such a waste of monies

/thread

Yeah I mean... Phil Galfond hiring Tommy Angelo... total waste of time, as you can see from Phil's results.

Pokerplayers paying for coaching = rouletteplayers paying for "systems"

If you are able to read, there is nothing a coach can tell you, that is not found by reading good strategy forums.
However, coaching is a nice way to extract money from the donk without risking variance.

this

PM me for coaching.

No

this is the type of thread i would expect from a guy named "Ihatelosing"

Yeah.....no. You've clearly never been coached, or else he sucked at coaching.

Yes. Please stop improving your game, people! Thanks.

Yeah, sure why go to school or pay for private education when it's all available in books anyway?

You're an idiot.

such a ******ed statement.

Then why do schools/school teachers exist?...why don't kids just sit at home and read all day?

Obviously there is an extreme advantage in being taught something in a hands-on manner, rather then reading it in a book.

danm... you beat me by like 30 seconds.

I once paid Tommy Angelo $800 for telephone coaching... one of the biggest wastes of time and money I've experienced in poker.

wow he actually gets people to buy that service?? sikk

How are your telephone skills now though?

Plus i have never sent money to a nigerian prince to get millions of $$$ back, but i still know its a scam.


So you compare school education with some degen losing gambler who trys to scam money out of donks for whispering them BS over skype for a few hours for ridiculous amounts of money?

Good job, you are the king of idiots.



[x] in before more 300$/hour "coaches" fearing for their $$$ and going beserk.

No, you dense and ignorant ******.
He's comparing the effects of teaching through example and action, as opposed to reading. Whether it be in poker, football, science, etc... having a coach or teacher obviously provides something that reading doesn't (or else those careers wouldn't even exist)...it takes the intellectual capacity of 5 year old to understand this.

Also, making implications as general as, "all coaching is useless and a ripoff" kills any credibility your opinion can possibly have.

just like in everything else, there are good and bad teachers.

also, the best players are rarely the best teachers in any sport/game.

cluelessness ITT

This. To say that any coach is a scammer is retarted. There are obviously poker coaches who wont teach you anything and there are poker coaches who will teach you a lot. Take football for instance. Why do you think Bellichick and Parcells are the best? Everyone knows their X's and O's. Thats not all coaching is about though unfortunatally. Same thing with poker.

Question: Why did you seek out coaching with Tommy Angelo, and what was it like?

Phil Galfond: I decided at one point that it made so much sense to get a coach. I realized that I might be playing poker for a long time, so a slight boost in hourly rate would end up being a ton of money. I made a post in hsnl (i think) saying I was looking for a coach. EL D basically said Tommy /end thread. A couple people agreed and I went with him. The experience was overall very very good but not at all what I expected or thought I wanted. It sounds like a line from a movie, but I like to say that Tommy didn't teach me the things I wanted to learn, but he taught me the things I needed to learn.

A lot of people don't get the most out of coaching because they ask the wrong questions. I think a program like Tommy's, where he sets out a lesson plan and tells you what he knows you need to learn is much better. I know I've written about the experience in detail somewhere. If anyone can find it, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise remind me later in the thread to look for it somewhere.

Nice example. They cant be good players (anymore) so they do coaching.
Same for poker "coaches". They had maybe a good run when the games were soft, but when they started getting destroyed they searched a new way to make some bucks.

You've never even had a coach so how are you even shooting down the idea?... It's ignorant on so many levels (especially coming from someone who "never cared about statistics" until 6 weeks ago). Like, wouldn't it make sense to get a clue before you speak like you're an experienced champion?

This is pure logic.

If a player wins 200$ dollar/hour playing poker he will not destroy his income by giving away everything for 100$ dollar/hour.

Next logic step:

If he does, he is
a) not winning 200$/hour
or
b) so stupid that his coaching must suck
or
c) a scammer

This is so obvious, when will you guys learn this? Fortytwo plays a very good 19/3 preflop game (according to his PT3) stats and he has most certainly proved that everything you need to know can come from reading.

berating fish is bad for the games.

you are right coaching is a waste of money