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Old 04-30-2009, 02:12 AM   #51
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Re: doughnutz ?!

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The key to success in LHE is making less mistakes than your opponent. In this hand, I think doughnutz's flop c/r is a small-to-medium sized mistake, while his opponent's flop bet is a small mistake and his river bet is a big mistake. Doughnutz wins 2-1 and is justly awarded the pot.

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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with 6 2
utg calls, 2 folds, doughnutz calls, Hero checks

Flop: (3 SB) A 2 T (3 players)
doughnutz checks, Hero checks, utg bets, doughnutz raises, Hero folds, utg calls

Turn: (3.5 BB) 8 (2 players)
doughnutz bets, utg calls

River: (5.5 BB) 5 (2 players)
doughnutz checks, utg bets, doughnutz calls

Final Pot: 7.5 BB
doughnutz shows 7 5 (a pair of Fives)
utg shows J K (high card Ace)
doughnutz wins 7.48 BB
(Rake: $2.00)

This hand is a completely standard bluff and you don't have to be dough to play it this way.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:03 AM   #52
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Re: doughnutz ?!

lol this thread i so brutal. its shocking that dough was the guy that when he was "crushing" everyone was like "wtf" how does this keep happening. "he CANT keep doing that, its SO BAD"

hes always done **** that seems super brutal, but he has done it in a way that makes it not so brutal and often times in a very profitable way against certain opposition. Maybe the games have outgrown it...
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:12 AM   #53
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OK. I'll see if I can find it for you, although I am sure you can find it in your database. QTo in the BB within the last 10 days. I could be wrong, although I doubt it.
Here's a hand I played with PokerBob at Commerce a while ago:

9 handed, PBob raises UTG, i coldcall with 77 iin MP, loose button calls and both loose blinds call.

Flop is 754 rainbow. PBob bets, I raise, button 3 bets, blinds fold, PBob caps.

Turn is offsuit 2. PBob bets, I raise, button thinks awhile and then calls (with 66). PBob calls.

River is a 4. To my amazement, PBob donks. As I'm raising, I'm thinking that everyone at this table (including the dealer and the cocktail waitress) knows PBob has a big pair and I flopped a set, so if PBob 3bets me, I am going to crying call and expect to see 44.

Button folds instantly and PBob folds and leaves the table.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:15 AM   #54
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lol this thread i so brutal. its shocking that dough was the guy that when he was "crushing" everyone was like "wtf" how does this keep happening. "he CANT keep doing that, its SO BAD"

hes always done **** that seems super brutal, but he has done it in a way that makes it not so brutal and often times in a very profitable way against certain opposition. Maybe the games have outgrown it...
Or maybe there is variance.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:18 AM   #55
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Or maybe there is variance.
I agree,

Extreme positive variance followed by normal running?
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:44 AM   #56
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I assume that the tableratings errors are errors of omission, not incorrect hands. If this data is incomplete, than it is a huge coincidence that its only capturing losing hands/sessions?
table ratings has me down $5k to one opponent, when i'm actually up $2600. it was a quick 120 hand hu session. this is the only time i've played this opponent. i was never down in the match, and i didn't lose a bunch at the end or anything if you're thinking they just missed the beginning hands.

also over my first 60k hands since the end of november when cereus was formed, i was winning 1.7bb/100 according to hem, but tableratings had me as a .11bb/loser. they had most of my hands too, over 80%.

i don't even bother using that site anymore to see who i'm playing.
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:33 AM   #57
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Re: doughnutz ?!

Affleck, Bob's play is the least of your concern if that's your standard preflop play vs UTG raisers in tight full ring games.
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:49 AM   #58
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I want more HU vids from Doughnutz on stoxpoker.
(And from Mike on CR)
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Old 04-30-2009, 12:02 PM   #59
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Affleck, Bob's play is the least of your concern if that's your standard preflop play vs UTG raisers in tight full ring games.
+1,

he probabily just saw a cold call and saw your action so, was like "well 77 is dumb, 57s ,68s KK, QQ is not that much dumber, I just outdrew 57, so I may as well throw a bet in in case he checks it back, my money will probabily go in better"

I think bob plays really well from what ive seen at full ring 1/2 at commerce

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Old 04-30-2009, 01:03 PM   #60
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loose button calls and both loose blinds call.

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Affleck, Bob's play is the least of your concern if that's your standard preflop play vs UTG raisers in tight full ring games.
I admit I still am working on my preflop play. Pretty soon, it might be as good as your typical live pro's.
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:23 PM   #61
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zomg coldcall first in!! the horror!
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:38 PM   #62
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Here's a hand I played with PokerBob at Commerce a while ago:

9 handed, PBob raises UTG, i coldcall with 77 iin MP, loose button calls and both loose blinds call.

Flop is 754 rainbow. PBob bets, I raise, button 3 bets, blinds fold, PBob caps.

Turn is offsuit 2. PBob bets, I raise, button thinks awhile and then calls (with 66). PBob calls.

River is a 4. To my amazement, PBob donks. As I'm raising, I'm thinking that everyone at this table (including the dealer and the cocktail waitress) knows PBob has a big pair and I flopped a set, so if PBob 3bets me, I am going to crying call and expect to see 44.

Button folds instantly and PBob folds and leaves the table.
I recall this hand and was not happy with it.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:27 PM   #63
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Here's a hand I played with PokerBob at Commerce a while ago:

9 handed, PBob raises UTG, i coldcall with 77 iin MP, loose button calls and both loose blinds call.

Flop is 754 rainbow. PBob bets, I raise, button 3 bets, blinds fold, PBob caps.

Turn is offsuit 2. PBob bets, I raise, button thinks awhile and then calls (with 66). PBob calls.

River is a 4. To my amazement, PBob donks. As I'm raising, I'm thinking that everyone at this table (including the dealer and the cocktail waitress) knows PBob has a big pair and I flopped a set, so if PBob 3bets me, I am going to crying call and expect to see 44.

Button folds instantly and PBob folds and leaves the table.
Lol-pokerbob-being-a-donk-aments.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:30 PM   #64
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Haha, I love this forum, everyone has to get a jab in on someone. It's a beautiful circle of symmetry, no one goes untouched.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:48 PM   #65
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Lol-pokerbob-being-a-donk-aments.
I'm clearly awful, and yet you could never beat me.
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Old 04-30-2009, 02:49 PM   #66
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It's not that bad at all , but, I still think its a mistake.

Problem is most of the time your going to be in a 3-way or 4 pot sandwhiched in between a range that is beating your hand cleanly and a range that may connect flops that are good for your hand against an UTG+1 range.

IE

Js4s2c, is a flop you like, but one your money is still going to go in pretty bad

You can't utilize your position, because you will often be trying to "isolate" and the loose-pasive will call two cold on the button..

Now UTG will likely jam a flush draw and overpairs in this spot, forcing you to put in a lot of bets with pretty awful equity or fold the best hand. (Cold caller could have KQ/Jx/A5/FD/ a few mid pocket pairs, plus an UTG jamming range which kills yours)

Your really hoping to flop a set or get an all low board like 456.. But at no time is your hand in good shape unless you do flop a set.

You wont flop a set enough to justify the costs imo, unless the loose players are also stupidly agressive post flop, then it's a good play.

But ya, it's far from dumb was just jabbing. But death donkey did say IF this is your standard you have problems.

I like a cold call with TT/AQs in this spot

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Old 04-30-2009, 03:18 PM   #67
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I like a cold call with TT/AQs in this spot
Coldcalling my utg raise with 77/TT/AQs, while not horrible (like doing so with 94o would be) is still quite bad and a mistake I wouldn't expect a good player to make.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:54 PM   #68
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I'm clearly awful, and yet you could never beat me.

Hey Bob, at least your "look how awful bob plays" hand really isn't so bad especially if it's the sterling example used to showcase your bad play.
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Old 04-30-2009, 03:55 PM   #69
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Haha, I love this forum, everyone has to get a jab in on someone. It's a beautiful circle of symmetry, no one goes untouched.
Hey Dr. Olson, Justin Verlander couldn't touch the broad side of a barn.
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:07 PM   #70
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I vote this thread becomes the offical HSLHE "Look at wat a donkey this reg is" flame thread...

seems rather appropriate that its titles "Doughnutz"
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:47 PM   #71
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Verlander: 1-2, 6.75 34:9
Liriano: 0-4, 6.04 20:11 K:BB

You picked a bad time to jab at Verlander!
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Old 04-30-2009, 04:51 PM   #72
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Coldcalling my utg raise with 77/TT/AQs, while not horrible (like doing so with 94o would be) is still quite bad and a mistake I wouldn't expect a good player to make.
I don't mean in general,
With 3 loose/bad players behind you?

While im sure its not your standard play, I recall you opening QJo 9 handed once.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:03 PM   #73
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Hey Bob, at least your "look how awful bob plays" hand really isn't so bad especially if it's the sterling example used to showcase your bad play.
hes just lucky nobody posted the hand he called a turn bet with 98 red on like Q7xx two clubs vs some fish or the time he called my turn c/r with 87 black on like Q632 then raised the A river. he must be the worst player ive ever seen except for the fool that 6bet bluffed the river that one time.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:38 PM   #74
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Is this a level? How tight are you supposed to be in 9 handed games? I thought for sure 77 was a clear 3-bet. My own utg range is about KQ,KJs,A8s,AT,66 depending on opposition.
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Old 04-30-2009, 06:10 PM   #75
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I'm clearly awful, and yet you could never beat me.
Well buddy, its just funny since your always so quick to jump on the so-and-so is absolutely ***** ******ed since he played this hand like such bandwagon. And look what you did! I think you need to develop better reads on your opponents!***!

On the beating front, I'm happy to play you whenever . But I'd also like to buy you a drink sometime, because from your online persona, you seem absolutely bat**** insane (in a fun way, not a lock in your basement and rape for 20 years way).
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