Hello,

If i`m a newbie at poker breaking even or making somenthing like 1 $ per day, very small anyway.Can 40 hrs of coaching make me a 30$ an hour player.It`s a lot of hours i should be able to learn a lot and play between the coaching hours.
So in short term is there a high probability of this to happen or not?
Thank you

I think there is a good chance. But it all depends on how much you work on your game

No. The real work to improve your win rate has to be done by you. A coach might be able to guide you in the right direction a little bit but only conscious and constant self directed improvement is going to turn you into an expert poker player.

I agree the work must be done mostly by you. But there are so many resources if you want to improve. Before you see a coach, read some books and watch some videos. But you must also agree to risk some money and get on the battlefield.

You will not be a 30$/hour winner from the start. And I don't agree to count your income hourly anyways. I agree poker must be treated like a business, but a business is not a job. So forget about the hourly rates !! And what would you do with this 30$an hour anyway ? Buy food/mortage/car ? ridiculous. This is a life for employees. You have to treat it as a business. The goal in business is for it to grow. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense to do it. The investment is too big. So the income from poker, if you can make it, must go toward other investments.

I mean that even if you are a "winning player", you should never have an "income" from poker. Incomes are for employees.

Good luck

Definitely agree with these guys. I would just like to add its way too early for you to be looking for a coach like it was said there are so many good resources out there now, I would say look for a coach when you are break even at 25NL at a minimum. Or look at a coaching for profits deal if you really think you have what it takes (they make you work and study like crazy).

You should hire a coach as soon as possible in my opinion. Youll learn too much wrong crap from bad players who post on the forums if you don't. I also wouldnt commit to one coach...
take a couple lessons from a few and see how you feel.

If you look hard enough, there are some cheaper options to start with.
For example, you can get a free leakfinder here as a starting point.

OP, The biggest mistake you could do is choosing an offer without credentials -

no matter how much it costs. There might be decent cheap options, but cheap options can also be the most expensive ones (bc they cost u money at the tbls!!!)


* You should NOT get a coach asap. Any coach worth his money is going to be too expensive for you

* IF you have the money for a coach, you should DEFINITELY commit to this coach

And yes, any coach who does not put u on 30/hr after 40 hours of coaching SUCKS (assuming you follow the lead and put in the time needed!)


ALWAYS ASK FOR CREDENTIALS !!!!!!!!! Has this coach taken a player from the lowest level to where you want to be? Proven, publicly documented?

Or just some "nice comments" from people who were winners before...

A coach doesn't have to publicly document his students success for one that's down to the student I can only think of one guy who insists on this and 2/3 of his students (that I know of) succeeded but they where talented players to begin with. His current publicly documented student has made 1k profit in like a year I think (nothing against the student he is kind of a mate of mine) and people following his progress have recently started questioning the level of coaching based on his latest hand history's.

I think that anyone who has played 100,000 hands of poker and hasnt lost much, or has been a winner could teach people things worth money. Newbs for instance. Somepeople hate watching videos, or reading. So conversation is another thing they can do, and if thats what they want, they pay a coach for it to converse with. There is plenty of room for all kinds of coaching solutions. I like to talk to my coaches rather than read, although I do some reading.

Any coach that mass produces products have to understand how much value

You don't have to be an all star to coach. And, I would take any coach post in this thread with a HUGE grain of salt. Its just obvious self promotion.

Yes, anybody who hasn't lost in 100k hands can teach something. So if your goal is to not loose after 100k hands, go to that guy.

If you have higher ambitions then you should NEVER listen to anybody who isn't super rich.

There are a huge crowd of losers, especially on forums who believe for whatever reason that their own advice is worth one cent.
They are poor and live in their basement and should be ignored.

If you on the other side have a super successful guy, who has helped others become super successful as well in an insanely short amount of time, then you would be a fool and a huge donkey not to listen.

There are people who will not make it, no matter who coaches them. There are various reasons for this.

However, you have the best shot of succeeding in bigger ways than you have ever thought by working with people who are RICH and have made others RICH (at least by poker player standards).

DO NOT LISTEN TO LOSERS WITHOUT MONEY.

Got to be honest Gordon, that post makes you sound like a total A-hole. I think you forget how low down on the pecking order your players are at hu.

Look, i'm telling the truth. Don't listen to poor people and losers if you wanna make money. Don't listen to people who have not done (or made others do) what you wanna achieve.


I think it is very mean to put down the hardworking guys who end up making 10k/month at HU. Ponty, I'm disappointed you'd say something like that. It's fair game to attack me as a person and/or the way i say things. It's not cool to put down the proven hard work and inspiring stories of people.
This is about people who have (often) made nothing and now make 10k/month...
One border-cop made in a month MORE than he used to make in a year at his job.

Tell him that he is not on "top of the pecking order". He knows that, but is happy with the 18k Euro he made last month. He worked his ass off and he knows he is not a Jungleman... so what?!
He makes more than most "top regs" that would "beat him" and think they're the sht.

I define "success" as making a sht ton of more money than before... not having the biggest e-d1ck. Although, i admit, it is nice to have a big one and be the top reg etc .

In the year(s) to come you will see people begging on their knees to join our super advanced programs. Mark my words.

Now that we've grown bigger and bigger, we don't have the 100% insane success rate anymore. So as nature wants, some people will not see the end line for various reasons. And all of them i can directly without any doubt exactly WHY. It never has to do anything with pokerstrategy.
It's mental weakness and the inability to do simple things.
So anybody who can do simple things can make it. And we've proven it.

Your elite team are certainly more profitable and better at poker than i am but i don't think that means no one should listen to what i have to say.

I have had multiple people pm me saying your elite team buy hand histories, play on soft Euro sites, make most of their money from 60%+ rake back deals, bum hunt fish like no tomorrow and last but not least multi account. That doesn't sounds very elite to me tbh and they are far from crushing the poker scene in terms of strategy or profits even if some of them have had 10k months. Congratulations to them though although i don't agree with how they made it if the rumours are true. I am open to believing the rumours are lies though.

Clearly a "Wolf Of Wallstreet" kind of pitch. Calling people losers who don't buy into your pitch. Nicely done!

Haha ok, so that makes so much sense.

Haha your close sadly that's why he calls himself Gordon (after Gordon Gekko) after the movie wall street from 1989.

I don't agree with this statement.
Unless you are unhappy with your current coach and/or not seeing solid improvements on your game, getting coached by multiple ppl in a short time is a bad idea most of the time.

Likely their styles are different and it works out well for each because of the combination of things they do.
If you try to take something from each one, the result is usually like taking pieces of puzzle from totally different images and trying to fit them together in a new one.

You're not happy with the first coaching choice, stop and move on to a new one, otherwise stick with him.

A matter of taste really, to me it sounds like he says what he believes directly. Gordon doesn't hide the fact that he is not a modest person, quite the opposite.
Also, I think I've seen him explain he is a money maker, he teaches you how to make money (not beat Isildur HU or play perfect GTO).

If I were a student myself I would work well with someone who talks to me straight up and speaks his mind without censoring his words and who will call me a f*n idiot if he believes I am a f*n idiot.

I could see others getting offended by it as well(and I could also see Gordon call them a "f*n pussy" :-) ), so it's about what you prefer.

Did not in anyway disrespect your guys commitment. They are some of the hardest working stakees around, of that there is no doubt. However you claim that they are running/going to run hu for years to come. That is just a blatant misrepresentation or lie. You are too out of the loop yourself to be anywhere near the top of the hu pile, let alone your students. I'm not putting these guys down, they are straight up badasses for the effort they put in but if you are telling them that they are world beaters then be disappointed in yourself for misleading them, you know and I know that isn't true otherwise they'd be running the koth on stars, and come on... none of your current students are near that (and i don't think ex students are either).

Again, this does not diminish their money making skills. But when you say "**** poor people, they don't know how to make money at this game" etc etc then it should also be pointed out exactly how your guys are making money. The one who makes the most money from this is yourself, through a mixture of very hard work and also clever marketing. But if you can come in to a thread and tell a player to aim x high, then my point was why shouldn't someone else post in this thread saying "**** that gordon gecko, he's poor in comparison to me, and i tell you why, he can get you X high up the ladder and I can get you Y high". Do you see my point? you've told the guy to ignore other dickheads but then listen to people at your level. It's quite obnoxious and arrogant in the least.

I have no problem with your stakees or if anyone wants to join your program. You were indeed the person I was attacking in my post not your students. Not so much you personally but certainly the arrogance of that advert (which is what all your posts on 2+2 basically are). And lets be honest for every hansthegreat (you need to research on people like yadadamean21) we never hear about the guys that don't make it. There are about 4 names that you regularly pimp out on the site but you have taken on dozens... hundreds? of applicants. So is really difficult to gauge these successes as random variance or all your own work. I think in theory a lot more of your students should have made it than have actually been announced. And lets be honest.. if one of your guys made $50k or $100k, it would be plastered all over your coaching thread.

I don't hate you or even dislike you gordon, You were a very likeable guy when we had some sessions. I do really hate how you handle yourself on 2+2. The post in question was a bucket of aids and you know it. There are plenty of poker players who made money in the past, are rich and are totally ****ing useless now. Wealth is not an accurate measure of anything bar wealth. You may be more wealthy than some 2knl hu reg grinder but doesn't mean you are better than them.

It's not about e-dick waving. Saying "i'm rich listen to me" is e-dick waving. It's about being respectful, your post wasn't respectful, in the same way that serious hu regs would not respect your hu skills nowadays. Context is key. Sell your success but stop selling the bull**** with it too.


Yes and no, my issue isn't with someone selling themselves, it's about someone misrepresenting stuff. Like many things poker is an extremely fluid environment where strategies are improving all the time. I've had coaching from some of the best hu players in the world, including the likes of Gordon and D2themfi, Gordon proclaims to be the best etc etc but I have serious doubts he'd beat some of the better 400nl regs that battle... let alone break in to stars koth at 2k.

Gordon can def help people make money, no doubt about that but he won't make you a world beater and it's very easy to believe that's what he's suggesting he can do.

And if wealth is truly a measure of success and skill then **** gordon, I'm getting darvin moon as my next coach.

brb getting coaching off jamie gould

@Jonirenicus, thx for opinion.

JonIrenicus is a good guy and likely a very good coach. We had some misunderstanding some time ago and talked from guy to guy and quickly resolved it. He is a really classy person.

@the rest:

You don't know how humbling it is when people travel from all over the world to shake your hand, look into your eyes and say "Gordon, thank you, you saved my life" . Yes, i don't think i literally save lives... that's what doctors do. Their words, not mine. But it made me tremble and give me wet eyes.

I don't know what you haters get up every day for every day. There are obviously a dozen more examples, and our testimonial page will soon be updated on BPC and 2p2 thread.

We're the greatest team the poker world will ever see. And everybody reading this has to decide for themselves if they want to be a basement rat, jrk off to pr0n or do something with their life.

I have a love/hate relationship with haters. They are the greatest thing happening (money wise) and at the same time i personally despise the useless act of hating.

Can you address the issue with claims of CFP students multi-accounting?

I can...

I am at CFP and I promise you 100% Gordon has never advised this to me.

If some do then its almost certainly of their own choice.

I mean, I don't know what to say to your haters going to hate post. The fact that I disagreed with that stupid rant about rich people does not make me a hater. I said 2 things... firstly that you sounded an A-hole in that post, which you did and secondly that your players are not as high up the hu ladder as you say they are, which they're not. You can disagree with the first point all you want but the second point is set in stone and irrefutable. Instead of refuting it you said I was ****ting on your stable (I wasn't), that I was being unfair (again I wasn't) and now that they're the greatest poker team in the world (as opposed to say the evil empire which runs the high stakes hu lobbies at all sites and have $millions to prove it).

Instead of addressing the points I made you just started talking about saving lives or whatever nonsense that was. Gordon, I am agreeing with you that you've helped some people, not sure why you have to always go full marketing spew when people challenge you on other issues. A point gets made about x and you always pimp some ex student to talk about point Y.

Gordon there are more options in life thank jerking off in the basement or joining BCP. I honestly think it's getting to the point that you just like to masturbate your ego by putting others down that disagree with you. I can understand being extremely proud of what you've done, you've made a lot of money but maybe you're just proving that wealth equates to thikning you can act a bit of a **** and not have people call you out for it.

Again I will add that when i did sessions with you I thought you were incredibly nice (I still believe that is likely the case) but you act like a total ass on here.