Ordered 5s today. Says shipping between 10/1 and 10/10. Otoh, it didn't have a $36 upgrade fee that it had on Friday. So I am happy to wait.

AAPL must've bought back all the stock they wanted this quarter already.

i agree. i've considered dropping the passcode on my phone several times because punching it in every time is annoying, but i do need the security. the fingerprint sensor gets rid of this problem.

Interesting data of Sunday:




For a scale, there are about 270 million active iPhones in the world, I believe.

The 5C looks like a flop as predicted. The market won't care for now, as the iPhone and iOS7 has proven to continue to be popular, and the 5C will drive a little upside among those who would otherwise have gone with the competition, but it's not looking promising for the new line.

i wouldn't read into that chart too much yet. obviously the people who OMG MUST GET NEW IPHONE the first weekend are way more likely to get a 5s than a 5c. the 5c is more of a christmas gift for the kid type product.

but i do expect it to be a flop, time will tell.

I just bought more shares. I think well see $600 by the end of the year, with or without the 5C flop.

I'm definitely holding through 4th quarter earnings at this point.

shipped today, expected tomorrow. well, that's a nice surprise.

apple products are the best right now

Its funny how this thread dies when APPLis doing well, i bought more at 470. So im in at $390, 420, and average at $460

Not sure there's lots to talk about, AAPL just being AAPL. I'm assuming tomorrow will just be another standard update. Some speculation about a keyboard cover for the iPad but whatever, didn't see any rumors that were a big deal.

Still sitting on it at $404. Honestly I haven't thought up a better place for the money, just going to see how the rest of the refresh goes and who does what over the holidays.

And it's also funny how you don't post at $460 that you were in at $460 average!

Apple runs up fairly big into announcements, and tends to sell off on the actual announcements as Apple disappoints yet again. This has been a fairly reliable trend lately. As for sales, they have a substandard product, but they're competing with even ****tier products (Android, which is a hodgepodge of poorly thought out crap, and Windows Phone, which is ugly and lacks an ecosystem). That difference will end, however, and the ecosystems will catch up and even surpass. Apple is screwed long term and will be bankrupt or bought out in 10 years. They'll be competing with a highly superior Windows ecosystem in 2-3 years, new possibly proprietary hardware technologies from competitors like Samsung, and highly superior data manipulation from Google. It's not pretty.

5C looks like a flop from Apple supplier order reports. 5S looks very strong. iPad announcement tomorrow will be interesting, and telling - if they don't compete convincingly with the the Surface and various Windows 8 convertible offerings, the iPad is finished for good. I hope to see something like a borderless tablet. If it's more of the same, iPad will go into terminal decline early next year.

Don't want to turn this into an Apple vs. everyone else thread but wow you must live in an iBubble. Totally agree that Android used to be the ugly duckling but their new stuff is solid. Solid enough that I would say they are innovating and delivering almost as good as Apple did during their best of times. Windows mobile isn't terrible but they have to win developers over. If they don't...and very soon....then they will fall further and further behind. fwiw I know hundreds of people that own smartphones and have tablets. Not one has a Windows mobile product.

I like my new 5s (bought by corporate to replace my blackberry).

I miss my blackberry.

I'm fine having Siri type for me, so it might be ok. Might just be a "Who Moved My Cheese" problem.

I typed that confusingly, my average is lower, not sure off hand, i meant to say i bought some shares around and above 460 too, but didnt want to type them out. Either way i have nothing to hide..

Either way, are you considering making a play on Apple's demise?

AAPL will be fine as long as they innovate more stuff and allocate all the cash. If they stick to phones and ipads they will fail long term but with all that cash they have so much room to work.

They can literally make anything they want. Who knows- maybe they will start making smart cars LOL

I think in a round-a-bout way you actually summed up what is wrong with Apple right now. They are scared to step out into any new areas. They used to be the one making new innovative products but now it is Google and Samsung that are doing all the innovating. Then eventually, out of market pressure they will make something similar and call it all new. Google especially seems like they aren't afraid to fail at something or even just not be perfect at it. That is rare for a large company. Apple needs to get that back.

Truthsayer, haven't you been talking up Microsoft crushing AAPL in this thread for a few years. I hear the Andriod fears but don't think MSFT has a chance to really unseat them. See the Zune and all their other forays into these type of products.

I don't think they're scared, it's just hard to develop a new market-changing tech product every few years. And ultimately it's not about how many things you try or even innovate anyway, it's what you can actually bring to market and be successful with.

If you look at what they've done over recent years with their revenue drivers you have iTunes (2001), the iPod (2001), iPhone (2007), app store (2008), iPad (2010) & iPad Mini (2012). It's not really all that long a long a list and none were radically new concepts. They were just implemented well and people liked them.

I'm sure they're looking at all kinds of ideas too but they'll probably develop their new iRadio, and eventually put their weight into TV before long. TV interfaces (and really the whole TV distribution model) are way behind the times, and Apple has both the expertise and muscle for that. Their next big thing doesn't necessarily have to be an innovation or even a gadget at all. Make my TV work better than it does with Comcast and their **** interface and service and we can talk.

Then again, given their secrecy they could easily drop iWatches or whatever else next year too. Either way it's only been ~3.5 years since their last ridiculously successful new product launch, and I see plenty of room for Google to do their thing while Apple does theirs even if they do overlap a lot of products.

They really don't.

I'm listening. My argument in a nutshell is that they've got the highest or close to the highest market cap in the world, a ton of experience building successful OS and GUIs, and are active and successful in the content distribution business.

Yours? I mean if you're going to post a statement like that put at something behind it.

Trying to predict what a company will be in 10 years is next to impossible, and further to that, taking the negative side will always be more attractive considering most business dont last forever.

I just think its funny when people will get something in their craw and lose objectivity.

The haters can still not like the company long term, but clearly they were wrong about it in the short term, and could have bought when it was below $400, and rode it out to what looks like higher prices going into next year. Oh and they would have also collected some dividends.

But they've been holding onto MSFT stock instead.

Im open to anything and everything.

Oh yeah, and wheres that monkey clown who was convinced apple would be at $150 by the end if the year or whatever....

craw??? You must be from the south?

Currently up 28% on this non innovating company, that's being crushed by Samsung.

What's the bear case look like now? Is it profit taking time?

The New Ipad seems to be doing well, could the stock surpass $600 by January?

Seemed interesting that TSLA and APPL moved big today when the rest of the market was down. Big money gettingback in?

Currently up 45%.

Really curious as to why so many so called smart investors in here were wrong about Apple.

Was I wrong and just got lucky?

Should I still be in MS and not APPL?

Funny how there's no one to be found in this thread when things are going well, but when it was down, it was a very active thread, with a lot of negativity.