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Old 09-07-2018, 12:00 PM   #826
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Re: Apple discussion thread

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Old 09-14-2018, 05:17 PM   #827
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Re: Apple discussion thread

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Old 09-14-2018, 09:02 PM   #828
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iPhones are faster than Android phones and the gap is increasing. (This is before lol carrier bloatware.)

The bull case is obvious. They make a superior product with proprietary hardware that runs super fast in their walled garden. As phones grow in complexity and are required to do more computing as time passes this edge will grow. This would require some knowledge of the underlying tech tho.

But atleast I don't need to use random endpoints to make a false claim. (AAPL has outperformed the index since you started rambling here TS.)
Yeah, as someone who owns both phones, the gap is almost laughable. The brand new Samsung camera is absurdly worse than the iphone7 camera. Just awful. That alone is enough for a bull case in 2018.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:05 PM   #829
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So your claim is that the Android operating system/ecosystem is going to remain inferior because it's slower?

All hardware is proprietary hardware. Samsung hardware is more proprietary than Apple's, as they make most of their own components and many of Apple's. So your use of proprietary here is just silly.

I personally find iPhones slow and annoying. Galaxies are snappier and more feature rich. I have an iPhone because of a nice clean user experience. I contend that's their only advantage that matters, and why they can sell for a premium. It won't last though, as phone interfaces changes and start having to interface with the world. Apple's walled garden is doomed; it was fine while phones were self contained packages that ran phone-specific software.


I turned up here exactly five years ago in one week, having just bought Microsoft LEAPS and recommending Microsoft over Apple. Since then:



<shrugs>
Your taste in phones clearly sucks.

For what it's worth, at that time, I had a look at Microsoft per your rec. I bought a bunch of it. I also, reloaded up on Apple too. Been holding ever since.

This is how non dogmatic minds work.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:22 PM   #830
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Yeah, as someone who owns both phones, the gap is almost laughable. The brand new Samsung camera is absurdly worse than the iphone7 camera. Just awful. That alone is enough for a bull case in 2018.
This is the way I feel about the cameras too but most Asian exchange students (girls especially) prefer the more processed look of Samsung. They basically consider the slightly washed look a feature.

A lot of them use iphone apps to take pictures that basically auto applies makeup like filters (including some lightening it seems to me) and the results look rather Samsung-ish.

I think this may be a case of Android makers (Samsung in particular but others too) pandering to its customer base.
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Old 09-15-2018, 06:41 AM   #831
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For me, and with that I think for many, the utility we derive from an iphone is definately larger than the $1200/2yrs you pay for one. When a phone on itself is cheap, i don't give a **** if a certain chinese phone or whatever is $400 cheaper and has a better camera or what not if it's not compatible with the entire iOS universe.
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He also called the iPhone "enormously underpriced," saying that it's worth far more than the $1,000 Apple charges.

"I have a plane that costs me a lot, a million dollars a year or something of the sort. If I used the iPhone -- I use an iPad a lot -- if I used the iPhone like all my friends do, I would rather give up the plane," he said.

"Now it's got competition so you can't push the price, but in terms of its utility to people and what they get for a thousand dollars...you can have a dinner party that would cost that, and here this is, and what it does for you, it's incredible."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/30/warr...-recently.html

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Old 09-15-2018, 09:18 AM   #832
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Yeah, as someone who owns both phones, the gap is almost laughable. The brand new Samsung camera is absurdly worse than the iphone7 camera. Just awful. That alone is enough for a bull case in 2018.
Objective analysis (in other words, not you) shows the cameras to work out equally, small pluses and minuses in both. Side by side shots show equal clarity, color, range, again with small pluses and minuses. Clearly you're just deluded.
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I personally find iPhones slow and annoying. Galaxies are snappier and more feature rich. I have an iPhone because of a nice clean user experience.
Your taste in phones clearly sucks.
Idiot says what?

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For what it's worth, at that time, I had a look at Microsoft per your rec. I bought a bunch of it. I also, reloaded up on Apple too. Been holding ever since.

This is how non dogmatic minds work.
Congratulations on listening to someone smarter than you, and losing less money on your Apple investment as a result. You're welcome!.

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Old 09-15-2018, 09:24 AM   #833
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Yesssssss there goes the argument
No, Microsoft is still crushing Apple by 120% return since I came here and preferred that over Apple.
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Old 09-15-2018, 11:29 AM   #834
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No, Microsoft is still crushing Apple by 120% return since I came here and preferred that over Apple.
Such a dumb argument, don't make me bump all the posts of your ripping Apple that have nothing to do with MSFT. I'd bet most funds own both instead of one or the other, point is completely irrelevant especially since they are in slightly different businesses as well.
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Old 09-15-2018, 12:37 PM   #835
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Is it possible they are bumping prices to account for fledgling user growth? This is still their flagship product, with headphones and watches worth only 5% of revs. Interesting though that the latter are projected to grow by 35% in 2019 while iphone sales growth keeps going down every q. Makes me wonder when Amazon will launch a watch and eat Apples lunch again (hello siri)?
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Old 09-15-2018, 02:51 PM   #836
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They are taking the high end in the increasing polarization of all kinds of retail industries.

Apple still dominates the high end in terms of brand cache, revenues, and profits. It's THE status symbol phone. The much talked about slowdown in sales for iPhone 7 Plus taught Apple a really hard lesson: Chinese consumers want the status symbol of having the most expensive phone on the market. This is true to a large extent in Asian markets, and is actually true to a pretty decent extent in the US. The high price is, in a perverse way, a feature. This is actually a pretty well studied phenomenon in marketing and branding.

Like I said before, Apple is basially the LV/Nordstrom/Bergdorf Goodman of the smartphone market now. That means ridiculous margins but it also means being boxed into the high end.

The iPhone XR is pretty much something like a "Nordstrom Rack" and it will help them pad sales numbers and reach some previously unserved customers (like kids of probable XS owners) but the market for XR is more limited than some people seem to assume. Furthermore, XRs being too successful may actually be detrimental to the Apple brand.

You see something similar on the laptop side with Apple blatantly ignoring the incredibly popular MacBook Airs. I am sure Apple knows upgraded MacBook Airs will sell like hotcakes but Apple does not want to cut into MacBook Pro 13" sales and is likely not too interested in selling "budget" machines.
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:18 PM   #837
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Objective analysis (in other words, not you) shows the cameras to work out equally, small pluses and minuses in both. Side by side shots show equal clarity, color, range, again with small pluses and minuses. Clearly you're just deluded.

Idiot says what?


Congratulations on listening to someone smarter than you, and losing less money on your Apple investment as a result. You're welcome!.
Says the dude who jacks his ego off on internet forums all day....
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