2nd this! Thnx.

I agree with the process of actively learning instead of simply watching videos. Thats why I like the products over at synergy poker, really puts you into a thinking mode and you cant just watch a great player play while doing other things

very precise and helpful. definitely puts things in perspective

me too

PM'ed OP about the links, then found out there are two threads regarding this topic. Here are the links posted in the other thread.

Thanks for the quick response though OP!

Liked the original post

For non DC members is there anywhere we can find an explanation of how to do this?

Found this in another thread.

Great post. Thank you.

I finished the entirety of this thread.

First off, for the OP to write something like this. Is great, yes, practise. makes. perfect. Or so its said. The Value of what he is saying, is positive, well-fated. The exact details of what have been said, agreed or disagreed upon, are for the most, not of much importance.

For everyone 'hating' on CwocWocs replies regarding the importance of practise equated to talent, or one means of practise vs another, both independently and as relating to different domains-- as being 'negative' or 'bashing' the OP,

Here are my thoughts.

What this person is saying, may not 'ring a bell' to some of you or come across a certain way because you may not understand the thoughts to know why someone is saying something like this. Whether that is because, the composition of individuals who generally read posts like this('beginner' posts) may not understand the notion of what is best for them - or it may be instinctual to associate 'opposing comment' as negative----- towards a beneficial topic, of individuals becoming great at something,(which I assume readers of this forum all try to be great at.)

From what the OP I felt,

* He is a smart individual, for choosing to THINK(practise) of something he VALUES in LIFE. --whether he does this right or wrong is not the point(this is what debate can discuss and is good) --


*the statement he made about practise and the uncomfortable moment, of practise. I think if of vast importance.


From my view. What cwowoc, has said. Is not meant to say, no don't practise, it won't make you better. Or that talent is innate, and you can't work to be great. Or this is better than that.


This post was not meant to go into any detail of what is less good or more good practise . Or that poker is or is not extremely variable(as are individuals who play and who we play against), which lends one thing being more right vs another.(in terms of w.e.) Mainly the idea to think for ourselves, as individuals who play a game, based independent decision. --and this relates to everything.

-If consideration towards, the importance of debate and thought, is the first course of action individuals who want to be great take, this will be a big step towards achieving things we independently may choose to achieve.

+1OP +1 CwocWoc.

ty sir very nice thread

subscribing

i'd take the guy who puts in 60 hours a week working hard , studying , etc, over the guy with "innate talent"

This sounds great and i am going to work my way round to being able to practice/learn these things...but at the moment i am clueless to a lot of it and would love to know where a beginner should start because i don't really understand all the +ev play and equity vs a range sort of stuff.....plus am new to the PT3 trial (for macs) so organising filters to show what i want and to show leaks etc i dont know how to do.....yet i hope.

Any help or advice much appreciated

Thanks

This is proabably the most useful thread ever created on 2P2. Well done!

50 bucks says this guy didn't even put in 1 extra hour.

Excluding D/F/G; 50 bucks to the first guy who post 1 video of each of the steps where he explains how to do them and then go on to do them to make sure we all can do them. This is yet another thread of "you should do X, but I'm not going to show you HOW to do it".

Would improve the thread into 5 stars, imo

Great read!

Awesome post. Subscribing.

a great post always deserves a ^ BUMP^

I strongly believe that Marstons post is true, in the sense that nothing imparts more knowledge to someone than having their own money on the line, one game, staring across the table seeing the opponent, and then having to ACTUALLY utilize all of the intangible reads of a person....

However, i believe that this must be coupled with Regrets point of knowing the numbers. If for only understanding where they aggro-aggressive young bucs, are going to 3 or 4 bet you to death.. or just 'randomly' [to the oldtimers] shove OOP [out of position.]

I believe it would be folly, in any endeavor, TO NOT TRY TO amass the same info of the time that your opponent will have. Because If you yous Regret's point and have the knowledge base, then the even more invaluable skills that Marston is pointing out are SO MUCH EASIER TO USE.... because you can understand if someone is strictly playing percentages then you can really out think them by using the rest of the skills that makes live games so much more fun/difficult/interesting/exciting....

im a live player moving to play many tables online.. how do i collect my databank of hands? is it saved in pokerstars hand history already and waht kind of software is there for keeping stats like vpip and all that?

Ask PokerStars for your hand history and buy Hold'em Manager.

Great thread