pegs. And I find that people who post poker strategy in a condescending way almost never have anything valuable to contribute (can't comment on sports betting).

I get that there're people who have valuable insights whose entire reason for posting is to assert their dominance. That isn't everyone's motive though. And usually that desire fades as people become successful and are happy with their lives.

i haven't followed a poker strat thread in ages but in my experience the best players and strat was an exercise in stroking their own ego. they would post vague strat or criticism. then if someone disagreed with them or told them they were wrong, they would go in to great detail to prove how right they were. giving away free strat to players and an audience that you compete with was like watching a battle between ego and common sense. ask for advice and you got very little, tell them they are wrong and they would practically post a dick pic to prove they are right

the good thing is that this doesn't apply to bfi. if you have invested in something or have an idea, you aren't giving it away to competition

Just out of curiosity, what was your MMA prop?

Any reg could beat day of board lines.

I'd be interested in this as well...can we set it up through 2p2 or would we need our own domain / host? If it's the latter, I could help build it with someone (.Net/C# backend). I'm mostly a lurker here now (because of painful programming projects I work on outside of work) but I've been involved in some pretty competitive pursuits (mtts, electricity trading, now bagholding cyrpto coins ).

we can set up a forum like this if there's enough interest.