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06-25-2020 , 09:10 AM
I defend tooth because you guys have such a strange derangement for him that you legitimately don't think clearly when you are obsessing over him. The hope was that a neutral third party talking some sense might resonate with you, if you weren't completely batshit insane, that is.

You never posted anything meaningful, so nothing has changed

If you wonder why I even care, its because at the start of 2017, my IRA account had 3k in it, and its about 100x that today. Lots of people to thank for helping with that. You aren't on that list though.

edit: calling people cowards becasue they aren't doing what you want doesn't actually make you right or justified, it jsut makes you a pathetic c***

Last edited by coordi; 06-25-2020 at 09:16 AM.
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06-25-2020 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
Lots of people to thank for helping with that.
Who is on that list, Coordi?
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06-25-2020 , 02:20 PM
BC123, TS, 12 year old, asianinvasion, ahnuld, soah, Ihor from s3, this one guy on WSB, probably a bunch of others
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06-25-2020 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
I defend tooth because you guys have such a strange derangement for him that you legitimately don't think clearly when you are obsessing over him.
It's funny how it's literally one guy who's at the center of all the hate:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...0&postcount=20

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Originally Posted by coordi
The hope was that a neutral third party talking some sense might resonate with you, if you weren't completely batshit insane, that is.
Lol. Btw, I just scanned some posts. I was wrong about how many times you defend him. It's not 3 or 4 times, it's easily double. But yeah, I have wasted a lot of time arguing against know-it-all, unemployed bum.

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You never posted anything meaningful, so nothing has changed
I know you're just angry and desperate to say something snarky, but I'll humor you:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=5901
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=6169
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=202


Meanwhile, what has Tooth been offering since Corona? Multiple outrageously wrong calls on the S&P. Wrong on TSLA. Wrong about S&P PE analysis. Likely wrong about retail rally. FYI, I'm not interested in rehashing any of these discussions. As stated, he has nothing before and nothing after covid.

And last, what YOU posted that's meaningful?

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Originally Posted by coordi
If you wonder why I even care, its because at the start of 2017, my IRA account had 3k in it, and its about 100x that today. Lots of people to thank for helping with that. You aren't on that list though.
2017? The year Tooth was screaming how overvalued the market was and kept telling us to short AMZN? Got it. In any case, yeah 1000%+ return over a few years sounds very sustainable, keep it up. I look forward to your WSB post.

And how cute. You two take the same trades too

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... It's definitely a short up here, but I'm waiting for this market positivity before adding to the puts I got at $790.
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Pulled the trigger on 8/21 600p @ 16.15 today. I will add a few more if we run up from here
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06-25-2020 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
asianinvasion,
This guy??

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3383

Lol ok man

My response btw:

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Originally Posted by :::grimReaper:::
I'm not a big believer in searching for patterns, but if I had to compare patterns, I would compare it to recent sharp selloffs, e.g. Dec 2018, Aug 2015 etc, or Oct 1987. Instead, you compared an upside-down chart of the S&P against something that's in a completely different asset class. But again, I don't believe patterns drive markets.
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06-25-2020 , 07:29 PM
lol you can suck it grim

this is yolo option pattern covid account.. start date feb 29 or something

ill set goal for 1milly eoy.. see you there


*one of the big losers was a client side ib glitch not showing a reverse position misclick as well
*in b4 sample size

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06-25-2020 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on
lol you can suck it grim
No thanks

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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on
ill set goal for 1milly eoy.. see you there
Gl. Let us know on the progress.

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start date feb 29 or something
...
*in b4 sample size
Well yeah, lol sample size. If you want brag, show multi-year PnL. I mean, I can also look like a king just showing my April/May PnL... it would surpass yours and coordi's "PnL".

Also, you might want to remove the account #.
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06-25-2020 , 11:28 PM
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No thanks



Gl. Let us know on the progress.



Well yeah, lol sample size. If you want brag, show multi-year PnL. I mean, I can also look like a king just showing my April/May PnL... it would surpass yours and coordi's "PnL".

Also, you might want to remove the account #.
Hu4rolls?

And you’re right about acc number. Thx
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06-25-2020 , 11:54 PM
Tooth is a cancer on BFI. Every thread hes in devolves into arguments and or discussions that inevitably end up being all about him.

Hes the common negative element in every thread. Its impossible to have a cordial respectful discussion on anything if hes around.

He sucks all the air out of the room.

Hes been banned multiple times from this website already for a reason. He probably hangs out here because on reddit or other sites he just gets ignored or downvoted. Or banned.

I have him on ignore, but its impossible to really ignore him because hes constantly arguing with everyone (who quote him in-response) and constantly posts walls of disingenuous text usually with only one goal. To gaslight anyone who disagrees with him.
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06-26-2020 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldBoFree
Tooth is a cancer on BFI. Every thread hes in devolves into arguments and or discussions that inevitably end up being all about him.

Hes the common negative element in every thread. Its impossible to have a cordial respectful discussion on anything if hes around.

He sucks all the air out of the room.

Hes been banned multiple times from this website already for a reason. He probably hangs out here because on reddit or other sites he just gets ignored or downvoted. Or banned.

I have him on ignore, but its impossible to really ignore him because hes constantly arguing with everyone (who quote him in-response) and constantly posts walls of disingenuous text usually with only one goal. To gaslight anyone who disagrees with him.
+1

This is a theme
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06-26-2020 , 07:19 AM
It's always the same few malcontents/low value posters rehashing the same stuff vs the vast majority who want me here and many who find me highly valuable.

My favorite is how grim says not to insult people, then in just his last few posts,

- calls a moderator a coward (there's a common theme with him of a toxic inability to see other points of view),
- Mocks the perfectly reasonable idea that we can/should discuss more business topics other than trading in BFI (ditto)
- Calls people "angry and desperate" who are disagreeing with him (ditto)
- Downplays their impressive returns.
- Mocks someone by dishonestly presenting one side (mocks puts that are -40% while ignoring puts that were +1000%).

That's just in the last 10 posts! It's just oceans of endless bad faith with this guy toward everyone. I discuss and disagree on topics, which often generates valuable discussion and insight. Which is great, it's content generating and drills down into stock theses. The trouble is when fragile obsessives like grim show up. At this point he literally has hundreds of off topic posts in BFI purely about me and viciously attacking anyone who defends me or has a different opinion.
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06-26-2020 , 12:43 PM
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Are you guys really arguing about who can predict the market/future?

This is Business, Finance, Investing and I really wish more people discussed something more meaningful. Even crap like taking advantage of CC signup bonuses, 0% credit lines, buying sec8 rentals, flipping junk on ebay, whatever. We are currently showered with money via PPP/etc and hardly any insight here. Just people bitching whether their stock prediction was off, whether bitcoin is money or not, and how many people Covid will kill.

A good discussion starts with good questions. If we continue to have silly threads, silly conversations will follow. Seed with good questions, lock the corrosive topics.
+1

i'm mostly a lurker so who cares but imo threads get clogged with the equivalent of "lol you were wrong about the future when you posted a year ago, idiot" posts. would be great if everyone could check their egos and lighten up.

fwiw i like tooth's posting (except his politics) and am generally against banning anyone. don't have any evidence but i assume 2p2 activity has been trending down for years, banning would really only accelerate this. we're all on the same side bros: let's make money.
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06-26-2020 , 01:26 PM
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+1

i'm mostly a lurker so who cares but imo threads get clogged with the equivalent of "lol you were wrong about the future when you posted a year ago, idiot" posts. would be great if everyone could check their egos and lighten up.

fwiw i like tooth's posting (except his politics) and am generally against banning anyone. don't have any evidence but i assume 2p2 activity has been trending down for years, banning would really only accelerate this. we're all on the same side bros: let's make money.

But, but, but, someone has a different opinion than mine. And they are wrong, wrong, wrong! I have to let the internet know of this travesty!
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06-26-2020 , 01:32 PM
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"lol you were wrong about the future when you posted a year ago, idiot" posts. would be great if everyone could check their egos and lighten up.
It's 100% the abrasive grimReaper which does this (and highly dishonestly too; he'll quote a -40% and not quote a 4 bagger or 10 bagger like he did to coordi just above). Most of us are forward looking and honest but he's just pure cancer in this forum.
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06-26-2020 , 04:41 PM
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It's 100% the abrasive grimReaper which does this (and highly dishonestly too; he'll quote a -40% and not quote a 4 bagger or 10 bagger like he did to coordi just above). Most of us are forward looking and honest but he's just pure cancer in this forum.
Lol who are you trying to convince? You're not a profitable trader (covid included), let alone a pro. Don't cry! Anyone that thinks otherwise has been in BFI for <2 years or has low trading IQ.

As I've said, you have nothing before and nothing after covid and I merely proving the after part showcasing your horrific S&P calls, TSLA calls, and poor market/fundamental understanding.

As for a recent example of dishonesty, just a few posts ago you were trying to downplay how wrong you were:

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I think you had a better take on the market than me 2500->2770.
yet you were clearly bearish >2850.

5/5
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I voted <2600
5/12
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it's time to get short at 2840.

Here you are bullshitting your TSLA scores:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...7&postcount=13

All winners in private chat though!
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06-26-2020 , 04:41 PM
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It's 100% the abrasive grimReaper which does this
Yeah you have never brought up that post from a few years ago, where I quoted someone else’s bull case for Tesla, saying that I was wrong. Almost every time I post in BFI you are there to point out that I have been wrong in the past using that quote. And you don’t even learn when I say that it wasn’t my prediction, a few months later when I am back you again bring it up again. Even when I hadn’t been posting for months you were quoting it making people believe it was my numbers and having people discuss me. It is getting pretty tiring And you saying that it is 100% someone else doing it is pretty telling.

It seem pretty clear that lots of the TSLA longs left the thread because of TS directly or indirectly. Remaining are the shorts who have been ”winning” the debate because nobody has the energy to try to have a civilized debate anymore. Compare the thread’s first 100 post with the last 100 post and there is a great difference in how people were open minded, were sharing experiences and ideas to now where it is mostly vitriol.
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06-26-2020 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldBoFree
Tooth is a cancer on BFI. Every thread hes in devolves into arguments and or discussions that inevitably end up being all about him.

Hes the common negative element in every thread. Its impossible to have a cordial respectful discussion on anything if hes around.

He sucks all the air out of the room.

Hes been banned multiple times from this website already for a reason. He probably hangs out here because on reddit or other sites he just gets ignored or downvoted. Or banned.

I have him on ignore, but its impossible to really ignore him because hes constantly arguing with everyone (who quote him in-response) and constantly posts walls of disingenuous text usually with only one goal. To gaslight anyone who disagrees with him.
+1

There has never been a poster in BFI (2p2?) in the last 10 years (ever?) that has ever been so hated and wanted to get banned and yet still has free reign. Just the "minority" though!

You are you 100% right about Reddit. His trolling ass would never see the light of the day there. They have a much superior system than what we have here.
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06-26-2020 , 06:17 PM
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+1

There has never been a poster in BFI (2p2?) in the last 10 years (ever?) that has ever been so hated and wanted to get banned and yet still has free reign. Just the "minority" though!
Plz either do a heads up survivor or quit this.
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06-26-2020 , 07:14 PM
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Yeah you have never brought up that post from a few years ago, where I quoted someone else’s bull case for Tesla, saying that I was wrong. Almost every time I post in BFI you are there to point out that I have been wrong in the past using that quote.
You came in the thread crowing/abusing the bears and literally asked to be called out!

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Anyway I will make some predictions.

2020: Tesla makes 550k cars
2021: Tesla makes 1M cars
2022: Tesla makes 1.5M cars

2020: Tesla makes $5B in free cash flow
2021: Tesla makes $10B in free cash flow
2022: Tesla makes $15B in free cash flow

Call me out every year, if I am wrong
, at least I can learn something and be less wrong over time...
You literally asked to be called out, every year! When you posted this I then called out your previously amazingly wrong predictions (exactly like the above only 5 years earlier and off by 1-3 orders of magnitude), and quite politely I might add, and now you're crying about it after asking for it? That's some amazing chutzpah, man.

And no, I don't bring up past records unless someone actually asks for it. It's not what I do, I don't have a personal obsession/creepy stalker thing happening like grim does, I like people making predictions and being wrong (or right), we're here to discuss and make money and learn from it. I don't really care about personalities, only thinking/reasoning/thesis quality.

You're continuing the grand tradition of the few people who have a problem with me being the problem themselves. I get in depth on topics/stock theses, bring up contrarian points. 95% of people appreciate it, it generates content, people who follow make money from it, yet you get a few people with fragile egos who've looked the fool once we've drilled into details that get obsessed.

Henry17 (widely regarded a great poster) had the same thing, people turning into stalkers/complainers once they badly lose debates, followed him from thread to thread over hundreds of posts like grim was doing/did. Nothing to do with me, everything to do with fragile egos.

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06-27-2020 , 03:32 PM
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You came in the thread crowing/abusing the bears and literally asked to be called out!
Well played! You are very clever in your defensiveness, I will give you that.

Imo there is a big difference between making a specific date prediction and asking for it to be checked it at the specific time and randomly quoting a non prediction(someone asked for a bull case, and I quoted one) even when I am not active on the forum and then again multiple times most recently a few weeks ago which I think was the forth time you brought up that quote.

If you had quoted my request to be called out I would be fine with that.

Also timeline, first you called me out multiple times for a quote by someone else. Then I did an actual prediction and asked to be called out for that specific prediction at the specific dates. If you cannot see the difference I don’t know.

But again, WP! The problem with being intelligent is that you can win an argument even when you are wrong.
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06-28-2020 , 09:01 AM
To all the active, experienced traders who've been doing this for years:

Why not post your yearly PNLs and add a post mortem to explain why you think you landed on each year's result? Or how, throughout the year, certain mistakes and/or profitable intuitions/analysis/theses helped/hurt you?

I don't understand why so many people just descend into petty squabbles like this. This is BFI. Don't you make money by being robustly dispassionate? You guys all seem like the opposite of that...It doesn't make sense that you'd seek a thorough dismantling of your own thoughts in order provide confidence and a greater certainty about the EV of your potential decisions, but then absolutely lose your **** over certain posters for whatever reason

It's just weird to me that BFI is essentially supposed to be comprised of analysts seeking to filter out noise in order to command a profit in one way or another, but this same pool of posters aren't capable of filtering out noise in the threads bc name calling and walls of texts are cumbersome? Hurt someone's feelings? Does not compute

People stopped posting in these threads because some of you act like children. Simply put, there's nothing to be learned from ToothSayer's poorly chosen words, nor the clearly obsessive and clingy posters who also aren't capable of letting anything go

Post the PNLs. Analyze. Talk about something interesting. Threads like this aren't interesting unless I want an alternative to a petty reality TV show. You guys sound like the Real Housewives of the Internet
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