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01-25-2010 , 04:17 PM
Hello Everyone

I know that it is all speculation, but me and a friend plan on betting on the iSlate first year sales. Assuming that it is not subsidized by any company, any thought on a good spot to place the bet? One of the analyst said that 3 million was their base modelling number, and 5 million was the upper end. I am going against apple here (really don't want to hear the merits of the product/apple) do you think 3.75 million units would be a good spot to get 1:1 odds?
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01-25-2010 , 04:26 PM
I don't see how they are going to do so well with this. Not that it means anything. If I had to choose a side, I would definitely take under 3.75m.
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01-25-2010 , 05:16 PM
Depends on the features that go along with it. If they do pick up the textbook market as I predicted in an old trading thread (although that looks semi-unlikely now), I'll take the over.

Edit: Going to add on that for comparison, tablets like the Cintiq from Wacom are priced around $1k and seem to do fine, although their market is tiny relatively. The takeaway, I guess, is that the market is potentially huge because of the potential feature set, competing vs. BKS, AMZN, Wacom, Archos, MSFT, etc.
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01-25-2010 , 06:06 PM
right now I'd take the under at 3.5m.

we have no idea though as to what exactly it is going to have features wise. Also pricing is obv going to be a factor.

aapl just had sick earnings a few mins ago
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01-25-2010 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sc000t
aapl just had sick earnings a few mins ago
distorted by accounting change
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01-25-2010 , 06:31 PM
^^^^^
+1
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01-25-2010 , 06:35 PM
they haven't actually announced the product right, yet? so there is no price point, features list, etc.?
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01-25-2010 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Plastic
they haven't actually announced the product right, yet? so there is no price point, features list, etc.?
Correct.
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01-25-2010 , 06:36 PM
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distorted by accounting change
Can you explain this, or give me a link to this info?
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01-25-2010 , 06:38 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/app...5?siteid=yhoof

This is the marketwatch that just came out about it, and no they have not announced it, but me and my buddy are anticipating it, hence why we are talking about the over/under now
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01-26-2010 , 06:23 AM
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01-26-2010 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rustjive
Been thinking about this idea for a while, just can't think of a pair to make it market neutral, although it is paired against a few things. I haven't pulled the trigger on it because I'm uncertain as to how the general market will perform on a 1 to 3 month timeline, so w/o a good pair it's still just an idea.

The long half of it is AAPL. The idea is the tablet. This is nothing that most people haven't thought about and is nothing special from an investment idea POV. I do think it will overperform relative to the median expectation, but a lot of variables up in the air.

The short side of it is AMZN, which is also sort of obvious (but will elaborate), and BKS.

This isn't really an e-reader play, although obviously it's a part of it. I'll break it down as such:

AAPL:
1. Strategically the tablet is stronger than most analysts realize. Apple has long contended that they cannot and will not make a sub-1k computer, because 'they don't know how to make a good one at that price'. That's horse**** - their margins are higher than everyone else in the industry, and their prices reflect Apple's hope that the public considers Macs a luxury good. Although recently the Oppenheimer guy has come out and predicted that the tablet will be @ a $1k price point, I disagree (although I don't have any specific info) because:
- at that price point they constrain themselves for upgrades
- they won't be able to occupy that sweet spot for people who want more fully featured netbooks, a market that Apple said they weren't all that interested in, yet they watched helplessly as tons of these things were turned into functional Hackintoshes
- won't be able to compete directly w/ the Kindle DX
2. Competing with the Kindle DX is an under-discussed advantage of the prospective tablet. The DX was aimed at textbooks and students, priced at $489, but it's failed woefully in that regard. Students hated it in pilot programs at Princeton, moaning about the difficulty of note-taking, among other things. A capacitive touchscreen is built for note-taking, especially if it accommodates a stylus. Apple already has built in marketing for the tablet through Apple Stores on a huge # of campuses around the country. These will give discounts to students to make the tablet even more price competitive w/ the Kindle, while still allowing the Apple to set the list price where they want to.
3. Even before announcing anything solid re: the hardware or software OR distribution terms, publishers are bending over backwards in anticipation for the tablet. This speaks volumes about the distribution power of iTunes as a platform, but it also sheds a bit of insight into how dissatisfied publishers are w/ Amazon's terms.

AMZN:
1. First and foremost, this is here because I can't think of a great pair. It seems like it's a natural pair because of the e-reader aspect, but AMZN is a retailer that happens to be a tech company, and they're likely crushing B&M retailers for the holiday season.
2. Kindle DX blows. As discussed above.
3. The terms AMZN gives to publishers is a 50/50 split for non exclusive books, and 30/70 (Amazon/publisher) for exclusives. Apple is apparently proposing 30/70 for non-exclusives. That gap is going to narrow in a hurry or Amazon is going to see its catalog shrink.

BKS:
1. The real loser in all of this. Nothing against the Nook, or books in general, but if Kindle DX is the first target for the tablet then textbooks are the target. BKS is a big player in the college bookstore market (around 30% of BKS revenue), where a significant portion of revenues is from huge markups in used textbooks. Cover the iTunes eBooks in DRM and this market shrinks significantly. New textbook revenue will also shrink.
2. eBooks have been around for a while, and BKS has done semi-okay over this period, but they've never been distributed by a content platform like iTunes.

Book publishers are probably going to take it in the ass too, but they have been for a while and now they might finally be able to make it up in terms of units sold, despite prices getting crushed.

maybe more later
Whoops, didn't think that BKS might be a PARTNER.

With today's rumor that BKS is the partner, I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on this. With AAPL doing okay and AMZN likely to take it in the butt a bit, and BKS up today, it would've been 'a wash' with long AAPL, short AMZN, short BKS - except for the fact that my likely position sizing would've resulted in me getting killed.

Last edited by Rustjive; 01-26-2010 at 12:09 PM.
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01-26-2010 , 12:09 PM
IF they make this thing anything like their laptops, I wont be buying it. Apple has a great OS but the actual hardware/laptop is a piece of junk and poorly made. Similar to their Ipods, they get you to keep buying more and more of their cheaply made products and sell it at huge prices. Works great. But again, if the Tablet is cheaply made like their laptops I shall pass.
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01-26-2010 , 01:14 PM
So with the tablet announcement Wednesday...

Is this a buy the rumor, sell the news situation?
Or would you hold a strong Apple position for the presentation?
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01-27-2010 , 02:20 PM
ipad
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01-27-2010 , 02:20 PM
Geez its an over sized Iphone/Ipod. Yawn. I think I shall pass, but I love the Itouch for my music.
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01-27-2010 , 02:22 PM
so far, nothing unexpected.

stock dropping.
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01-27-2010 , 02:26 PM
so far it's an oversized iphone with no phone.

will they (jobs) give pricing at the event?
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01-27-2010 , 02:34 PM
9.7 inch display
half an inch thick
1.5 pounds

battery life of 10 hours

1GHz A4 chip

16-64 GB

has wifi
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01-27-2010 , 02:58 PM
iPad- maybe women can use it for Aunt Flo?
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01-27-2010 , 03:02 PM
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iPad- maybe women can use it for Aunt Flo?
there's an app for that...
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01-27-2010 , 03:19 PM
pricing is good
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01-27-2010 , 03:27 PM
$499 for 16GB with just wifi

up to

$829 for 64GB with 3G and wifi


ATT plans for $15 a month for 250MB

unlimited plan for $25

think they said no contracts as well...it's prepaid
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01-27-2010 , 03:36 PM
Apple needs to pull out a new rabbit out of the hat every year to justify their generous valuation. Have they hit a brick wall this time? On the other hand: betting against Steve Jobs has never made anyone rich.
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