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05-09-2022 , 03:53 PM
anyone like a call on US long bonds today ?
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05-10-2022 , 12:27 AM
It's tempting to dump a bunch of money into ATVI right now. Why is it trading at a 20% discount to the buyout price? MSFT has the cash to pay it and it seems unlikely that anti-trust regulators or the harassment scandals will stop the merger. Warren Buffett thinks it's going to happen and the stock is down a bit in the last few days.
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05-10-2022 , 05:37 AM
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It's tempting to dump a bunch of money into ATVI right now. Why is it trading at a 20% discount to the buyout price?
TEN is supposedly getting bought for $20 cash deal. stock is in $14's now. Can't find good news recently. You would think the deal is off but idk lol
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05-10-2022 , 11:07 AM
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Well this was just about the worst possible timed post ever.

Shoulda just totally cashed out, was almost 2x smh.
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Get wrecked shorty.
Doubled down at the lowest and just got out even.

Kept one for fun.

Now just need DWAC to finally implode.
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05-10-2022 , 01:04 PM
how is the people screaming at each other on tv indicator looking today?
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05-10-2022 , 01:12 PM
I thought there just had to be a green day so I unwound my puts but here we are red again
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05-10-2022 , 01:19 PM
Maybe this is too obvious but I'm hoping tomorrow's CPI ignites a prolonged rally.
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05-10-2022 , 02:46 PM
buying europe close on bad tape but soft vix works every time
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05-11-2022 , 01:26 PM
another 15% drawdown or so and nasdaq will be negative since the pandemic despite adding $10 trillion in debt and double digit inflation

gg murica
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05-11-2022 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
it seems unlikely that anti-trust regulators ... will stop the merger.
This is where you're disagreeing with the market.
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05-12-2022 , 01:51 PM
nasdaq 10% away from negative for the whole pandemic despite $10 trillion debt lolz
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05-13-2022 , 03:21 PM
arbitrage opp on PODA / PODAF
bit more complicated than the VEG one but looks like it will go through. ALTRIA is buying them, the cancellation fee alone is almost what the MC was this morning.

It's a .40cad dividend payout not a complete buyout

It'll become like a spac after I guess, says they will keep 1m to explore options. I'm just in it for the divy and I'll get out once they pay it.

Hovering around .32 all day
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05-16-2022 , 12:25 PM
So anyone look into it?
Am I missing something here
invest 100$ - get about 130$ in dividend payout that's taxable
end up with a 99$ capital loss when you sell (there will be 100m shares with 1m cash in the bank)

So really only worth it if you're doing it in a tfsa (tax free account), or if you have a ton of cap gains to offset
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05-17-2022 , 05:12 AM
CORN WEAT on the move toward breakout. in WEAT calls, still have USO calls too
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05-17-2022 , 10:33 AM
I don't think Musk can get out of the TWTR deal. Huge upside in court enforcement or even a big discount negotiated settlement.
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05-17-2022 , 11:15 AM
You don't think Twitter claiming under 5% bots while in reality it's as high as 20-30% would not be considered fraudulent disclosure of material information? The monetization plans are in the from of brand awareness marketing, so real eye balls is the product twitter is selling... This has big implications for Twitter, it would mean they effectively lied to shareholders and there will be consequences regardless of the deal closing or not.
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05-17-2022 , 12:17 PM
From what I’m reading, he pulled that 5% number from their previous SEC filings, not from anything specifically produced for the negotiation of the deal. So, yeah the amount of fake accounts is important and vital to the business, but everyone already knows that and could have questioned it any time since the company went public. Musk isn’t citing any new info in bringing it up.

He also waived due diligence to speed up the process and ram the offer through the board.

In any case, just a stay away shitshow at this point, imo.
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05-17-2022 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GTO2.0
From what IÂ’m reading, he pulled that 5% number from their previous SEC filings, not from anything specifically produced for the negotiation of the deal. So, yeah the amount of fake accounts is important and vital to the business, but everyone already knows that and could have questioned it any time since the company went public. Musk isnÂ’t citing any new info in bringing it up.

He also waived due diligence to speed up the process and ram the offer through the board.

In any case, just a stay away shitshow at this point, imo.
yeah I'm looking at TWTR as well, and Elon would have to prove bots were like 90% or some other ridiculously high number for the courts to declare it a "material adverse event" (in previous cases a long term 3 percent drop in EBITDA due to misstatements did not qualify while a 50 percent drop over two quarters qualified..). So IMHO and IANAL, Elon would need to prove a sustained 20% drop in Twitters business before being able to back out. It's more likely that TWTR caves and gives Elon a lower price but even then price will be in the 40s...

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"If the deal falls through, Twitter is likely to trade at $30.86 a share, according to the average of estimates from survey respondents. That’s 17% below Monday's closing price.

Based on the acquisition’s proposed valuation, the market is pricing in a roughly 28% probability of the deal being completed. However, that calculation is complicated by expectations that Musk will get it done at a lower price, arbitrage traders said."
From a Bloomberg article today about the deal the traders surveyed also overwhelming thought that Elon was getting it done at a lower price...
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05-17-2022 , 03:55 PM
The lower price will still be in the 40s. I think Musk will have incentive to settle because if he litigates (1) he will likely lose and (2) he will likely receive SEC penalties. His reputation might play into this too.

Twitters bots being 20-30% isn't really relevant here. Musk waived due diligence.
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05-17-2022 , 04:04 PM
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yeah i've worked for some massive social networks, after he said that i immediately said "ok he's either going to continue lying this entire time exploiting people's perceptions of how things should be rather than focusing on the real world or he's really just that dumb"

it's just ludicrous for any single tweet to be liked by even 1% of a global audience and he complains when it's only 2% - no doubt he'd not of even used that as an example if not for fact it was his own tweet so it feels more like vanity making him willfully ignorant

and... this is super inside baseball and not at all what people would expect, but bots are significantly more active than genuine accounts - entire reason for their existence is because people want to appear to have larger followings, have their messages liked and retweeted so they like and retweet far more content than a regular person

and... most importantly, they are trained to hop onto any bandwagon and like/retweet/follow as well as a bunch of randoms - this is so they can trick basic detection settings, lets say i run a bot farm and only have one client for 5k bots following him, liking his tweets, putting down generic positive responses, etc - if there are 5k accounts with only one person they follow and engage with then it's super easy for the site to label them as bots and shut them down - but if you just have them act super upbeat towards hundreds of different accounts then it serves two purposes, makes them hard enough to detect that simple measures would also mark a lot of genuine users as bots as well (so they won't do that out of fear of blocking real people via false positives) and if they do dive deep and correctly surmise they are bots, then they won't know for certain which accounts were paying for this and thus won't ban/punish said account for contributing to the bot problem

elon certaintly knows all of this, so unless he's genuinely ******ed then he's just lying and spinning some pretentious "look at how great my tweet is, i certaintly captivate most of the world so clearly only getting 2% of users to like my tweet means twitter is mostly bots"

i really hope the sec cracks down on him, but they won't
from the reasons not to trust musk thread
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05-18-2022 , 04:52 PM
Musk is just trying to re-price the deal, it'll probably work.

My SP June puts up 124% today, nice.
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05-18-2022 , 05:00 PM
there's now community spread of monkeypox cases in europe and now first case in us

anyone following this?

saw one strain of monkeypox has 10% fatality rate and another has 1% probably like covid not sure which one is this
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05-18-2022 , 05:03 PM
i thought monkeypox wasn't supposed to spread human to human makes you wonder if someone is trying to turn these viruses into weapons. too much coincidence
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05-18-2022 , 08:04 PM
CNCE gift short setup coming. looks like it cracks tomorrow. VERU probably too. WEAT still holding up. couple days before I blow my USO calls up. been such a long consolidation. Oil probably drops next couple days. Took EYES long today at open
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05-18-2022 , 08:36 PM
$8 billion hedge fund blowing up. Heard REITS in China blowing up but just hearsay

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-after-losses

Funds holdings. mostly Large-cap just from glancing. Lot of near breakdown short setups COTY DPZ FND, the hotels

https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...?itok=6uCMeThx

Last edited by Jupiter0; 05-18-2022 at 08:49 PM.
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