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02-25-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by InfectorGadget
Even higher? The last year I have had about 30,000 clicks and had only 136 depositors, which is a little on the high side (I target a niche that has bad conversion rates), but 150 click/RMD seems to be common among other peers I have talked to, but this is from "regular" betting websites. Maybe I need to do more social work.
I would agree with that. I entice people in and make them feel like they need an account for instance I may run competitions or challenges on certain sites meaning if they want to be involved they must join. A Link by itself is no good IMO although I am sure DeroDeniro disagrees with all of this
02-25-2014 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tarkyo
Thanks for creating this thread and sharing your experience.


Do you have any tips or guides for newbies?
Create a social hub that people think they need to look at the second they go online. By getting peoples loyalty you are more likely to get them to buy into what you are saying and in turn, sign up to your links
02-25-2014 , 07:12 PM
Don't understand the hate whatsoever.

He never claimed to be some marketing guru, or claiming that he is doing things in the most efficient and optimal way. He is simply saying what worked for him, and offering to share his story. People bashing this guy are ridiculous.

lol @ having to prove he knows what he is talking about... if he doesn't, does he lose his 200k?
02-25-2014 , 08:15 PM
Have you set yourself up as a corporation to get yourself down to 20% tax?
02-25-2014 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rwillia789
Have you set yourself up as a corporation to get yourself down to 20% tax?
I live in Ireland and its 12% corp tax.... The problem is I think ill be earning this sort of money for the foreseeable future so dont really see the point in setting up a company. I still have to pay income tax on it once it goes from the company to me anyway.

I just pay my 50% and have access to all of my money. If I ever thought I would stop earning in XX years I would consider putting some away and paying myself a wage for the next 50 years but at this moment I am enjoying have the cash. Will be buying a house this summer!
02-25-2014 , 09:59 PM
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I live in Ireland and its 12% corp tax.... The problem is I think ill be earning this sort of money for the foreseeable future so dont really see the point in setting up a company. I still have to pay income tax on it once it goes from the company to me anyway.
If you expect to continually make 200k+ annually, and plan to save some of the money, you should consider using a corporation to defer the tax. It quite effective if you plan on starting other ventures down the road. I'm not familiar with the tax laws of Ireland, but if the system is integrated between personal and corporate, there is very little downside to using a corporation when possible.
02-25-2014 , 10:54 PM
Re: The Hate
I make my living doing lead gen online, and I'm sure my sites would be laughed out of BFI so I've not shared them here. Sometimes people land on a formula that works despite mediocre execution.
02-26-2014 , 03:51 AM
Interesting thread, keep it up op. How subtle are when building up a page from scratch?
02-26-2014 , 04:03 AM
How many hours a day do you/did you spend on building up your empire. And also what would be your adivce for someone who is making a website about cameras and film gear. I get about 110 hits a day. Only have about 20 pages worth of content thus far. I made my first affiliate dollars from amazon this week! $6 bucks lol.

Plan on starting a youtube channel where I do vids related to gear. No idea how to approach FB. I have a FB page for my brand, no idea how to build it.
02-26-2014 , 04:46 AM
OFA,

This subforum responds with negativity and skepticism to basically everything. Don't take it personal. Just ignore the haters imo.

Thanks for doing this.
02-26-2014 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by B00T
Don't understand the hate whatsoever.

He never claimed to be some marketing guru, or claiming that he is doing things in the most efficient and optimal way. He is simply saying what worked for him, and offering to share his story. People bashing this guy are ridiculous.

lol @ having to prove he knows what he is talking about... if he doesn't, does he lose his 200k?
Dont know much bout spaceships, but I was messing about in the garage and just managed to throw something together in my spare time. Just got back from Mars. Got lucky I guess. Ask me anything.

If someone claims to be outperforming other actors in a given field all of whom have much more expertise,skill and experience and also prefaces that claim with meh did not take much effort and time and no expenses, then its wholly rational to treat that claim with scepticism. Anything else is off the charts naive stupidity. This is all leveraged up the wazoo just by inherent nature of the field itself, the most bull**** filled field possible. Affiliate marketing on the the interwebs.

Also lol at just blithely accepting his 200K claim,Want to buy a bridge?

Does not mean you have to discount them completely of course. Just hold a rational detachment.

Last edited by O.A.F.K.1.1; 02-26-2014 at 06:04 AM.
02-26-2014 , 06:34 AM
def get your tax affairs in order - no way on earth you'd catch me paying 50%. a cheap accountant could be saving you tens of thousands a year.
02-26-2014 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Swalker
Interesting thread, keep it up op. How subtle are when building up a page from scratch?
Not sure what you mean by subtle? Can you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by john voight
How many hours a day do you/did you spend on building up your empire. And also what would be your adivce for someone who is making a website about cameras and film gear. I get about 110 hits a day. Only have about 20 pages worth of content thus far. I made my first affiliate dollars from amazon this week! $6 bucks lol.

Plan on starting a youtube channel where I do vids related to gear. No idea how to approach FB. I have a FB page for my brand, no idea how to build it.
To begin with I was doing it because I enjoyed running a page (God complex?) so spent every spare hour I had on it without feeling tired! So every evening and all day at the weekends!

In terms of website hits etc I am not the man to talk to about SEO but I am a big fan of the idea of directing traffic through other means IE A Facebook page or a Youtube channel. I heard that you earn about $1 per 1000 hits on YouTube (One of my lecturers in college had a very successful YouTube channel and told me this) so if it was me I would upload videos but put links to your website in them and focus on that rather than the few $ you may earn from YouTube ads.

In terms of growing that sort of Facebook page perhaps you can take something from my thoughts on what drives people to Like pages in the first place:
I believe people want to be a part of a community and will generally hunt out their interests online. The thing is though, people may love photography but that does not mean they will like a photography page. They may click on to it but once they see your content they may quickly move on to the next thing they were interested in. I believe people want to be entertained and my theory is backed up by all of these HUGE brands allowing their Facebook pages to post a lot of off topic material (Just take a look at Paddy Powers Facebook page for a lesson in marketing).

As I said previously, if it was me I would spend most of my time building my Facebook page without advertising what I was trying to sell people otherwise you are just another spam page and people are wise to that where as if you make your page about adding value to peoples online experience IE you entertain them in some way, there is a much bigger chance they will click the "LIKE" button.
Obviously you cant just post sources of entertainment for people as some people will genuinely want to hear about cameras etc.
So how would I address this? Well, have you ever seen a post on Facebook and felt compelled to comment on it even though you do not know anyone in the discussion? The reason for that is humans love to give their opinions on things. I often start a debate on my pages for no reason other than to gain activity IE the other day I said "Who should go to the World Cup" and got over 300 comments of people giving their opinions..... This can apply to any page IMO and posting a picture of a camera (For example) and asking people what they think can be just as good as anything I do in terms of getting activity on my pages.

Obviously I am sure that "DeroDeniro" will say that every part of this is BS but honestly, who cares about his opinion?

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Dont know much bout spaceships, but I was messing about in the garage and just managed to throw something together in my spare time. Just got back from Mars. Got lucky I guess. Ask me anything.

If someone claims to be outperforming other actors in a given field all of whom have much more expertise,skill and experience and also prefaces that claim with meh did not take much effort and time and no expenses, then its wholly rational to treat that claim with scepticism. Anything else is off the charts naive stupidity. This is all leveraged up the wazoo just by inherent nature of the field itself, the most bull**** filled field possible. Affiliate marketing on the the interwebs.

Also lol at just blithely accepting his 200K claim,Want to buy a bridge?

Does not mean you have to discount them completely of course. Just hold a rational detachment.
Who said anything about 200k? I made over €250,000.

Seriously though, you have made your thoughts clear to all. Now please stop posting in this thread because you have not actually said anything but spin and your analogy of the space ship is absolutely appalling as if you did manage to do that I would be 100% interested in asking you questions about it.

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Originally Posted by rwillia789
def get your tax affairs in order - no way on earth you'd catch me paying 50%. a cheap accountant could be saving you tens of thousands a year.
Not sure how though? I have 2 accountants but if I take 280k from AM and spend nothing on overheads but my general living expenses etc there is not a huge amount they can do to get that figure down!
02-26-2014 , 08:58 AM
The spaceship analogy is totally on the money. The point is how likely am I to have done that.

The fact that we now have low post count randoms popping in to back you up, has raised the % that this ends in some play by you.

You realise this has happened before right?

Its a stone cold fact that the % you are a fraud is much higher than the % you are genuine and so far nothing you have done itt has moved those % in your favour.

Its not 100% tho so dont stop keep posting the really vague advice, lets see what happens.

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02-26-2014 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Its a stone cold fact that the % you are a fraud is much higher than the % you are genuine and so far nothing you have done itt has moved those % in your favour.
[ ] Understands what a fact is
02-26-2014 , 10:04 AM
[ ] understands probabilities
02-26-2014 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Dont know much bout spaceships, but I was messing about in the garage and just managed to throw something together in my spare time. Just got back from Mars. Got lucky I guess. Ask me anything.

If someone claims to be outperforming other actors in a given field all of whom have much more expertise,skill and experience and also prefaces that claim with meh did not take much effort and time and no expenses, then its wholly rational to treat that claim with scepticism. Anything else is off the charts naive stupidity. This is all leveraged up the wazoo just by inherent nature of the field itself, the most bull**** filled field possible. Affiliate marketing on the the interwebs.

Also lol at just blithely accepting his 200K claim,Want to buy a bridge?

Does not mean you have to discount them completely of course. Just hold a rational detachment.
Outperforming other actors in a given field? I personally am acquainted with at least two other people who have made in excess of $1m/year with affiliate marketing related work.

I haven't really read the rest of the thread so I'm not verifying the OP just your incorrectness of your assessment.
02-26-2014 , 10:25 AM
Would you say they have a high level of expertise?

Like any industry there will be some doing exceptionally well, but if you think the average person who we will say is of average competence/expertise in this field is making 250K a year, then no. Also its a competitive industry where space is important. If your friends have the right/dominant space for visitors clicks and conversions, that actually makes it less likely that there are high numbers making that kind of bank in that area.

I am far from incorrect.
02-26-2014 , 10:47 AM
It's really tough to take threads like this seriously if you've been around BFI for awhile. Threads like this, by relatively unknown posters, pop up a couple of times per yr and historically most of them have proven to be spam.

I'm not saying that's the case here but when you've seen a pattern over several years it'd be foolish not to be skeptical.

Op,
Do you use any banner advertising? Do you have any recommendations in that area?
02-26-2014 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Would you say they have a high level of expertise?

Like any industry there will be some doing exceptionally well, but if you think the average person who we will say is of average competence/expertise in this field is making 250K a year, then no. Also its a competitive industry where space is important. If your friends have the right/dominant space for visitors clicks and conversions, that actually makes it less likely that there are high numbers making that kind of bank in that area.

I am far from incorrect.
Not really sure why you need a high level of expertise to make money from AM?

It can be as simple as setting up a Facebook page and advertising links. Please tell me what is so complex about that?

My 14 year old sister would have the ability to do that
02-26-2014 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by de captain
It's really tough to take threads like this seriously if you've been around BFI for awhile. Threads like this, by relatively unknown posters, pop up a couple of times per yr and historically most of them have proven to be spam.

I'm not saying that's the case here but when you've seen a pattern over several years it'd be foolish not to be skeptical.

Op,
Do you use any banner advertising? Do you have any recommendations in that area?
Not got a huge amount of experience in Banner advertising mainly because (as mentioned) approx 95% of my earnings come from Social Media sites where you can not really customise banners etc.

99% of my sign ups would come from posts such as this (Covered the affiliate link so I am not breaching BFI rules)




Again, I am not sure why people are saying I am trying to scam. I have not asked anyone for anything and I will not be asking anyone for anything. If an admin can check my PMs they can verify I have either ignored or sent decline responses to all of the people who have offered me money in exchange for help.
02-26-2014 , 11:01 AM
just keep everything in the company name, pay your corporation tax at 16% then liquidate the company in a tax haven when it dries up and you can afford to live abroad for 6 months to get all the money out for around 10% transaction fee/tax. if you need to you can just liquidate and start a new company or have a separate company for every bit of AM income you get (eg each bookie).

any good tax avoidance accountant/lawyer will encourage you to do this im sure
02-26-2014 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rwillia789
just keep everything in the company name, pay your corporation tax at 16% then liquidate the company in a tax haven when it dries up and you can afford to live abroad for 6 months to get all the money out for around 10% transaction fee/tax. if you need to you can just liquidate and start a new company or have a separate company for every bit of AM income you get (eg each bookie).

any good tax avoidance accountant/lawyer will encourage you to do this im sure
Interesting.

My best friend is an accountant for the last 10 years and did all of my books etc so perhaps I should pay someone else for some advice?
02-26-2014 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OFA
Not really sure why you need a high level of expertise to make money from AM?

It can be as simple as setting up a Facebook page and advertising links. Please tell me what is so complex about that?

My 14 year old sister would have the ability to do that
Not sure what to say to this utter tripe. Yea any 14 year old girl can make 250K via AM on the internet, its that easy.
02-26-2014 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Not sure what to say to this utter tripe. Yea any 14 year old girl can make 250K via AM on the internet, its that easy.
Wow... Good job on twisting that!

      
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