I have played some blitz 200 in ACR and I suspect there are some bots.

I'm gathering players so we can do a good investigation and mass report players we detect as bots.

I've spotted bots in the past and gotten refunds for myself and several affected players, so you might be interested.

I think we need to do this kind of thing if we want online poker to remain a safe place to play, as many rooms don't take enough measures.

If you are interested add me to:

Skype: adriangudersen@gmail.com

Discord: adriangudersen #0874

There are 30 bot accounts in my list. I reported them and nothing happened. They are definitely colluding in certain spots.

At this point after reading the NVG bot company thread I don´t think anything is gonna change. They are still exploitable though.

I'm playing 2-4k hands per day on ACR 200 blitz. I'm rarely seeing multiway pots.


What kinds of collusion are you seeing?

When there´s 2 or 3 bots at the table they do sometimes weird stuff preflop. One line they do pretty often is bot 1 opens, bot 2 calls then you squeeze, bot 1 calls and bot 2 4bets massive and they often have air in this spot.

How many times can you find this in your database?


I'll have to crawl through mine, but off the top of my head I don't recall a ton of massive 4 bets. Its usually 2.5 IP and 3x OOP across the board.



I have seen this line several times where the one being squeezed shoves, but every time I've seen the hands shown its AA or AK.



Also, I see this a ton in live play. Someone flats an open with a hand like AK, AQ, 88, etc. Then there's a squeeze and a call. And they decided to ship it after that. Very common at sub 5/10 games.


So, this might be why its not setting off alarms when I see it online. I'll start making notes and see if I can find any patterns.

I have seen this before as well, my theory is they are colluding in such a way that it makes GTO or close to GTO ranges/frequencies incorrect to use against them in some of these spots, because you're now up against 2 ranges instead of one, plus the fold equity they have. Not to mention they are very likely sharing hole cards, which gives them an even bigger advantage since their information is that much closer to perfect.

I'm currently playing 1500-2000 hands per day in this pool.


There is very little to no suspicious activity. At least not enough to be beating on ACR's door at the moment.


I have all the players mentioned in other threads marked labeled. And I'm not seeing them doing anything different or more weird than any other player.

There are solves for multiple.


For example,

UTG raise 2.5
BTN call 2.5
SB squeeze 14bb
UTG folds
BTN raises to 100bb

You call with JJ+ AKs/o, and KQs and fold everything else. And that's at equilibrium. Cut out KQ and JJ and go with QQ 50% or something.


The multiway solves like that are going to basically all go the same way. Call with top premium and fold the rest.


They can pull that stunt all they want if they are in fact doing it. You're gonna show up with QQ+ and AK




The only way it would be profitable for them in the long run is if they constantly did it. Which I can assure you, if they were, we wouldn't be say "I've seen XYZ before."


It would be "here's my DB with 50k hands and here's 25 times these same people pulled the squeeze move."

I saw it many times, I don’t play on WPN at the moment since I have better options now. One of the times it happened, literally posted the hand on 2p2 where the bots did what was described.

The standard “GTO” strategy for squeezing goes out the window when hole card sharing and collusion comes into play. People who don’t realize whats happening keep trying to squeeze them with stuff like suited broadways, offsuit big aces etc… if you go wider than very premiums and maybe just a very few bluffs, you will end up in a bad spot quite often. They can 4bet you into oblivion and if you stack off they have the odds to call anyway with their combined range (might even be a very profitable call if you haven’t adjusted to their scam). AK might be profitable to squeeze, but I would say you probably don’t want to go all in with AK or AKs in these spots, only premium pairs (based on some very basic looking in to it) KK+ and maybe QQ-JJ, potentially some other pairs, depending what the bots exact strategy turns out to be.

Edit to include said post: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...3&postcount=31

HI, can you write me how do you exploit them? You can write me on discord tennajkrajsi#5839 or 123vos123@gmail.com

Especially now, when they changed their playstyle and they have random overbets/donks


"When there´s 2 or 3 bots at the table they do sometimes weird stuff preflop"

Yes i think it is because they sharing cards. Playing with them MW pots are real pain....

Can you provide names of some bots you know? How do you suppose that? Just for the Rakeback race points they reach?