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04-27-2021 , 02:33 PM
Is ratholing allowed on blitz
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04-27-2021 , 03:22 PM
haven't played in a few months.. whose brilliant idea was it to make the edges of the tables BRIGHT GOLD ??? Is there a way to change this besides the few table themes (space, jungle, whatever) or paying for 3rd party table mods?
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04-27-2021 , 03:45 PM
https://imgur.com/a/U4hkv2A

https://imgur.com/a/Wegg1tD

I tried to post these images so they just show up without having to click the link. Anyone want to tell me how to do that?


Notice yesterday I raked ~$141. 141x.27 = $38. This is the amount I should have in my rakeback account and what I actually have is $21.
According to my records, from January until today, I should have been paid out $540 in rake and I have since been paid ~$495.

This isn't the first time this has happened where my rakeback has been less than it should be. In fact, about a year ago I had to contact support to show them records of what I'd actually raked and compared it with what they'd paid me out in rakeback. The difference was several hundred dollars and happened on several different occasions. They did finally pay me out what I was owed but I would have never gotten it without proper records and some due diligence.


I highly recommend you guys keep records of what you've raked/what you've been paid out. If you're able, keep the amount of rakeback unreleased so that you can get an exact number so you don't have to go back and check financial history for what you've been paid out each time you released your rakeback.

Is this on purpose? How many thousands of dollars are they keeping rakeback? Some kind of unintentional error in favor of the site? Concerning.

I plan to go through the headache of reporting all of this to support and getting the issue resolved and will let you guys know.
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04-27-2021 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
A good amount of 200z bots have been banned recently and the reg tables seem quite good. Not even sure how a bot would manage a session in the new interface
Literally zero bots have been banned recently.
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04-27-2021 , 06:16 PM
^right, This list https://winningpokernetwork.com/banned-accounts/ is more of a needle than anything. We're supposed to be happy with banning a few bots every year? Lol Still waiting on those updated refund lists from September 26, 2019. Any day now i'm sure.. Fortunately for these few bots that are banned WPN has half a dozen skins to freely move to with the purchase of a cheap identity.
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04-27-2021 , 06:23 PM
You need to use rake contributed instead of rake attributed. First is what you contributed proportionally to the pot (which is what ACR uses) and second calculates the rake from pots that you won. Also, if you've had a bonus, some of it gets deducted from rakeback.

Last edited by ment52; 04-27-2021 at 06:23 PM. Reason: @srmjr23
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04-27-2021 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HundredsOfStuff
Literally zero bots have been banned recently.
I'm not 100% sure if there are banned but there are many suspicious accounts who no longer play. Many of the russian accounts with small OOP 3 bets and cold calls
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04-27-2021 , 08:17 PM
"Many of the russian accounts with small OOP 3 bets and cold calls"

I have only been playing ACR for a week but what is the deal with these specific guys? Are they any good? Are they worth complaining about?
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04-27-2021 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
The mass multi tablers such as mokraya, nikity, aironvega are not bots for sure, I've talked to em.
can you elaborate on this? where did you talk to them? airon obv not and idk about mok, but i was nearly positive nikit was a bot. he:
  • got in like 25-50% more volume every single week than any other reg
  • somehow managed to play heads up for extended periods of time, even at peak hours
  • played a fairly complex strategy with very few simplifications to the gametree (other than betsizing)
  • his disappearance coincided literally 1-to-1 with the software update. the last hand i have on him is 3/16, the software was updated 3/17.

that seems insanely damning to me, particularly the last point. it could also be that there are pseudo-bots out there, where the majority of preflop play gets automated and the user takes over for postflop. it would be significantly easier to code than a full-scale bot, so perhaps it's even likely this is a thing that's happening.
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04-27-2021 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by srmjr23
https://imgur.com/a/U4hkv2A

https://imgur.com/a/Wegg1tD

I tried to post these images so they just show up without having to click the link. Anyone want to tell me how to do that?


Notice yesterday I raked ~$141. 141x.27 = $38. This is the amount I should have in my rakeback account and what I actually have is $21.
According to my records, from January until today, I should have been paid out $540 in rake and I have since been paid ~$495.

This isn't the first time this has happened where my rakeback has been less than it should be. In fact, about a year ago I had to contact support to show them records of what I'd actually raked and compared it with what they'd paid me out in rakeback. The difference was several hundred dollars and happened on several different occasions. They did finally pay me out what I was owed but I would have never gotten it without proper records and some due diligence.


I highly recommend you guys keep records of what you've raked/what you've been paid out. If you're able, keep the amount of rakeback unreleased so that you can get an exact number so you don't have to go back and check financial history for what you've been paid out each time you released your rakeback.

Is this on purpose? How many thousands of dollars are they keeping rakeback? Some kind of unintentional error in favor of the site? Concerning.

I plan to go through the headache of reporting all of this to support and getting the issue resolved and will let you guys know.
Been noticing this for a while now. It’s theft no matter how you look at it. They are aware of the issue because I’ve emailed them several times to get mine fixed. Just because it may not be on purpose doesn’t mean it’s ok. There is no telling how much money they are getting to keep from players that don’t keep track. Not only is the rakeback sometimes incorrect but the points system frequently failed before I switched to rakeback. If you refuse, don’t care, or just don’t have the ability to fix an issue that costs your customers money then it’s theft
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04-28-2021 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by srmjr23
https://imgur.com/a/U4hkv2A

https://imgur.com/a/Wegg1tD

I tried to post these images so they just show up without having to click the link. Anyone want to tell me how to do that?


Notice yesterday I raked ~$141. 141x.27 = $38. This is the amount I should have in my rakeback account and what I actually have is $21.
According to my records, from January until today, I should have been paid out $540 in rake and I have since been paid ~$495.

This isn't the first time this has happened where my rakeback has been less than it should be. In fact, about a year ago I had to contact support to show them records of what I'd actually raked and compared it with what they'd paid me out in rakeback. The difference was several hundred dollars and happened on several different occasions. They did finally pay me out what I was owed but I would have never gotten it without proper records and some due diligence.


I highly recommend you guys keep records of what you've raked/what you've been paid out. If you're able, keep the amount of rakeback unreleased so that you can get an exact number so you don't have to go back and check financial history for what you've been paid out each time you released your rakeback.

Is this on purpose? How many thousands of dollars are they keeping rakeback? Some kind of unintentional error in favor of the site? Concerning.

I plan to go through the headache of reporting all of this to support and getting the issue resolved and will let you guys know.
Something that could be happening here is that 27% rakeback isn't actually 27% with cashgames. It's more like 22-23 when you account for the beast drop which you do not get rakeback for
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04-28-2021 , 10:14 AM
anyone have an issue with the update? seems as if it says error 5 access denied unable to create handhistory folder or something along them lines.

anyone else? can i just download from the website?
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04-28-2021 , 10:18 AM
so downloading the new update does the same error acces 5 denied cannot create handhistory. anyone know what to do?
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04-28-2021 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
anyone have an issue with the update? seems as if it says error 5 access denied unable to create handhistory folder or something along them lines.

anyone else? can i just download from the website?
If you left your HUD/POKER TRACKER open when it updates, this will happen
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04-28-2021 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
If you left your HUD/POKER TRACKER open when it updates, this will happen
I had DriveHud open and the update went fine.
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04-28-2021 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cametopunt
"Many of the russian accounts with small OOP 3 bets and cold calls"

I have only been playing ACR for a week but what is the deal with these specific guys? Are they any good? Are they worth complaining about?
You can complain about them if you want, but I print a huge chunk of my BB/100 from them, they're awful and all have the exact same leak. (which makes me doubt they're human)
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04-28-2021 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LoadingitUP
You can complain about them if you want, but I print a huge chunk of my BB/100 from them, they're awful and all have the exact same leak. (which makes me doubt they're human)
The flaw in your thinking is that bot accounts that currently have leaks will continue to have those leaks going forward. A few tweaks to the lines of code and then maybe those same bots will be unbeatable and make your life and the stakes you play unbeatable. Then you'll be in here whining about the same bots you were indifferent to months ago. The evolution of backgammon and chess bots has been to get better and better over time to where humans can't win in the long run. If you think that some poker bot is "awful" and is going to continue staying awful, then you are wish casting.

Humans should be playing against humans. And anyone indifferent to the problem is actually part of the problem.

Last edited by ladybruin; 04-28-2021 at 04:09 PM.
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04-28-2021 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by glogga
I had DriveHud open and the update went fine.
Happened to me first hand with pt so I guess it isn't universal. Would be the first place i would check if I was the OP.
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04-28-2021 , 04:21 PM
The lobby is broken on BCP. The tournament levels it displays is wrong. I even closed and restarted client. It worked until the next blind level went up
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04-28-2021 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by flimpy
can you elaborate on this? where did you talk to them? airon obv not and idk about mok, but i was nearly positive nikit was a bot. he:
  • got in like 25-50% more volume every single week than any other reg
  • somehow managed to play heads up for extended periods of time, even at peak hours
  • played a fairly complex strategy with very few simplifications to the gametree (other than betsizing)
  • his disappearance coincided literally 1-to-1 with the software update. the last hand i have on him is 3/16, the software was updated 3/17.

that seems insanely damning to me, particularly the last point. it could also be that there are pseudo-bots out there, where the majority of preflop play gets automated and the user takes over for postflop. it would be significantly easier to code than a full-scale bot, so perhaps it's even likely this is a thing that's happening.
Hello Flimpy - we've battled at the tables I believe. I"m GrizzVet on ACR
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04-28-2021 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by flimpy
can you elaborate on this? where did you talk to them? airon obv not and idk about mok, but i was nearly positive nikit was a bot. he:
  • got in like 25-50% more volume every single week than any other reg
  • somehow managed to play heads up for extended periods of time, even at peak hours
  • played a fairly complex strategy with very few simplifications to the gametree (other than betsizing)
  • his disappearance coincided literally 1-to-1 with the software update. the last hand i have on him is 3/16, the software was updated 3/17.

that seems insanely damning to me, particularly the last point. it could also be that there are pseudo-bots out there, where the majority of preflop play gets automated and the user takes over for postflop. it would be significantly easier to code than a full-scale bot, so perhaps it's even likely this is a thing that's happening.
The main reason is that I've talked to them on discord and they have gone over hands with me so I really doubt they are using bots.

That being said, bots are not unique at the low/midstakes. All the bot rings were using similar to the same profiles and operating many accounts at the same time. There are no solo guys with one account and one bot.
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04-28-2021 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
The main reason is that I've talked to them on discord and they have gone over hands with me so I really doubt they are using bots.

That being said, bots are not unique at the low/midstakes. All the bot rings were using similar to the same profiles and operating many accounts at the same time. There are no solo guys with one account and one bot.
I've seen Psina do enough ridiculous things on a regular basis to know that they're not a bot. That's just him in particular. They play mostly well but get way out of line in a way that a bot never would if they're trying to make money.

edit: I'm curious about this discord if there are other 100nl regs if you want to share.
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04-29-2021 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
The main reason is that I've talked to them on discord and they have gone over hands with me so I really doubt they are using bots.
Just because they go over hands doesn't mean they aren't using bots. Bot users need to optimize bot strategy scripting and discussing strategies with players can help them do that.
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04-29-2021 , 01:41 AM
interesting. well, that's definitely a mark in the human column, but i'm still pretty suspicious...

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Originally Posted by srmjr23
Hello Flimpy - we've battled at the tables I believe. I"m GrizzVet on ACR
hey, man nice to meet you.
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05-01-2021 , 12:34 AM
I was wondering if hitting $250 in the beast is feasible playing 10NL. Since it took me 42000 hands to get 5100 points ($125 prize) last week, I thought maybe 70000 hands ought to be enough to get $250. And what a grind this week! Finished with 8100 points through 68000 hands playing 10NL!

It felt epic The grind took 10 hrs+ per day for 7 days to hit 68000 hands. I doubt I'd be able to do this every week. But it's good to know that it's possible.
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