Thank you. You help set the tone because you post a lot, so you definitely have the power to help shift it that way. We want the same goal as you - to learn and apply it to increase our edge.


Also, just to +1 ahnuld's last post, clearly the goal isn't to make this some rainbows and unicorns disney movie. This is where the idea of saying what you'd say to someone in the real world (assuming you aren't deranged person) makes a ton of sense and overall adding value matters.

Over/under on TS calling someone a cuck or similar? 5 days and I'll take the under!

clayton 2020 campaign pitch:

i will permaban TS and force turtletom to post only once a day. then i will ban turtletom sometime around february.

make bfi great again. nominate clayton for mod.

+1 for Clayton. Seems legit.

I'm the one who offered to help clean things up.

Overall, the goal when making a post should be to add value in some way. People who follow around others to attack them without adding value, consider yourself warned.

Let's keep insults to a reasonable level and try and be more civil to each other. If you are unable to refrain from acting on your grievances with others, expect to be warned and/or incrementally banned.

I vouch for Larry being a good guy.

I also wish he had been a mod in 2016, I was viciously attacked and the prior regime stood pat.

Just want to say thanks to Larry. Signal to noise has improved. Can we have an off topic thread to keep the main threads more businesslike? A lot of people frustrated and scared and opining over politics and some of us can't help responding. Just move any future politics posts to keep the trading threads focused. And purely off topic spats as well. People will get the hint quickly.

So much money to be made/opportunities discussed at this time, want to foster that and ideas.

I don't post as much any more yet I just received this PM from a (non-BFI) mod:
The malcontents here are now bothering admins for no good reason. Larry and other BFI mods who are still active, this needs to come to a head.

My take is that most of this forum thinks my analysis and content is excellent. There are a few very vocal individuals, mostly of very low posting quality, who are on a warpath to get me banned. They PM each other and coordinate attacks. It's mostly being driven by grimReaper, who's been destroying multiple threads attacking me over and over in an off topic way, taking extraordinary time out his life to attack and lie. It's getting beyond weird, a real obsession, and like obsessions it's showing no sign of abating after months. He now has hundreds of off topic posts across multiple threads talking solely about me. How has this not been actioned???

He's claimed over and over that most of this forum wants me gone. To bring this to a head months ago I've offered him a survivor 5+ times on that claim (regulars vote, mods exile the loser of that vote). grimReaper seems unable to stop with his crazy beef with me, so this seems the most sensible way to keep the person this forum most wants.

Let's force this and bring a resolution. I don't think grim is going to stop his insane crusade and he's a massive net negative while he continues with this. I also don't want to spend time dealing with this any more.

I've provided substantial value to this forum for a long time in bringing data and analysis and fostering discussion. We've had previously obssesed posters (turtletom and ASAP17) and after turtletom's personal attacks were stopped and ASAP17 disappeared, this forum was far more collegial for a year and we did amazing analysis that made people money (corona for example).

Then grimReaper started posting with his obsessed crusade which ruined multiple threads and everything went downhill from there. The oil thread is an excellent example of the kind of off topic craziness he brings to perfectly good threads. My analysis was the best there, highly useful and money making/saving, and he goes absolutely crazy when people give me credit for it, then multiple people have to tell him he's crazy and obsessed and wrong (at which point he starts abusing them): https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...l-dip-1765826/

I don't even jump in to defend myself until this goes for dozens of posts. This is 100% driven by grim and his crazy obsession.

He also claimed 10+ times I didn't call corona lockdowns, showing more proof of a crazy personal bias that has no positives to it (I'm all for criticism, but if it's crazy it's pointless).

All the threads he pollutes are that same thing as the oil thread played out on a longer scale - grim can't follow the logic and has an insane obsession with me. He recruits a few malcontents to his cause, but I think the vast majority of this forum wants me here (minus the nonsense that grim starts). So let's bring this to a head, please. I seem to be an actual obsession for him at this point, mental illness level of obsession (who the hells spends hundreds of posts with no content going after another poster?), and needs to be stopped one way or another.

The most sensible way to me, since many people who trade big money, and good posters, vocally want me here, seems to be to have the regs vote for who they want to stay. Grim should be fine with this since he's claimed 5 times that most regs want me gone.

Actually the most sane way to resolve this would be for grim to stop posting about me at all, but since he's actually obsessed at this point and can't contain it to one thread, and isn't remotely sane in his criticisms (see: the oil thread above, corona claims), I don't think that's going to happen. Since it's clear at this point that grim's obsession isn't going away so one of us needs to go.

P.S. I'd much rather spend my time doing analysis that makes me (and others) money than dealing with this crap and subjecting the forum to his constant off topic attacks. It doesn't' go away if I ignore it, he's obsessed. Is it too much to ask to get of an obsessed stalker who's posted hundreds of off topic posts about me across multiple threads, told to stop it?

I think tooths posting has been totally fine since these beef containment threads have started. IMO there is truth to him sucking the air out of the room etc but by clamping down and these flaming back and forths, that seems to have been minimized. I would say the worst offender for the last while has been grim by a long shot. Even after the mods asked everyone to tighten it up he continued these personal vendettas in content threads. Keep it to the beef or hot tub threads and everything is fine and nobody needs to be moderated

I do think tooth brings value in that he offers strong contrarian arguments. Thats how people learn. It's actually quite a shortcut to learn about bitcoin bulls if someone like tooth is pressing them and you see the group as a whole and their best come up with counterarguments. Its a shortcut in to learning about bitcoin and the mentality of the bulls. You can then pick and choose what ideas you find compelling. That applies to Tesla etc as well. He also curates interesting data points and narratives about the market. Those that can't stand him might disagree with both his analysis and tone, but he's bringing content and discussion. That's kind of the purpose here.

Tooth does create problems but recently I would say he hasn't been doing that, its been others.

IMO this forum doesn't have someone dispensing a ton of wisdom etc. Instead its made up of small pieces of info from a larger group. A lot of that gets extracted from debate. There is also lots of bad info/takes out there and its much easier for people to notice if there's some sort of debate or push back. I think it should be made clear and encouraged for posters to challenge each other. It should also be made clear that if you have a personal vendetta and it devolves in to flaming back and forth, take it out of the content threads. Those that wish to watch a cage fight can also read the designated threads

I can't think of any part of Juans post that I don't agree with

Yea the beef containment thread seems to be working, and it was created by a poster organically and not the mods. So let's allow it to continue and hope it works

I disagree that it's working. I hadn't posted for days in the 2020 trading thread and he's off topic attacking again, which is why I posted here:

This is the 2020 trading thread. WTF does this have to do with trading?

And it doesn't stop there because most of this forum really wants me to keep posting, so this then brings in quite a few people on the other side saying how my posts are very valuable to them, because if they don't the admins get the wrong idea from the few malcontents, who are busy bothering admins. So this then starts another cycle of posts:

(Clayton evidently not seeing the irony above).

This has to stop for good so content threads are more professional. They've gone way downhill since grim's obsession started, from a pretty great place all year this year. This has been entirely driven by grim.

grim should be banned from posting about me outside of the beef thread. The dude is legit obsessed and it's an endless cycle. This could have been over months ago. He's had his say about me at this point with hundreds of off topic posts in content threads.

+1 to this post and not banning TS. The consistent thread derails are getting out of control and doesn't really seem like it's been his fault recently at all.

Disclaimer first: I am obviously biased. I have made no secret of the fact that I think TS is clueless (though he occasionally says some things that make me think).

The TS posts I have seen quoted in TSLA, trading, and coronavirus threads, I would say TS could just snuff those out by admitting the times he was just wrong instead of doubling down with ad-hominem attacks. The combination of inability to admit his mistakes and the willingness to resort to ad-hominem attacks makes TS impossible to engage with intellectually unless you happen to agree with him 100%.

Like I said before, he can be a good catalyst for discussion if heavily moderated. But since it’s obvious nobody wants to babysit TS and the “containment” thread isn’t doing a good enough job to prevent real professional traders from getting sick of TS’ drivel, just ban TS.

TS actually seems to have toned it down quite a bit recently in the BFI threads that I follow. Grim went the other direction, last I checked. If these two would agree to stop addressing each other or at least stop engaging in any statements about the character/intelligence/trading acumen/old posts of the other, it would go a long way.

Totally agree. TS has been fine recently. It’s a joke people bomb on him or anyone else in other threads once again despite this thread.

Imo anyone who makes a post exclusively attacking someone without replying to content in a recent post needs at least a warning.

I think candybar was a great example for all. Agree or disagree, he provides patient responses about content and didn’t let stupid insults thrown his way bog him down.

This whole issue can be solved by Grim putting TS on ignore and stopping his crusade to dredge up every wrong call Tooth has made to try to drag his reputation down. Unfortunately, Grim seems unwilling to do this because he believes he's saving the weaker minded BFI community from falling prey to poor takes from TS. If someone can't research or think for themselves on any posted material in this forum they'll be separated from their money sooner than later regardless of whose advice they follow. I wish folks stuck to arguing investment opportunities or positions and suspended the personal attacks and constant (and often premature or disingenuous) victory laps. That's probably too much to ask of any internet forum, though, so I support multiple points of view and voices being heard as long as they don't spam the forum or abuse other members. Grim is is definitely walking on the wrong side of that line over the last several weeks or months.

I'll stop once Tooth stops lying / changing the narrative and rehashing old discussions like this one.

Narcissism in full display. Examples of excellent:

* S&P <2600 by May
* S&P -40-70% by EOY
* S&P ATH after 2027
* "Great Depression unemployment"
* Meh, it's just a "retail rally"

Like I said, you have nothing BEFORE corona, and nothing AFTER. Don't cry.

How do you know? It's called a Private Message for a reason. The only PM was the one ASAP sent me, which caught you lying about your TSLA scores:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...7&postcount=13

Many do, yes, and some just outright doubt your grandiose trading claims:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...0&postcount=20

Who are these guys:

ToothSayer
TruthSayer
ToothSlayer
ToothSoother
SoothSayer
TruthTeller
TruthSeeker

These aren't any of your accounts (banned or otherwise)? Sleazy ToothSayer creating another freeroll for himself. Dude, we all know you'll never leave if you get banned.I still played along and offered you a ban bet based on our ATH S&P calls. You backed out.

Anyway, this is sufficient to ban Tooth. TruthSayer is at least one banned account that we know of that he owns.

Again narcissism on full display. How was it best? You said you would go long if oil went negative, then ran a victory lap screaming "I CALLED NEGATIVE OIL!", in the end never making a long or short call. Nice freeroll.

FYP. Just provide the post. You failed twice. 3rd time is a charm?

Obviously, I was responding to a post made 2020 trading thread:

You openly admit above you won't stop with your obsessions. I don't lie about anything, nor "change the narrative"; but you're in full obsession mode (mentally ill level obsessiveness; hundreds of posts about me ruining multiple threads) and on the warpath with your version of reality. And since the obsession has full hold of you (and you don't care about this forum), you ruin multiple threads with your crusade.

Even this would be tolerable (just) if you were accurate. But the problem with you is a combination of intense obsession with me and extremely rigid thinking that gets the facts wrong. For example, take the below:
You spent many posts lying (or not being able to read) saying I predicted -70% during this rally. I had never said that, I had said the market would calm and buy up and we'd get a 2008 1929 scenario (massive rip off lows for 1-3 months then the economic destruction hits and it goes back through lows, which is the majority professional take on this market). Eventually you admitted that this was wrong after repeating it many many times and that we were talking about end of year, but the combination of intense obsession and trouble reading/understanding context resulted in you ruining threads for days. I'm left with the choice of having you straight up lie about what I said, over and over (you don't stop, you're obsessed), or trying to correct it, which just perpetuates the cycle.

And you do it again here, repeating old claims and false information:

And again you show the obsessive and repetition of your obsessiveness. This was brought up before and answered, but rigid obsessive thinking prevents you moving on.

I have one politics exile (TruthSayer, the rule at the time with now-shut-down politics forum was that bans from there are politics forum exiles). None of the other accounts are banned. I've never circumvented a ban.

People can read the thread for themselves, it's all display, as is the extreme obsessed thread ruining craziness you bring. Even regulars posting this:

Didn't stop you. You're on a full Don Quixote level crusade to charge at the windmill (me), and it's deep obsession at this point; here we are months and hundreds of off topic posts later and you can't stop. As I said:
I don't know why mods let it go on. Here I am again wasting time rather than doing analysis. All caused by you continuing to ruin threads with an off topic Don Quixote crusade.

Hey Tooth member when you were the equally AIDS Henry17 and you spent all day posting about Amanda Knox?

I member, good times.

Wait you're claiming I'm Henry17? He did have obsessed stalkers as well and was widely regarded as a great poster.

Let's add them all up between the two accounts!

Wrong about:

Tesla
Bitcoin
Apple
Amanda Knox
Netflix
Corona

Going on a decade strong of wrongness, would be hard to do even if you tried.

Back on ignore, loser.

Yeah Henry17 was ran out of the site because of butthurt detractors and doubters.