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02-21-2008 , 07:56 AM
Just read that Matusow joined PokerSavvy and will be posting videos of him playing PLO. Should be errr.... fun?!
PS. not meant as an advertisement, just news
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02-21-2008 , 07:58 AM
Limit HiLo? How to go broke by Mikey :P
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02-21-2008 , 08:02 AM
I watched a 3minute sample of one of his videos but I didn't like it that much.
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02-21-2008 , 12:31 PM
I've seen him do a strategy session on high lo which was actually pretty good but not sure about his high
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02-21-2008 , 12:38 PM
gonna watch it - will be entertaining imo
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02-21-2008 , 01:31 PM
He'll be doing PLO, Hi/Lo, HORSE, and NLHE vids. Yes they are entertaining but I think you'll also be surprised how good he is at analyzing hands and actually teaching. Obv I am biased since I run the site, but I think our members would agree. and he'd be the first to tell you he's much better at Hi/Lo than PLO.
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02-21-2008 , 04:25 PM
Before I ever pay money for a training vid from Mike Id have to have evidence, mainly a screenshot of his pt and a graph of his winnings. Other than that I see no reason to watch one of his training vids unless its for entertainment only.
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02-21-2008 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bsidensol
He'll be doing PLO, Hi/Lo, HORSE, and NLHE vids. Yes they are entertaining but I think you'll also be surprised how good he is at analyzing hands and actually teaching. Obv I am biased since I run the site, but I think our members would agree. and he'd be the first to tell you he's much better at Hi/Lo than PLO.
how do you sign a guy, that from what i hear, is pretty big loser online?
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02-21-2008 , 04:46 PM
Mike is really underrated as a Hi/Lo player, he's actually an excellent Hi/Lo player, but it's tough beating the online players that don't understand how to play Hi/Lo.

Oh and Mike was playing 10/20 NL HU a couple of weeks ago and walked away up around 3k.
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02-21-2008 , 04:47 PM
Mike lost like 500k+ online, and got into debt, which he paid back after his big WPT* finish. He's been doing REALLY well for a while at 5kNL and 200/400 LO8. Anyway, just cause someone doesn't have personal management skills doesn't make them a bad player. Ask any FT pro, and they'll tell you if mike's got his life together, he's SUPER good.
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02-21-2008 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Fonzy4

Oh and Mike was playing 10/20 NL HU a couple of weeks ago and walked away up around 3k.
oh phew. so he IS winning player.
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02-21-2008 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fonzy4
Mike is really underrated as a Hi/Lo player, he's actually an excellent Hi/Lo player, but it's tough beating the online players that don't understand how to play Hi/Lo.
He's commonly accepted among live pros to be one of the best hi/lo players in the world. I remember at one of my tables in the 50k HORSE, we were talking about who the best player was for each game, and the I think Mike for Hi/Lo was the only person the table seemed to have a consensus on (maybe Ivey for Stud too).

Edit: If you ask Mike, he'll say he's DEFINITELY the best in the world, and no one is even close.

Last edited by ZeeJustin; 02-21-2008 at 05:06 PM.
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02-21-2008 , 05:00 PM
"Mike is really underrated as a Hi/Lo player, he's actually an excellent Hi/Lo player, but it's tough beating the online players that don't understand how to play Hi/Lo."

WTF? Is your last name matasow? This makes no sense to me.
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02-21-2008 , 05:06 PM
I think Mike has found his niche online. He never plays 6max anymore, he only plays full ring NLHE, unless he moves down to 10/20 to play HU. And from what I've seen he routinely builds huge stacks at FR. I remember one time I saw him sitting with over 50k at one table and over 20k at another table, he had a total of 15 stacks on 2 tables. You have to be damn good to do that, although I do think he put in an isanely long session that day.
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02-21-2008 , 05:36 PM
I've been talking a lot with Mike lately about strategy. Like the poster above me stated, Mike has definitely found his niche online by playing 25/50 NL Full Ring only pretty much and the 6 handed O8 games, along with occasional PLO which he's not bad at as well. Mike Matusow today is not nearly the same Mike Matusow/dill pickle of two years ago. He's definitely the most solid O8 player I've come across lately as well. I actually think I'd like to crossbook with anybody his online winnings/losses for the rest of 2008 in some way. Let me know if anybody has interest.
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02-21-2008 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
"Mike is really underrated as a Hi/Lo player, he's actually an excellent Hi/Lo player, but it's tough beating the online players that don't understand how to play Hi/Lo."

WTF? Is your last name matasow? This makes no sense to me.
No, my last name isn't "Matasow", read the post above your's and it might make sense.
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02-21-2008 , 05:52 PM
Id still take a pt screenshot over a few notable posters saying that he is good. Does PokerSavy plan to prove that Mike is a winning player or are they just gonna use his name to boost memberships?
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02-21-2008 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by demon102
Id still take a pt screenshot over a few notable posters saying that he is good. Does PokerSavy plan to prove that Mike is a winning player or are they just gonna use his name to boost memberships?
The short answer is both. Mike is obv a big marketing hook for us since his name recognition and reputation extend way beyond 2+2 to poker players everywhere. At the same time, we would never have signed him if we weren't convinced that he was a great player and a great teacher. So he is on the site for instructional, entertainment and marketing reasons.

At the same time, if you don't like Mike, don't respect his game or don't enjoy his videos we think that the rest of our team is also extremely solid. Ansky, Ike and Jurollo are well-respected regulars here on 2+2 and their results and videos speak for themselves. The same is true of Evan and tribefan though they are less active on 2+2 than the others.

So we think that Mike's name recognition will help us expose our product to the widest possible audience. We also think his videos deliver and we know the rest of our pros are making great videos. Once users are in the door we think they'll find something that meets their needs and keeps them happy. We even run a totally free 7-day trial to allow people to make their decision with full information.

We fully expected Mike's addition to the team to create some debate among online players and I think that's great. I also think that if you set some preconceptions aside and approach Mike's videos with an open mind you may find that they're pretty solid. And if you don't, you may like the videos of our other guys. And if that fails, well, it didn't cost you anything to figure it out.

Thx,
Matt
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02-21-2008 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeJustin
He's commonly accepted among live pros to be one of the best hi/lo players in the world. I remember at one of my tables in the 50k HORSE, we were talking about who the best player was for each game, and the I think Mike for Hi/Lo was the only person the table seemed to have a consensus on (maybe Ivey for Stud too).

Edit: If you ask Mike, he'll say he's DEFINITELY the best in the world, and no one is even close.
LOL @ the bobby's room players decided who's good at what game. Mike Matusow being the best hi/lo player in the world has as much merit as Sam Farha being the best PLO player. The live in their little fairytale land and make up lies to themselves.

Mike Matusow being the best at hi/lo is such a joke. He's not a bad player, but there are a lot of lineups he's not even winning in. And to BoostedJ, I would like action on your bet.
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02-21-2008 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fonzy4
No, my last name isn't "Matasow", read the post above your's and it might make sense.
Sorry I didn't mean to dis. Mike by mispelling his name, or your post either, but you're saying he's unable to beat players who suck? I'm probably somewhat ******ed here, but that's how I read your post.
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02-21-2008 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by J_V
LOL @ the bobby's room players decided who's good at what game. Mike Matusow being the best hi/lo player in the world has as much merit as Sam Farha being the best PLO player. The live in their little fairytale land and make up lies to themselves.

Mike Matusow being the best at hi/lo is such a joke. He's not a bad player, but there are a lot of lineups he's not even winning in. And to BoostedJ, I would like action on your bet.
How much do you want to bet on it? I'm all ears. Do you want to do specifically O8 since you say there's lineups he's not even winning in? Get someone to come vouch for you too. I'm sure durrrr or at least a few other people will vouch for me if you need it. I have no idea who you are or how much money you're willing to risk, so let me know you're situation. Thanks.
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02-21-2008 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Boosted J
I actually think I'd like to crossbook with anybody his online winnings/losses for the rest of 2008 in some way. Let me know if anybody has interest.
Er FYI, for the guy wanting to take the bet. Trying to collect off Boosted isn't as easy as it sounds, you may want to crossbook your bet with someone else at the same time to cover yourself

100% no risk that way.
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02-21-2008 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by demon102
Before I ever pay money for a training vid from Mike Id have to have evidence, mainly a screenshot of his pt and a graph of his winnings. Other than that I see no reason to watch one of his training vids unless its for entertainment only.
its my understanding, matasow sits in the highest games. i dont think his results would really indicate his skills. so he gets housed by the best players in the world. can he beat lower limits? he could even be one of the best in the world but if hes playing ivey, pa and aba all day (or their plo, o8 equivalents) hes gonna lose.
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02-21-2008 , 07:12 PM
watching his 1/2 plo vid right now, its pretty interesting and he actually seems v knowledgable. well, at least much more my expected grunting and occasional mouseclick
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02-21-2008 , 07:30 PM
From my observations, there aren't a lot of people playing high stakes limit O8 online. So I invite the anti-Mike poster to name who he/she thinks are the 5 best LO8 players.
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