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ARK ETF's as Long-Term Investment Vehicle? ARK ETF's as Long-Term Investment Vehicle?

02-07-2021 , 01:07 AM
I am looking for the best ETF's for the next 10-15 years and have $200K to put towards that goal. Does putting 40K each into ARKK (https://ark-funds.com/arkk#performance), ARKQ (https://ark-funds.com/arkq#performance), ARKW (https://ark-funds.com/arkw#performance), ARKG (https://ark-funds.com/arkg#performance) and ARKF (https://ark-funds.com/fintech-etf#performance) make sense?

At this point my investment portfolio + my 401K's are around $800K and I am in my late 30's. $300K are in a few large cap stocks (with GOOG being a major position) and several index funds and $500K is in cash (after exiting some major positions). I can afford not to touch those $200K for 10-15 years and am looking for the best investment options that would give me a good shot of having $1Mil or so in 10-15 years. If they underperform the market, that would suck, but wouldn't kill me.

The thesis is that with those actively managed IPO's Katie and Co. can pick investments in pre-IPO/early stages and her connection with Elon Musk and others gives her definite advantages in terms of getting in early on those. On my end, I am tired of doing a lot of active trading/managing and want someone who can potentially get hedge fund level returns for me.

Also, if the market is overvalued right now, which it might very well be, exponential growth/new technology companies, like the ones in ARK portfolios will still have a higher chance of pulling through/recovering then general US large cap funds. Also, I feel like a lot of large cap US companies might be disrupted/not be around in 10 years, while some of the companies in the innovation type sectors might grow 20x, which will more than account for other speculative ARK components that will go busto. Opinions?
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02-07-2021 , 01:46 AM
Well ARKG is the hot one right now as Cathie said she expects the most upside surprises to come from that sector.

I would just pick one and go with it instead of spreading it out. They all have decent overlap with each other anyways so it would be very redundant to buy them all.

Personally I'm a believer and agree with most of her takes.

If I were you I'd probably just put it all in ARKK as that's kind of the blend of all the sectors they look at. You still get the exposure to CRSP, TDOC and NVTA.
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02-07-2021 , 04:37 AM
No. Chasing the hottest ETFs in the hottest sectors that have already seen massive inflows, after an epic decade-long bull market, is not very smart. There is no good reason to expect speculative/“new technology” stocks to outperform; if anything I would bet the opposite. And those stocks will likely do much worse in a serious market correction or recession, not better. You’re better off just buying VTI.
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02-07-2021 , 07:06 AM
it's the ultimate bubble ETF so should work for at least few more months
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02-07-2021 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AALegend
I am looking for the best ETF's for the next 10-15 years and have $200K to put towards that goal. Does putting 40K each into ARKK (https://ark-funds.com/arkk#performance), ARKQ (https://ark-funds.com/arkq#performance), ARKW (https://ark-funds.com/arkw#performance), ARKG (https://ark-funds.com/arkg#performance) and ARKF (https://ark-funds.com/fintech-etf#performance) make sense?

At this point my investment portfolio + my 401K's are around $800K and I am in my late 30's. $300K are in a few large cap stocks (with GOOG being a major position) and several index funds and $500K is in cash (after exiting some major positions). I can afford not to touch those $200K for 10-15 years and am looking for the best investment options that would give me a good shot of having $1Mil or so in 10-15 years. If they underperform the market, that would suck, but wouldn't kill me.

The thesis is that with those actively managed IPO's Katie and Co. can pick investments in pre-IPO/early stages and her connection with Elon Musk and others gives her definite advantages in terms of getting in early on those. On my end, I am tired of doing a lot of active trading/managing and want someone who can potentially get hedge fund level returns for me.

Also, if the market is overvalued right now, which it might very well be, exponential growth/new technology companies, like the ones in ARK portfolios will still have a higher chance of pulling through/recovering then general US large cap funds. Also, I feel like a lot of large cap US companies might be disrupted/not be around in 10 years, while some of the companies in the innovation type sectors might grow 20x, which will more than account for other speculative ARK components that will go busto. Opinions?
Probably keep going up but when something is too good to be true, it usually is. I don't have any better advice though.
They just came out with merch so that is reason enough to steer clear.
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02-07-2021 , 09:08 AM
Hey AA Legend,

I have positions in three ARK ETF's. My Biggest position is the ARKG mostly based on listening to Cathie Wood's talks and her prediction that genomics has the biggest potential upside. Still it represents only 0.5% of my portfolio.

I also have stakes in ARKF which I personally think has the biggest upside. Ms. Wood's talk in South Africa about 1 year ago really got me interested in the future of finance/currency/blockchain. Here is a link to Ms. Wood's talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE6u67Ph768

I also have a stake in ARKW. Again about 0.5% of my portfolio. The bulk of my portfolio is in Vanguard VFIAX. When I say bulk roughly 50%. I have about 20% in VGT and another 20% in VWIGX which is Vanguard's International Growth and has been producing great returns mostly due to their positions in Tesla, MercadoLibre, & Amazon.

If you trade with Fidelity their FSPTX is also a solid performing mutual fund with good management.

I also have about 10% of my portfolio in individual stocks. When ARK releases their 13F on February 15th, I'll review what they've been adding, especially new positions and wait for an opportunity to jump on them as well.

https://whalewisdom.com/stock/arkk

Hope this information is useful. I'm by no means a market expert, but really enjoy reading about the market and listening to people way smarter & better informed.
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02-07-2021 , 11:07 AM
One of my holdings got added to the printer fund (PYR.TO) and without any other news it's up 60% in two weeks. ARK has become so popular that just getting into one of the etfs will move the share price significantly.
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02-07-2021 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bursito
One of my holdings got added to the printer fund (PYR.TO) and without any other news it's up 60% in two weeks. ARK has become so popular that just getting into one of the etfs will move the share price significantly.
This. It’s a virtuous cycle inflating prices for so long until it bursts
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02-07-2021 , 12:19 PM
I'd hold out for ARKX for some of that. But yeah, you should consider diversifying with some index funds sprinkled in, as well as other sectors (BETZ has almost doubled since its inception last summer).
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02-07-2021 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
This. It’s a virtuous cycle inflating prices for so long until it bursts
I tend to agree although I've been viewing it more as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Reasonable valuation has been thrown completely out the window. It's all just speculative fervor, getting excited about the future and lopping up any BS narrative about the best possible future a company can have, and pricing stocks up and up until we're reaching the price point where the stock should be under its best case scenario in two or three years (I dunno what timeframe tbh, am very newb with fundamentals)...now. All that being said, I'm trying to ride the wave with them.

Disclaimer: I'm a newb. I've done well trading, but when it comes to investing and fundamentals, I don't know all that much. That's just the strong impression that I have. The charts and comparing valuations versus actual fundamentals right now all speak for themselves imo.
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02-08-2021 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
I tend to agree although I've been viewing it more as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Reasonable valuation has been thrown completely out the window. It's all just speculative fervor, getting excited about the future and lopping up any BS narrative about the best possible future a company can have, and pricing stocks up and up until we're reaching the price point where the stock should be under its best case scenario in two or three years (I dunno what timeframe tbh, am very newb with fundamentals)...now. All that being said, I'm trying to ride the wave with them.

Disclaimer: I'm a newb. I've done well trading, but when it comes to investing and fundamentals, I don't know all that much. That's just the strong impression that I have. The charts and comparing valuations versus actual fundamentals right now all speak for themselves imo.

Cathie Wood is a very impressive person and has a compelling view of the future. I have a small stake, but mean reversion is a thing and this spec fervor is alarming.
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02-08-2021 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
Cathie Wood is a very impressive person and has a compelling view of the future. I have a small stake, but mean reversion is a thing and this spec fervor is alarming.
If you like bullshit artists who do a little reading on the side.
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02-08-2021 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by n00b590
No. Chasing the hottest ETFs in the hottest sectors that have already seen massive inflows, after an epic decade-long bull market, is not very smart. There is no good reason to expect speculative/“new technology” stocks to outperform; if anything I would bet the opposite. And those stocks will likely do much worse in a serious market correction or recession, not better. You’re better off just buying VTI.
Pretty much this, every bull-market has their Cathie Woods that flip heads 100x in a row, did people already forget when she posted her Tesla model publicly it had such major errors like you could input 0 cars sold in 2025 and it was still showing a $4000 price or something lol.

If you want to speculate better off buying the ishares genomics immunology and healthcare ETF (IDNA) with a .47% expense ratio over ARKG at .75%.
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02-10-2021 , 12:28 PM


how long does the music play here, i don't know. i'm not a buyer at these levels. inflation lurking (but CPI print today downticked). i thought it was very telling that ARK saw outflows during GME extravaganza. retail is pumping. keeping an eye on individual components that I like in case I can ever buy them on sale.
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02-10-2021 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AALegend
Also, if the market is overvalued right now, which it might very well be, exponential growth/new technology companies, like the ones in ARK portfolios will still have a higher chance of pulling through/recovering then general US large cap funds.
also not sure i agree w this but obv depends on the large cap fund. large caps will have companies that are profitable and have cash on hand; that's the kind of company you feel good about not going busto during a recession. the company that is burning money and depending on VC/Stonks to keep them afloat until future monopoly is the kind of company that gets actually murdered during a recession.
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02-10-2021 , 12:44 PM
If I was buying an ETF I would be going the other way than chasing this.
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02-11-2021 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
If I was buying an ETF I would be going the other way than chasing this.
What are some examples of the other way? Like VYM - Vanguard High Dividend Yield ETF or VTV - Vanguard Value ETF?

or do you other option that you recommend? Thanks.
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02-12-2021 , 09:11 AM


all very self-fulfilling
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02-12-2021 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FRGCardinal
I'd hold out for ARKX for some of that. But yeah, you should consider diversifying with some index funds sprinkled in, as well as other sectors (BETZ has almost doubled since its inception last summer).
i have ARKK and ARKW. My brother was telling me about upcoming ARKX. Ill get me some of that too.
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02-12-2021 , 02:08 PM
I own ARKF and think it has a lot of upside. Good way to get some crypto/blockchain exposure also. Other ARK funds are good also I just like the financial sector the best right now.

It is true they have run up like crazy so the question is whether you are chasing performance or if the manager really has a rare Buffet-like ability to pick companies.

Basically it comes down to the holdings. For example ARKK has more Tesla than I really like. But if you love Tesla that will change your opinion. But overall I don't think Wood has just been lucky. Her track record is undeniably spectacular thus far.
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02-12-2021 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
I own ARKF and think it has a lot of upside. Good way to get some crypto/blockchain exposure also. Other ARK funds are good also I just like the financial sector the best right now.
cool, added some ARKF
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02-14-2021 , 12:37 PM
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It is true they have run up like crazy so the question is whether you are chasing performance or if the manager really has a rare Buffet-like ability to pick companies.
This is not the question. A coin-flipper has gotten lucky. There's nothing to see here.
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02-16-2021 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ahnuld
If I was buying an ETF I would be going the other way than chasing this.
Suggestions?
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02-16-2021 , 08:18 PM
VIVAX?
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02-24-2021 , 01:49 PM
Cathy going into Martingale mode last few days.
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