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02-08-2019 , 03:58 AM
TVOG Stock is DEAD you clown, as in it's not even a business any more. Even as pure fraud pump stock it sucks. Congrats bro, you picked the absolute nut low.
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02-08-2019 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
TVOG Stock is DEAD you clown, as in it's not even a business any more. Even as pure fraud pump stock it sucks. Congrats bro, you picked the absolute nut low.
Not dead.

It's a shell acquiring new companies in the infrastructure markets.

It's also doubled the past few days.

Friend.
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02-08-2019 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DasItMane
Not dead.

It's a shell acquiring new companies in the infrastructure markets.

It's also doubled the past few days.

Friend.
No, it's a shell saying they're acquiring new companies. That's what pump and dump frauds do - put out press releases about acquisitions and sky high future revenue and have losers buy in, and yet other losers pump it up on messageboards and twitter and email to the first set of losers.

TVOG is dead. The end. I had this out with some other moron last year in the 2018 trading thread with IMUN, which was a much more talented and convincing pump. Dude lost all his money. $1M market cap/ 1c penny stocks putting out dodgy press release are for taking advantages of morons and nothing else. Even as a pure pump play goes it's a horrible play.

You've picked the absolute nut low. In the poker word this is 72o dipped in the toilet. Not sure how managed to pick the absolutely nut low but congratulations.
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02-08-2019 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
No, it's a shell saying they're acquiring new companies. That's what pump and dump frauds do - put out press releases about acquisitions and sky high future revenue and have losers buy in, and yet other losers pump it up on messageboards and twitter and email to the first set of losers.

TVOG is dead. The end. I had this out with some other moron last year in the 2018 trading thread with IMUN, which was a much more talented and convincing pump. Dude lost all his money. $1M market cap/ 1c penny stocks putting out dodgy press release are for taking advantages of morons and nothing else. Even as a pure pump play goes it's a horrible play.

You've picked the absolute nut low. In the poker word this is 72o dipped in the toilet. Not sure how managed to pick the absolutely nut low but congratulations.
This nut low had news this morning and looking to go much much higher.

SHMP started out at a penny too. Just hit 42 cents with the same finance co.

Funny you mention IMUN.....Oh Noreen.

Half a penny.
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02-08-2019 , 10:18 AM
You short TVOG tooth?
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02-08-2019 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JKC
You short TVOG tooth?
1. Super hard for retail traders to short otc stocks.

2. Not sure how smart it would be to short a company that just announced the same deal with GHS as SHMP had with GHS, which just went from .01 to 42 cents after the GHS deal was announced.
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02-08-2019 , 10:45 AM
TVOG just hit .038!
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02-08-2019 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DasItMane
This nut low had news this morning and looking to go much much higher.

SHMP started out at a penny too. Just hit 42 cents with the same finance co.

Funny you mention IMUN.....Oh Noreen.

Half a penny.
You're not the IMUN cuck are you? That guy lost his life savings and made an ass of himself trying to get his family and friends (and this board) buying his ****ty penny stock putting out pump PR with no basis in reality.

He got excited when it went up 3x as well, thinking he had a sure thing (in reality there's near zero volume so the 3x is meaningless since you can't take size and you can't exit). Now it's down >90%

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02-08-2019 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
You're not the IMUN cuck are you? That guy lost his life savings and made an ass of himself trying to get his family and friends (and this board) buying his ****ty penny stock putting out pump PR with no basis in reality.

He got excited when it went up 3x as well, thinking he had a sure thing (in reality there's near zero volume so the 3x is meaningless since you can't take size and you can't exit).
I already sold TVOG. Cleared about $18 K profit in 2 days. Will wait for a pullback and reload.

I have been trading since I was a kid. Do it for a living. I am sure you would know me on IHUB.

As for IMUN....I also consult with companies and bring in financing. Have had talks with IMUN and Noreen. Obviously the 1 for 1000 RS announcement on the surface looks beyond horrible.

However....there are reasons.....
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02-08-2019 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
You're not the IMUN cuck are you? That guy lost his life savings and made an ass of himself trying to get his family and friends (and this board) buying his ****ty penny stock putting out pump PR with no basis in reality.

He got excited when it went up 3x as well, thinking he had a sure thing (in reality there's near zero volume so the 3x is meaningless since you can't take size and you can't exit).
And btw I am not the IMUN cuck...though I may know who it was you are talking about.

I rarely even followed the stock until this past fall.
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02-08-2019 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DasItMane
I already sold TVOG. Cleared about $18 K profit in 2 days. Will wait for a pullback and reload.

I have been trading since I was a kid. Do it for a living. I am sure you would know me on IHUB.

As for IMUN....I also consult with companies and bring in financing. Have had talks with IMUN and Noreen. Obviously the 1 for 1000 RS announcement on the surface looks beyond horrible.

However....there are reasons.....
So you're a penny stock pumper then? Thanks for the admission. The only reason to talk to IMUN as a financer, to even be in that world, is to facilitate or ride on pumps of their stock and sell into pumped offerings.

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02-08-2019 , 11:30 AM
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So you're a penny stock pumper then? Thanks for the admission
No. I am not a promo guy. I don't deal in that.

I trade and try to bring companies together for deals.

That's it.
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02-08-2019 , 11:57 AM
isnt there a rule against touting penny stocks in here?
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02-08-2019 , 11:59 AM
Tbf, looks like the tvog coo is a pump n dump legend
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02-08-2019 , 12:05 PM
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isnt there a rule against touting penny stocks in here?
Oh there is?

I didn't realize. I won't post about them if there is.
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02-08-2019 , 01:42 PM
tooth, like usual asap & charlie are out in the cold here

Spoiler:


android, premium and original content, sentiment, it's not owned by fb... don't forget about ar. Increased demand combined with them aggressively improving ad infrastructure and efficiency results in narrower losses and widening margins.
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02-08-2019 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by btc
tooth, like usual asap & charlie are out in the cold here

Spoiler:


android, premium and original content, sentiment, it's not owned by fb... don't forget about ar. Increased demand combined with them aggressively improving ad infrastructure and efficiency results in narrower losses and widening margins.
I have to admit, after reading the bull case above...it now seems so obvious that this is a clear better long term buy over FB. I don't know what I was thinking.

Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to somewhere? Your understanding of tech and mobile growth is groundbreaking.
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02-09-2019 , 11:23 AM
Guys I came to the conclusion you can't make any! money trading, you better off spending your time elsewhere.
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Analogy is like a pokerstars amaya game with too high rake for anyone to be profitable other than the platform itself. every player is ev- as soon as they register.

there may be some breed of whales coming in the game with info/tools who can beat the rake, but thats a very tiny % of the population, with access to privilege resources/info.

The Government running financial institutions / market makers / corporations are the only real winners (stealers).

Even if you actually had the luck to make money trading, it was only short term variance, you aren't ever profitable on the long run as an individual. the pain is aggravated when you factor in inflation (+~2% per year). real money expect to not even maintain your net worth. it's a soul crushing realization and hard pillow to swallow, but the sooner you realize the less pain you'll endure in your emotional life. expect to lose money.

It's a nightmare/hell.
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02-09-2019 , 01:03 PM
Trading will usually end up in frustration and minor loss (95%+) for nearly all. For some it will end in massive losses.

It's one of the greatest risks to your wealth, along with compulsive gambling and women. I highly recommend not trading unless you're very intelligent (could score in the 98th percentile any standardized test), have a mind of your own and have a good temperament (good self discipline and unlikely to tilt/overtrade, deep humility).
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02-09-2019 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Trading will usually end up in frustration and minor loss (95%+) for nearly all. For some it will end in massive losses.

It's one of the greatest risks to your wealth, along with compulsive gambling and women. I highly recommend not trading unless you're very intelligent (could score in the 98th percentile any standardized test), have a mind of your own and have a good temperament (good self discipline and unlikely to tilt/overtrade, deep humility).
Much like poker I've always know I'll never be smart or dedicated enough to excel at it and/or beat the rake -- so smartest dec I've ever made is having 90% of my investment $$ going to index funds and then 10% goes to trading for fun/gamble, to force myself to try and learn new things, and to improve my overall knowledge of the world/business/etc.
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02-09-2019 , 07:47 PM
You actually can make money (generate alpha) trading and things have never been better for a retail trader. Just because you can doesn't mean you will but there is money to be made.
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02-11-2019 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I don't usually agree with Paul Krugman, but he also sees recession in 2019:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/paul...r-in-2020.html

I'll believe it getting reflected in equity markets when I see it. I think my BA and AMZN puts are +EV, whether they go to zero or not, but I'll always be super skeptical of the baby boomers going full ****** and trying to hyperinflate their children and grandchildren's futures away until their last dying breath.

Obscenely greedy people aren't deterred very easily.
Baby boomers posing a significant risk to your long put position? C'mon man!
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02-11-2019 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Trading will usually end up in frustration and minor loss (95%+) for nearly all. For some it will end in massive losses.

It's one of the greatest risks to your wealth, along with compulsive gambling and women. I highly recommend not trading unless you're very intelligent (could score in the 98th percentile any standardized test), have a mind of your own and have a good temperament (good self discipline and unlikely to tilt/overtrade, deep humility).
Define what you mean by "trading" please. Pretty sure I would call it speculating. An example would be Shuffle predicting a recession and backing that prediction up with a put position. Nothing wrong with that, he might be right. Someone who has a "buy and hold" strategy is going to sell at least some of their position at some point and thus has made a trade in my view.
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02-11-2019 , 07:55 AM
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It's one of the greatest risks to your wealth, along with compulsive gambling and women. I highly recommend not trading unless you're very intelligent (could score in the 98th percentile any standardized test), have a mind of your own and have a good temperament (good self discipline and unlikely to tilt/overtrade, deep humility).
Sure but even assuming you can beat the market reliably you need either bankroll big enough or lack of other opportunities to make money to justify the time spent working on it.
I mean, if you have a million to invest and you need to work full time to beat the market by 10-15% it becomes a ****ty deal if you are the kind of person to get those returns in the first place. Now, if you have 10 million the math changes significantly but assuming you haven't inherited the money you are probably pretty good at making it elsewhere anyway.
It seems to me it only makes sense to trade if you are either really love it and want to do it instead of anything else or you have reasons to believe you have some very important insight and will beat a market by gigantic margin.
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02-12-2019 , 09:36 AM
I don't really know what I'm doing, trying to learn. Would someone mind telling me how my thinking is wrong:

-I had a 50 unit long term position in CGC
-The last few months or so I decided if it was below 37 I would be willing to add an additional 50 short-term units
-I'm at 100 units when it's sub 30, 50 long term averaged at 16, 50 short term at 34
-I sell 50 of the short-term units on the run up, at 39-40
-Sell 10 of long term at 45, another 10 at 50
-Now at 30 units total

Now that it's pulled back from 50 down to low 40s again, I want to add. Especially if it gets below 40 a bit. But at the same time, it seems like it doesn't make sense to add in the 39-41 range when I just sold at 39 a month ago.

Nothing about the companies valuation has changed in my mind, they made some u.s. investments but that was always going to happen. Maybe it happened a little sooner than expected, which could increase valuation..

Probably just seems cheap to me because it was recently at 50... and market cap is still very high.
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