When I used to coach I would always have a short Skype chat with potential students.

When I was coached they all talked to me first on Skype before any money changed hands.

None of these arrangements were CFP deals.

Nice!

Lfg.


Bpc acting in really bad faith here’s imo. And using a lot of long drawn out paragraphs trying to make you look like the good guy.



I’ve coached a lot of losers into winners for cfp btw and not cfp. Doesn’t work like this.

Darn. A terrorist and a weasel. Thank you for your replies. This seems to have went far enough. I was shocked when I first heard one of Gordon's videos, and how fowl mouthed he was. Calling folks names, and cursing constantly. Everything else seemed fairly professional, and he was the only one to do that on a video that I saw. It does seem this goes deeper as a company, I don't know if the things others are saying on here are true. But I do know I will not bother you again. I think this forum has spoken loudly enough.

Thank you very much.

You used to coach or perhaps haven't coached for a long time. And perhaps you gave your students a lot of free time, which is nice of you.

It's a different thing when you attract a lot of people.
If your time is valuable you can't give every micro stakes players a free feel-out session.

Does this have to be spelled out.

Talk is cheap. We have publicly documented history. Where is yours? I wouldnt ask for it, but you use quite big words...

Will you want to coach OP? Are you willing to coach him for free, spend 20 hours until he returns $5 for his first share? Oh, only in case he doesn't get "legal trouble" again... in which case you may not even get a thank you.

Instead you will be accused of "doing wrong" lol.

Keep talking. A lot of other coaches had their lying mouths cleaned out and then closed their threads in shame and vanished.

We can prob bet, Use escrow And I’ll provide evidence as well as the people to back it up.


You didn’t do what you’re askin me to do. You gave him access to some videos no one on one coaching. Lol

Cheap virtue signal. Let's say 25:1 chance this will help him (im being nice), but nobody will ever know...

If you really wanna help him and not use him as a stupid pawn to moralize, then tell one of your coaches to coach him. Let him document it in a P&G thread. Publicly from day one.

And if you do well, let us know so we can donate 200% of his profits in your name (or anybody you wish) to KhanAcademy.org or any other charity that really helps people. Let's agree on some reasonable conditions, we wont even hold you up to our own standard. Turn him into NL25 winner in 6 months or suggest whatever you believe is reasonable. Really simple, nothing outrageous. Sincere offer.

This way we'll all root for him to win.

See how playing "good guy" is fun . It costs nothing. And makes you feel good about yourself.

Only one problem. Doesn't make students any money, only yourself... But for some that does not seem to be a problem.


Prizzy, let us know in this thread if you'd be willing to be coached by somebody of their team. Under certain conditions we can even pay for the coaching if successful.

We'll really try hard to not give them any excuse to back out of this. I'm just really curious HOW they will back out

To clarify. Prob bet that you'll coach him and succeed (we define the terms, you can suggest).

He had access, so we can speculate to how much he is telling the truth. Generally speaking i am not very believing of people stating "legel trouble", but i try to be agnostic.

And yes, he did not receive 1-1 bc he went awol. Not asking you to do anything at all, give him 1-1 or anything. Just help him. You can show him videos as well. Or do whatever you believe will make him win...bc supposedly you're an expert at that.

Nice work fella.

How the **** is a $500 deposit connected with "FREE". Nothing wrong about a deposit to keep some customers away, but calling a student out for being lazy (even if he was) and putting a deadline on videos (not 1:1 coaching) is damn ridiculous.

No way you should have returned him $500, but providing some basic pool of videos for a $500 deposit (that is LOST) for life is not too much to ask for.

At least OP got some RIO videos in return - classic move.

BPC, not only will they steal your deposit, but they will also flame you afterwards on internet forums.

Prizzy: "This CFP deal looks like something for me. Others are successful with it, and I don't have to play a lot if I'm busy, I can progress at my own pace. The only thing I have to do is post 1 update 1x per week - or write to them that I can't make updates at the moment, so they know I'm still alive in case I'm not playing much. That sounds fair, let's do it."

Joins, saying he agrees to this condition. Time passess, doesn't update, doesn't communicate.

BPC: "This prizzy fella is not updating. He is breaking his part of the deal. Let's give him a chance and wait some more. Let's send reminders to him, to post an update.

More time passes. No updates, no communication, ignoring everything.

BPC: "Still no updates. Reminders were ignored. Maybe he just isn't into poker anymore. We really should deactivate his account, he is breaking all rules repeatedly, ignoring us as well."

Even more time passess.

BPC: "Ok you know what? Let's deactivate his account. We really should have done it before, but let's not have a ghost in the group anymore."

Account deactivated.

More time passess.

..and more time passess...

...

Prizzy eventually realizes he can't join sessions anymore, and watch recordings.

Prizzy: "I'm angry. This is not my fault. I will go to the 2p2 forum and try to damage their brand".

Goes to forum and writes a version of the events, leaving things out. Privatelly, he starts asking for a discount. No discount is offered. Gets more angry.

Some Forum Guys: "Prizzy is a good and moral man. He is a victim of an evil, greedy corporation. Typical."

BPC: "Prizzy cut the crap, you know what you did. Stop the BS."

Some Forum Guys: Evil greedy BPC corporation is flaming poor Prizzy. Look at their language!"

Run it once: "Hey Prizzy here is a free 40 dollars. You deserve it."

Some Forum Guys: "RIO is moral and good."


This used to be a serious poker forum. This thread is like a poorly written comedy drama, with mostly simple-minded choir members. Thank you welfare state and public schools for creating strong independent thinkers. Otherwise we'd have mob-mentality driven massess.

For the record, Prizzy paid 250 dollars deposit originally (doesn't change the principles involved though.) We gave him a 50% discount. He just asked - privatelly of course, not to ruin the narrative of this thread - for another one couple of days ago. This time we said no more. So while this makes you angry, it's simply the honest real response. CFP is not for you, at least not this time.

In a perfect world you'd learn from this - not that evil corporations are stealing from you - but that if you don't stick to things you agree, people will eventually call you out on it. Well - some people, others will rather publicly use you as a pawn to score PR points, and make this lesson hard to extract for you, but it is what it is.

It feels nice to get something for free, but it's called enabling and is actually damaging to you - removing the natural consequences of your behavior, which makes it hard to learn from mistakes. BPC will tell you "you played this hand like a donk and lost the pot", others will tell you "it's not your fault, here's 40 dollars so you can keep playing". Now choose your adventure...

Another one for the record - PokerPlayingGamble you're a moron. Some shady casino steals from you, and you show up here randomly accusing BPC of stealing from a poor victim like yourself, heh? No transference happening there. Well done emo-boy.

"Oh god here they go again, calling a poor honest person a moron, how unprofessional, and look at the language they use!

So RIO can you hook him up with a couple months as well please?

It matters less that prizzy messed it up than you guys charging a "deposit fee", that's not even a one time thing. For $500 others offer way more than just the chance to watch some videos for a limited time (if making the mistake of ignoring mails).

And here you are all acting like you're a solid company for micro stakes players looking for CFP. "How about another $500 deposit"?

So if somebody is a little bit ****ed up and can't get his **** together you're going to charge him 5x $500 deposits every time he gets absent from poker for 1-2 months? How's that even called a deposit? It's clearly a fee (that you can get back if you're winning).

1) Oh, so now it doesn't matter that he broke the agreement? What happened to "BPC is lying and stealing from poor Prizzy"?

2) It was 250 dollars, like I said. Never 500.

3) Not just a chance to "watch some videos". Daily coaching webinars - EVERY day with perhaps some exceptions. Plus post any hand on the BPC forum and get a video answer from the coach a couple of days later.

That's 3 manipulations already in your post. Hopefully out of ignorance and not emotional charge, doubt it.


Nobody is going to force him, or charge him anything 5 times, what planet do you live on? It's a free society, not North Korea. How you can just invent a story in your head, and then start believing it and typing it publicly as if it's somehow connected with reality, just to prove a point you pre-decided on without knowing even 5% of the facts, is beneath contempt. It's not even a straw-man argument at this point, it's just pathetic. He is even explicitly told several times to not rejoin in this very thread. WTF. I just repeated in the post above that CFP is not for him.

We gave him a fee-waiver to our subscription which is launching in the next 2 weeks - that's a 200 euro gift. 5 weeks of free access to daily coaching webinars for not only 6-max, but Spin, MTT, Zoom, PLO. Plus all the video libraries. Plus 26 courses.

Prizzy feel free to confirm this gift was offered days ago to you after you sent us PM asking to rejoin CFP at a discount.

We did it privatelly so as to not steal the limelight from Run it once's cheap PR trick. It made everybody feel so warm inside to see prizzy used as a pawn by RIO to improve their standing in the community, we didn't wanna ruin the party by injecting reality.

To be fair, it's a universal offer for all former CFP students of ours, not just Prizzy.

Of course now you will say "oh, now they want to hook him on a monthly subscription later down the road, evil greedy BPC". When you are "outraged" by people asking value in return for value, it tells more about how you really see your own perceived value than anything else.

Finally, YES it's a deposit - but of course if you lose your deposit by breaking the agreement and then say "you see, it's wasn't a deposit, it was a fee", then well-played to your reality-twisting. GTFO DuFisch.

The most disgusting part is how yall are treating Prizzy as some type of loser-victim who is "just fckd up" and "can't pull his **** together" and needs free 40 dollars to make life worth living. Yaay thank the lord you are here to rescue him and stand up for him since he is such a poor weakling, huh? Yea you're really doing him good and showing him respect.

At the same time patting yourself on the back for doing good in the world. He is a grown man who makes decisions and mistakes. When he makes a mistake, he doesn't need to be rescued with a free 40 dollars and other slave-mentality people telling him he is a victim in this world. He should be told he made a mistake, is wrong, and should correct his behaviour so he doesn't repeat it in the future. I'm sure none of this makes any sense to you, though.

The PM did say that.

It's been a pleasure responding to all the PM's. I think this thread will be very helpful for folks just beginning in poker and looking for coaching. BPC's marketing is great, but the professionalism on display is systemic of the organization. There were some of the coaches that made videos that seemed professional, didn't name call and curse, but the message coming from the top doesn't seem to push that.

Anyone looking for coaching can find other coaching for profit coaches, that much I have learned from all this. Thanks for everyone's contribution!!

You are a piece of work. I don't know your age, but I hope in a few years you look back at this and realize how unprofessional your conduct is. If the folks that run BPC see this, and aren't appalled, that's a real disappointment.

It's not even that you are wrong or anything. Your language and petulance makes any organization your representing look bad.

Prizzy, being out of bpc is the best that could happen to you. You would waste months if not years with them just to find out that you and other students are not progressing. They feed on deposits. Trust me, I was in cfp with them and it took me a while to find out that close to no one around is making money. They refuse provide data on how many have joined recently and what percentage actually made it. Guess why. Instead they will juggle with the same old stories/names: Hans, Maestro, Nubson... Just like broken, poorly brought up record with severe superiority complex.

You labeled it "petulance", after admitting we're right. This thread is nothing but name-calling since the start, and it didn't come from BPC, it came from you, later joined by a couple of trolls. If you keep poking the bear, you will get a reaction.

1. you start this thread with a lie in its very title
2. a few mob-mentality people read it and call BPC liers, cheats..
3. we correct your lie with facts
4. mob-mentality guys simply dissapear - no "sorry for calling you thiefs" etc.. Ok, standard, to be expected
4. you admit we're right - but then change your complaint to "BPC is unprofessional for calling me a liar"

You like to throw words like "professional" around. Breaking agreements and covering up the story? Coming for "revenge" to damage our company with lies? Sorry mate, but you're no judge of professionalism. Just because you say "unprofessional" doesn't raise you above what you did.

What we got is facts and rough language for the people who insult us. Guilty. However as anybody who comes regularly (or just here and there) to our poker camps will tell you, we're a bunch of nice and friendly guys. Same for guys who join the coachings. Why do you think they give interviews for the site, why do they come to our poker camps?

We have a player who didn't play for 1,5 years. Health problems. He is slowly coming back now, his problems hopefulyl behind him. Never any issue with BPC due to this. We waited, he kept access to everything. Why? Respectful communication. Not "let's go lie on the forums to get "revenge".

What you came with is name-calling, and a few choir members who chip in with a random emotinally-driven insult, without knowing 5% of the facts. Internet forums in 2018.

I'll repeat again, it's a lesson you could learn. Or insist on "feeling" wronged, not by facts but by rough language you received after lying about BPC.

Jernej just completed his 60k contract in October, a couple of weeks ago.

Drago just completer his 60k contract in October, a couple of weeks ago, and joined our HU coaching team.

Alessio just completed his 60k contract in November, a few days ago, and will be joining our 6-max coaching team in 1-2 weeks.

Current rankings leader in November is on €7164 today. That's €14-€15k per month tempo.



Etc, etc.

So what you say is simply false - either out of ignorance (you simply didn't know and were not aware of these guys, for example) - or in that internet-anonimity-forum-kind-of-way, where people like to leave out facts and spin a story that conforms to their emotions in the moment.

Does everybody make it in CFP? No.

Does it have to do something with a certain student dissapearing for weeks/months like for example Prizzy, and similar things? Yes.

Is what we teach perfect? No.

Are you guaranteed 100% that you will make it? No, there is only 1 thing guaranteed in life.

Do people make it in our program? All the time, since 2011.

It's easy top say "nobody makes any money" because it gives you a way out.

The question on "tell us exactly what % of those who joined also finished" has been answered a million times.

a) we cannot provide this information without providing proprietary business information and revealing private information of our clients/students.

Why? Here's why.

I can say X% made it all the way to the end of the contract. What is your next reaction? "Oh that's great"? Nope. "Show us bank accounts, transactions, poker room accounts, student transactions, etc". "prove" it. Won't happen. We post results/interviews of students who are fine with it, but we won't just reveal everybody's personal finances to the world just because a forum poster "demands" to know.

b) as other people pointed out, it doesn't matter what % of people completed the entire contract, without knowing what the rest were doing. What % of people succeed with any given diet? Why do the others fail? Is the diet wrong? Or did they sneak in pizza? Losing weight is simple. Eat less and/or better, and excercise more.

Poker is simple too, untill you make it to the highstakes. Play simple strategies and show up every day for sessions. Dissapearing = sneaking in pizza. And then saying the diet doesn't work. It works for many, and it works for those who stick to it.

Finally, ask yourself what % of Run it once or Upswing poker members, who watch their videos, made 60k playing poker after watching their videos, or even 5k which is our micro contract.

0,1% maybe? Less? Does that mean their video content is bad? I don't think so.

Everybody is within rights to point out things that need improving. We welcome every constructive and honest feedback. But emotional attacks charged with lies is not received well. Too many people do too much good work at BPC every day, students and coaches alike. If you keep poking the bear, don't complain when you eventually get scratched back.

This is not granny's bridge game, ok guys relax, some hint of locker-room talk won't kill you, you don't need to cry "unprofessional" at the first sight of "fkc" or "****".

Also, as we already said, any other former CFP student who lost his deposit - either because he broke the agreement, or quit, or life got in the way, whatever other reason - can use that to join our monthy subscription launching in the next 1-2 weeks:

Daily coaching sessions, covering different formats, 26 courses, and strategy libraries for different formats.

So what did you get for your deposit? A few months inside CFP, access to bootcamps, coaching libraries, coaching sessions? Now you can use it to claim a minimum of 5 weeks more of free access to everything? For a grand total of what, 250-375 dollars if you joined with a discount? Speak to the coach every day if you want and watch hundreds if not thousands of hours of strategy?

Finally, there is absolutelly no time-limit on CFP. You can be in training for as long as it takes you, even making 0 money and paying 0 share. For years if that's what it takes and you are part-time grinder. Join daily sessions (or several per week, depending on your program), talk with coaches playing smallstakes, midstakes, highstakes, up to NL5k, watch all the courses / archives, forever. That's what your deposit got you. All you have to do, is use it. Of course if you dissappear for months and ignore all communication, eventually you're kicked out.

Feeding on your deposit, are you for real? A little perspective on things would be nice.

So much about "the same 3 guys".

Also keep in mind that while those results sound impressive to 99,9% of people - they are NOT impressive for us. Those are STUDENTS who are usually losing players or small winners (otherwise they wouldn't join).

CONSISTENTLY turning them into winners. But the numbers you see are the BOTTOM of the iceberg. The real money they - unfortunately lol - make after they have finished school.


A student named "somebody" once said that instead of congratulating him on his first 10k month, our founder said something like "that's baby money, you can do better". Today a 10k month is an absolute failure to him.

The REAL fun starts - unfortunately not for us - when the student has finished the life-poker-school called BPC.

In our finishers meeting last week/BPC Elite another finisher just made his first 30k month. This is normal. We wont even take credit for it. We help him in poker school, he is an "poker adult now" for a lack of a better word. Keeps 100% of profits.

Normal story of people who put in work, show up, don't threaten "revenge".

Gogogogoggogogogo haters. More lies please, what is next? Cmon, be creative!

Gordon is a tough person. I am sure you know that. YOu better follow his rules. This is not phil galfond friendly kind of a guy. He pushes his students hard because thats honestly what it takes to be a poker player. Part of his training is to give his students and tougher mentality. You can't make excuses because people like that never succeed in poker. I am glad he took your deposit to show how serious he is about his rules. And now you know what he says goes. Hes probably is the most hardcore kind of coach. Its like joining the military. But if you do what he says you will be a better player and a better person. You will stop making excuses and learn to be a grinder through good and bad times. You got legal issues its fine but let him know. I don't know why everyone sticking up for this guy making excuses. If gordon feels sorry for him and gives him the money back this guys gonna keep doing this. Be a man about it you didn't follow the rules.

If you want to continue to doing his program then stop making excuses and do it right or join a site where they are nicer like rio. Its up to you how you want to be coached. I prefer people that will give a little push. I dont know how these programs work but I do know gordon is good at motivating his cry baby students to stay on track with your goals. And newbies need to be pushed to stay on track cause poker is tough to grind until you have years of experience at it. Look at my avatar thats kind of mind set you need to make it in poker. You gotta look at it as a war or take up go fish.

Rio is nice enough to offer you a free 2 months and now you can compare the 2 and see what path you want to go on with your journey. Both sites will definitely improve your game. But you sound kind of wimpy i think you need a coach like Gordon.

Gordon let it go bro. Its one student. You guys arguing going back and forth doesn't solve anything.