Just put a bunch of people on an isolated island and answer the question if you can. I’ll throw in all the books you want and and abundance of natural resources so they don't have to start from scratch.

There is no such thing as bootstraping with humans. We have been in an interconnected web and have been since we formed into socites. On an island or not we would still be interdependent.

Fine, we're interdependent, have all the knowledge of the world and plenty of natural resources at our disposal. What do we actually do to improve our standard of living?

I bet Horatio Alger knows the answer to this

I’m not playing the never ending question game again. Say stuff if you have something to say.

I always wonder if left/right or rather groupist/individualist in part comes down to how we actually believe/see what the world is. The-person-is-worth-less-than-the-group views and morality have been the norm and are pretty hardwired I think; they are the base view of chimps and the stupid. They also lead to economic and philosophical poverty. We are actually hardwired to see people as belonging to a tribe and the tribe being greater than the person.

The individualist view of life - that one man is more important than his group and all other living people in terms of their right to interfere with him - is really remarkable and revolutionary and has only come about once in the history of mankind that I can see - in parts of Western Europe and perhaps most strongly in Britain and Holland. This led to a flowering of creativity that led to the Enlightenment and technological revolution, women's rights, child rights, the end of slavery, fair principles of justice, freedom from religion and superstition, etc.

It's sad that people are so ignorant that they don't understand the latter is the source of much that is good in the world and the former is the source of much that is bad - from right wing totalitarianism/group identity to left wing versions of same. My biggest worry about importing other cultures is that other cultures tend to be heavily socialist and don't understand or align with the individualist ideal that freed the world from so much misery and oppression.

I often wonder if batair, Max Cut et al actually understand the above or if they are too stupid (not a slur on them, most are - which is why individualist libertarianism is the highest IQ political belief there is). It's a lifelong fascination for me. Apart from the pernicious effect of envy in making people emotional and illogical, I'm learning toward the latter.

No thanks. Our island already has the lowest level of income inequality in the world. That sort of nonsense can only disrupt our utopia.

I’m for sure to stupid for all this. Good talk.

Is this a book review on the 12 rules for life by Jordan Peterson. Lol, your political and economic philosophy is worse than your trading.

You still swinging 1 lot spy options? You big baller you!

No, it's basic common sense for anyone who's read broadly and is intellectually curious. These truths far predate Peterson. This stuff goes back to the Protestant movement and its anti-authoritarian individualism, which created a flowering of creativity and rejection of the group-enforced orthodoxy that made Europe stagnate. I first came across these concepts clearly elucidated reading Bertrand Russell decades ago.

Most of my reading is left wing or classics, never read Peterson or any other right wing stuff, although I've watched some videos.

As an Antifa Brownshirt I'd expect you to have little intellectual curiosity or nuance. You're doing a good job of living up to to expectations.

Still waiting for a variable purchase tax based on income brackets. For example, in the US, if a top earner goes to dinner, and gets the check for $499, 37% is then added on as their purchase tax.

the media is already melting down over the Muller report. election night was funny, this should be funnier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbRvpIMwoM

his first question to the panel is absolutely hilarious - "if Trump or his children aren't being charged with crimes, how are we supposed to blame Trump for Russian collusion??"

must be nice to be completely delusional and still make millions of dollars as a TV personality!

Might be something to that.

Partisan Personality: The Psychological Differences Between Democrats and Republicans, and Independents Somewhere in Between
Abstract
The results indicate supporters for the two major parties are wired differently, in line with previous findings about ideology. Democrats were driven by an external locus of control and Republicans by an internal locus. This research finds self-identified Independents as truly being somewhere in between.

Other studies show a correlation between having an external locus of control and viewing socio-economic life as a zero sum game. So if that’s just the way people are wired....

Ah, I see. I was thinking it's just more gibberish spewing from a sociopathic bigot, but I guess it's basic common sense. roc on!

I know, right. I think tooth considers the front page of the daily stormer a classic. I mean he used to post links to it in the politics forum.

Guys a walking enigma. He's an individualist, but also a dogged racist.

"Any thought sufficiently advanced beyond your own is indistinguishable from gibberish"
This is a straight up lie. I know you're an absolutely detestable human being (being an antifa brownshirt) but try not to be stupid with it as well. Straight up lying in something that's easily proven false is a stupid thing to do. Perhaps you have some sort of self loathing where you deliberately self sabotage? It's weird.

Or maybe I'm not actually a racist, just like I didn't post links to the daily stormer? Just like Trump didn't actually collude with Russia despite the entire mainstream left believing it and pushing that narrative hard?

After two years of the hard left in the mainstream press screaming and hyperventilating about the nonexistent fantasy of Trump/Russia, you'd think you'd take a day to have some introspection about how you got facts so horribly wrong when it's obvious they were wrong. What is wrong with your epistemology that you spent two years screaming like loons about something that didn't even exist?

But the left have completely lost their mind. Which is why worthless pieces of **** like antifa brownshirt turtletom think they're morally justified in lying about people. It's pure sick tribalism of the type that infected both the hard left and the hard right and ruined societies.

You guys are the best thing that ever happened to the right. People like turtletom and Max Cut make the large normal mainstream recoil. I don't even have to say a word - you guys are driving the entire world to the right with your lack of care for facts and reasonableness and your aggressive tribal bigotry. It's beautiful. "Whom the gods want to destroy, they first send insane".

dishonest compulsive liar and sociopathic hateful bigot says what?


Having certainty on the conclusions of the Mueller report before knowing it's contents is yet another example of your disingenuity. But you gotta spike that football like you saw done by your puppet master propaganda profiteers. Way to go, Mr. independent thinker!


something that didn't even exist

trump’s campaign manager: convicted felon
trump’s first National Security Adviser: convicted felon
trump's deputy campaign manager: convicted felon
trump’s long-time attorney and consigliere: convicted felon
trump’s closest confidante: charged with felonies

Nothing to see here folks, just a waste of time witch hunt...

He would rather have the poor poorer provided the rich were less rich.

speaking of being disingenuous, you forgot to mention none of these convictions had a single thing to do with Russia. i bet there's someone who works for Trump who also has unpaid parking tickets. better get to work, detective!

Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in felony convictions. He obstructed justice, engaged in witness tampering, participated in a criminal conspiracy to violate campaign finance laws and abused presidential power. That's before we know what else Mueller found, and we will likely never know since it's trump's recent appointee that decides what gets released -- an appointee that was likely chosen because of his anti-Mueller investigation stance. It's also before the multitude of other federal and state investigations into his corrupt ass have been completed.

I already know what Rachel Maddow thinks, but I am interested in your opinion

He's a criminal conman that duped you and is pilfering the US while letting other criminals do the same.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy

But he's not a Russian spy and didn't collude with Russia. Which was the false charge leveled for 2 years and hysterically repeated as truth when to any sane person it was obviously false.

Let's make this clear for you.

Claim: Max Cut likes to rape children
The entire media for two years: Max cut is obviously a child rapist and is going to prison! He once talked to a child!
Thorough criminal investigation: We recommend no charges be laid
Idiot loser on the Internet: But they investigated all his friends and found some did tax evasion and that his laywer is shady! Max Cut is scum anyway! I'm not apologizing!

The bolded is you, bro.

If I had carte blanche to raid and go through the documents, texts, phone calls, private privileged lawyer communications, computers of most people, I bet I could find indictable crimes on >70% of the population. Harvard law professors say the average person commits dozens of felonies every year.

This was a political witchhunt based on a pure lie/document fabricated by the Democrats in collusion with Russia (they paid Fusion GPS using Russian government sources), to go after anyone who assisted the president and trawled through everything they could to hurt the president's friends.

The fact that you can't admit this in any way and are defiant just proves to everyone what a crazy loser you are.

Is that a reference to current or previous administrations? hmm maybe mueller should stick around and start another report. One president was a billionaire when elected, the other was poor public servant but left office with 1000x more personal wealth and connections...