Where did he blackmail you?

tbh you kinda just ran good that grindtolive might be a scumbag because there wasn't any information ITT at that point that suggested he was anything but a bit of a lost poker player with a bad mentality

Your last point about not understanding how people are defending grindtolive is silly for the same reason.

I'm not saying grindtolive is a scumbag fwiw because I don't really trust anything Gordon says.

It was pretty obvious tbh rite from his first post, you are a bit naive if you read everything and still didn't suspect a thing.

arguing with you is as frustrating as arguing with Gordon because you just make claims with no evidence in an attempt to obfuscate the issue. No implication there!

circle the parts that make him look like a scumbag and repost!

Look, you've made up your mind. I don't expect you to change your opinion.
You've also sent me this link via PM once:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...onals-1252918/
(btw,I'm rooting for you and wish you all the best)

It always felt weird to me why somebody would be interested in my thread who isn't interested in my coaching. I thought you might be a friend of a competing coach, but i was wrong.

Now i just understand that you spend most of your day/night time in the forums, perhaps more time in my thread than i do myself.

It's not bad, but it felt a bit weird if you know what i mean. You also sent me PMs telling me you wouldn't want to post again in the thread. You've kept talking to me without me even asking or responding to anything at all.

Today, you "ban yourself" , but that lasted a few minutes.
One could conclude that you're obsessed with me. And that does feel creepy in a way.

So the more i answer, the more time you spend on me. Perhaps i should be honored, but maybe you know why i answer certain people and don't answer others. I hope you understand.

(I really don't care whether you post or not, just don't expect me to answer)

If you think its because of money, think again. I'm doing things that hurt my bottom line a lot (such as not deleting feedback from this guy when he asked the admins ; such as not paying him off when i knew he is gonna cause a drama bomb and people like you will thank him for entertaining yourself on a rainy day).



Ok, why the long paragraph:

I'm here to help students and answer their questions. You're for sure the better PR guy for a thread like this, but please understand that i am not here to please the masses.

I'm here to please motivated people who are success driven. People who love to improve at this game. They give me good grades all over.

Ever thought why the only people who say bad thins are:

1) Competing coach (who then gets owned by his own student that also then is a successful student of mine)

2) People like you, who - no offense - spend endless hours on 2p2, probably because of boredeom. But who have no coachign experience with me.

and now, just recently:

3) A pathetic guy, who sends me thousands emails that i coach him for free. After he saw "4" of my videos, he thought that they were sooo bad, that he sent other messages asking for a coaching for profits deal???
And then goes all around and posts calling me words and that I owe him a refund and trying to make all sorts of weird things.


Any idea? Do you see a pattern here? I do. And most viewers fortunately are smart enough to differentiate.


I'm not here to spend time with people who're looking to just "hang out" on 2p2. Not because i don't like you, just because i focus time on those who love what i love (Becoming better at poker, success in general).


Just don't want you to be hurt or think that i have something against you if i don't answer your questions. The opposite is the case, i do root for you and hope you achieve what you plan in your life.



Your question answered:

He skyped, signed up on Pokerstrategy, sent numerous emails with sketchy deals that he would "promise" to fulfill. His word doesn't even last for 24hours.
So every time i didn't "comply" with his ideas, he would make a post either here or even sign up at pokerstrategy just to spam there. Call it what you want, i have given it a name. In addition to that there was also lots of emotional blackmail (he can share skype and mails if he denies).

Wow that's a lot of words and none of them involve honoring your guarantee and not being a scumbag scamming thief.

This is the risk you run when offer a 100% money back guarantee. This is bound to happen. It's unfortunate but true. At the end of the day, Gordon still gets paid by the ones who purchased the product and didn't ask for a refund. When you offer a 100% money back guarantee you take this into consideration before you offer it, not after.


You were speculating.

CLIFFS:

-Gordon posts multiple times in this thread saying if you aren't satisfied, you don't pay.

-Grindtolive bought HU mastermind with real money.

-Grind to live isn't satisfied with the product. It isn't what he thought it would be, didn't know you'd have to do the homework with real money, etc.

-Grindtolive asks for money back.

-It comes to light that on Gordon's own website, he offers 100% money back guarantee.

-Gordon says oops my bad, I actually don't offer 30 day money back gurantees anymore. I need to update my website. No, you can't have your money back.

you're so colossally out of line

i post in your thread because it's extremely obvious that you're shady and scummy and I've been around the poker world for so long and have seen so many shady and scummy people take advantage of unsuspecting players that I think it's my responsibility to call out people like you

i spend a lot of time on the forums because i play internet poker professionally (read: not coach professionally) so I often read and browse between sessions or while playing if i don't have too many tables running. fwiw my life is actually pretty great right now.

the allegation that i'm obsessed with you is ridiculous and when I get time (which won't be another week because I'm flying to DC tomorrow then NYC for the next three days) I will take pleasure in thoroughly debunking every single one of your ridiculous claims in this thread, your use of tiny sample sizes in your graphs, and I'll also explain why the fact that you admit that you have played on many different accounts yet you only show the results of the accounts in which you ran good and won, plus the fact that you've coached hundreds of people that explains why you do get some good reviews but the reason for there not being negative reviews has more to do with the students who have negative experiences being unwilling to post their feedback, either because they blame it on themselves or they simply don't want to get involved in any drama... i lost the object of this sentence a long time ago but i think you get my point

i still can't believe you tried to make this personal with me. it's obviously the go-to move for every shady character. regardless, i want to clarify some specific things in this post

i said I wasn't planning on posting anymore in your thread back during that time where you decided to change the title of your thread to "#1 ranked coaching videos" despite that being a blatant lie. I wasn't going to post anymore because I was tired of getting involved in this stupid drama and I was planning on just working on my own life (see my PG&C thread) and ignoring characters like you. That changed when I saw you do something blatantly wrong with respect to this grindtolive guy.

edit: I actually posted a screenshot of that exact PM in this thread Look how obsessive and creepy I am!! http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=530


i was planning on banning myself for a few hours but I asked my friend, ssnl moderator orange, and he said you can only do a ban of 1 day minimum. I didn't want that because I wanted to update my poker goals and challenges threads before I went out of town for the week. So I started posting more. deal with it

huge **** you for saying i'm obsessed with you and that it's creepy. i'm obsessed with lying poker coaches who are stealing money from the community via misrepresentation

Wow that sure is relevent to the issue of you not honoring your guarantee.

in before he calls you obsessed and creepy simply because you too have a moral compass that gets offended by obvious scam artists* like the OP

I think I will go ahead and request that self-ban. I don't want to waste my time on 2p2 while I'm away. Also, I've got to get ready for tonight. I'm spending the night before I leave with this new girl I'm dating. She's a doctor. lol @ Gordon

In before my posts in this thread were made because I'm a "competing coach."

****ing scumbag.

Give the guy the refund that was promised on your web site. Then start using your real name instead of this obnoxious pseudonym and drop the laughable ad hominems and ******ed bold text. It's not about being right all the time, winning every stupid little battle, and sucking up every dollar. Sometimes it's about not being a terrible person.

Where did i blackmail you? This is a total lie. It is another lie as the refund thing. Things like old page that didnt update so long shows how ''professional'' you are in your approach. Yes you have a 13 post supporter and i guess you could find many of them and all the people know why

I NEVER BLACKMAILED THIS PERSON AND THIS IS A LIE

I want my money back as you say in your page that i read before i buy this product. PEOPLE CARE ABOUT THE AIR REFUND

Yet the 2+2 moderators dont take action

Lol im sorry but what the **** dude your a such a freak. Go get some sunlight.

I think its bad that you are attacking a fellow coach when you obviously don't know all that facts. Get your head out of your arse.

We posted all the facts 18 post supporter

What does it matter that i have 18 posts? I have more posts than you do here over on deuces cracked.

Gordon, your personal attack on Keyser was the most out of line, inappropriate, and classless thing I have seen out of anyone in this forum, let alone an actual coach who sells themselves here. I am truly shocked you went to that level and further shocked you have not deleted it immediately after. I am truly embarrassed to admit I ever respected you, and actually gave you money for your product.

You will be getting exactly what you wished for. I generally try to avoid negative reviews because I dont like spending my time and energy on negative actions which is why I have yet to write you the review you deserve.

I think your double your 6max winrate course was a complete and utter waste of money. As you know I asked for a refund (was told no obviously) and after watching the course a total of 2 full times and doing the homework, I stand by my assessment. A full review on each and every aspect of why I think your course is terrible will take me a couple of hours, and I am very busy over the next 3 days. But rest assured you will have a very in depth and negative review from a successful professional poker player who has a very good reputation in the 2+2 community.

And before you attempt to call me a hater, let it be clear that I have purchased other products and coaching hours from multiple coaches in this forum and I couldn't be happier with them. My glowing reviews of their products and services can be found in this forum. Your negative review from me will be a result of your product being very far below the level of any other video series I have ever seen. My motivation for writing it now comes from my being absolutely appalled at your behavior and lack of class displayed here, that I cant stand the thought of anyone else being duped into wasting their money on your video series by your scummy marketing tactics. I actually owe this forum an apology for not writing the review sooner, as it is my moral obligation to do so. I see that now, and I am sorry.

Also I would like to further clarify to the public that this preview review is based on his "Double your 6max winrate Course" and not HU mastermind or his coaching. I actually think Gordon is likely a good player (judging by the thought process I heard in his video), and possibly a good coach because of that.

Oh. Good point. I hadn't considered that I "obviously don't know all that [sic] facts." You're right, I never should've questioned the "#1 Ranked" coach in the sub-forum, especially when I happen to have a listing myself. That matters!

I've seen the light. I will now go kill myself. Hey "Gordon," do you have a "system" that teaches suicide? PM me!

I read your thread all the time, and never read other coaches,just lots of entertainment itt.

Question from a poster:


My answer:


"grindtolive" was referring to those posts when sending me many PMs. He quoted them in the PM.

He was well aware that i don't give refunds. I still can't believe anybody is defending this guy.

(If its out of hate, jealousy for me, if you're a competing coach, i understand you have to make up for other things. Go ahead, attack me, but please don't defend somebody like this)


Especially not to someone asking for it on the next day, then erraticly posting, then apologizing, then he promising to at least do the course, then posting again.

If he at least tried a bit more than i would have helped him for free and given a refund. I have done this in the past.


And again, this guy was already granted a refund before. We have talked for a long time, so he knew everything.

Yeah there are jealous of you because you scam people. There is another guy that reuested a refund and never gave it to him. Moreover i read your faq site before i register and you say you have 30 days refund. I want my refund. NOW

Show us where you gave a refund. To a 5 poster maybe? Hmmm

OP is so shady that it disgusts me for real.

Hi,

before i say my opinion of this case i have to say that Gordon is the most honest and trustworthy person i have ever met.
You don't know many things about this guy, but he takes care of many people.


Gordon is really good at exciting people, motivating and coaching. I am myself a successful student and know many of others in person who Gordon has helped to play mid/highstakes after losing at low buyins. He is the best at that, because he never stopped helping and beliefing even on a downswing.

Sorry Gordon, but as a friend i have to say he is not always doing good when handling public cases. He handled bad before in this thread, because he is very stubborn. When he beliefs strong in something he does not listen to others (not even to me, we are good friends now).

Stubborn is what makes him best coach. He is stubborn in making success, he never gives up, even if you give up. He does not listen to anybody when they say "give up". He also is boxer and if you want to hear "i give up" you need to kill him ; )

Maybe now you understand why Gordon does not want to refund somebody who gives up. Gordon wants to fight for him and but guy does not want after 1 day.
If student does not fight, no refund.

But Gordon is also not very popular to people who don't know him. Because people who don't know Gordon don't belief how much he can help.


I would have gaven money to guy so he shuts up. I think "grindtolive" poster is a terrible person and does not deserve refund. But i would have paid to avoid trouble and drama. Because people who don't know Gorodn will think bad.
Gordon told me it is a principle and that principles made him success. I told him how other people will look at this.


Gordon does not need money. He coaches for fun and love of doing it.


Sorry for bad english, Scipio


@Haters: I agree with some of what you say. But still not fair to use some of words you use. He deserves much criticism, because of stubborn.

But does not change what everybody says, that he is the best coach and really cares about student like nobody else and very honest person.