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10-13-2019 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ak97b
Has anybody else experienced missing funds from frozen tables that are not returned by ACR? Also even on a good day with no connection issues, I also experience some discrepancy in funds credited vs. my pokertracker db records.
I thought I was going crazy, happened to me three times last 72 hours, ACR told me they would refund me, I then received an email I was mistaken and money wasn't missing. Wtf? Couple hundreds
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10-13-2019 , 09:51 PM
beast winners last week had 45k to 52k points for the top 2500 prize

previous 4 or 5 weeks has been 25kish to 30k
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10-13-2019 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CodyBLAHHH
As someone who talks about botting so much I am surprised that you don't recognize an attempt to thwart screen scraping lol.
I am completely ignorant of what you are talking about, perhaps you are serious in that it really helps prevent bots. But that is literally the only thing that could be said positive about it, and it's hardly even a great trade off with how damned annoying it is to try to see the chip amount.
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10-14-2019 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodOlKevin
What in the world has ACR done with the breast cancer awareness month 2K MTT? It's a literal waste of time now. Having 12 levels of late reg but 18 hours of rebuying means we're rebuying with 2 bigs at level 18. Tournament is now unnecessarily long for the sake of a few bucks.
noticed the same thing today, thought to myself "yeah someone didn't think that through"
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10-14-2019 , 01:40 AM
Hi regarding the talk of 'fuzzy' graphics on the Pot size and bet amount numbers

This is how everyone sees it now?

Would love to hear from someone if they don't have this fuzz-- Just trying to determine if I have some type of hardware incompatibility


Last edited by coolscreenname1231; 10-14-2019 at 01:46 AM.
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10-14-2019 , 04:21 AM
mine looks the same


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Originally Posted by coolscreenname1231
Hi regarding the talk of 'fuzzy' graphics on the Pot size and bet amount numbers

This is how everyone sees it now?

Would love to hear from someone if they don't have this fuzz-- Just trying to determine if I have some type of hardware incompatibility

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10-14-2019 , 04:43 AM
Funny that after graphics of the pot and bets was changed, some very high volume regs at blitz decided to take a little "vacation". And we have 50 people instead of 100 in blitz pools
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10-14-2019 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by CodyBLAHHH
As someone who talks about botting so much I am surprised that you don't recognize an attempt to thwart screen scraping lol.
There is no need for "anti-screen scraping" when simple statistical analysis will suffice. People like lolzgod have repeated the canard that there the bots have not been able to update to the new WPN software. The types of bots that have not been able to work on the new software are not the ones that ever were a problem. It may very well be the case that WPN really wants to eliminate these types of bots that compete with the hyper aggressive NL/PLO bots with Eastern Bloc locations that there is numerous threads and hundreds of posts about. I believe it is likely there is an arrangement with WPN and the bot operators to allow them free reign on the network and it would make sense if they strived to ban the competition. That being said not a single account has been banned in over 5 months at any format. The night they introduced the fuzzy graphics there was multiple 6max PLO tables with 4 bots on them so it was not an effective measure. Pokerstars got rid of this PLO bot back in 2016 without making the bet and pot size fonts unreadable, so why can't WPN do that?

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Originally Posted by niosocket
Funny that after graphics of the pot and bets was changed, some very high volume regs at blitz decided to take a little "vacation". And we have 50 people instead of 100 in blitz pools
The few times blitz plo50 ran there were no bots present. Maybe one of the NL regs like veggies can chime in on the NL blitz because AFAIK there is no evidence for any bots at NL blitz either.
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10-14-2019 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
There is no need for "anti-screen scraping" when simple statistical analysis will suffice.
How many hands per bot you reckon is sufficient to get a simple statistical analysis? 50K hands?? If your solution is to wait for them to play thousands of hands against us to get statistical evidence... i rather them putting dots in the bet background. lol
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10-14-2019 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by locopollo
How many hands per bot you reckon is sufficient to get a simple statistical analysis? 50K hands?? If your solution is to wait for them to play thousands of hands against us to get statistical evidence... i rather them putting dots in the bet background. lol
1k hands. The dots are not effective as I already explained. Many tables had 3-4 bots after the dot update came out. The captchas also were not effective but people applauded the pathetic "effort" by "security".

The bots are still playing currently at PLO. Dots are not doing a thing.

Last edited by HandOfGod666; 10-14-2019 at 11:55 AM.
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10-14-2019 , 11:58 AM
Current 2k Breast Cancer Awareness Tourney, ($1,493 overlay) 3 hours 56 minutes in, 15 big blind average stack, and not even in the money yet. Jesus
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10-14-2019 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
1k hands. The dots are not effective as I already explained. Many tables had 3-4 bots after the dot update came out. The captchas also were not effective but people applauded the pathetic "effort" by "security".

The bots are still playing currently at PLO. Dots are not doing a thing.
If by "Bots" you mean "Russians" you might need to reconsider your bot definition criteria (Every Russian at any table is a bot, according to yourself).

WarBot already posted that they pulled off acr because of the background. What else you want?
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10-14-2019 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pietro3000
If by "Bots" you mean "Russians" you might need to reconsider your bot definition criteria (Every Russian at any table is a bot, according to yourself).



WarBot already posted that they pulled off acr because of the background. What else you want?[WPN] Americas Cardroom, BCP, TruePoker Ex-Official Discussion Thread:
Lol, really? That is a helluva great first post only surpassed by your grasp of botting.
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10-14-2019 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Pietro3000
If by "Bots" you mean "Russians" you might need to reconsider your bot definition criteria (Every Russian at any table is a bot, according to yourself).
Lies.

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Originally Posted by Pietro3000

*** already posted that they pulled off acr because of the background. What else you want?
The bot you mentioned stopped support for WPN a long time ago it wasn't because of the dots. I am pretty sure this bot was never even profitable. When I talk of bots I am talking about serious highly aggro bots that play a very unique strategy that is not played by any human regulars. Myself and others have presented stats of these accounts in many threads and posts.
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10-14-2019 , 01:09 PM
Yeah, you can see here that the guy who is behind an operation not willing to do anymore changes to support the bot

***Mod Edit: Removed link to botting site and replaced with text of posts in question.

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Originally Posted by Alex
Re: Americas Cardroom revival
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:14 am

I am afraid we have another update from WPN (ACR), which brings new fonts again, even more ugly than before. Now they just can't be scraped well for sure, so i am removing them from supported rooms until better times, sorry guys..
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Originally Posted by ruslan
Re: Americas Cardroom revival
Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:12 pm

This is very similar to fighting bots on their part ...
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Originally Posted by Alex
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:15 pm

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Originally Posted by ruslan
This is very similar to fighting bots on their part ...
yes, i think they clearly show that they are against bots, and are willing to update their soft again and again. So probably it's better to find other alternatives

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 10-14-2019 at 05:38 PM. Reason: Removed botting link.
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10-14-2019 , 01:12 PM
And this is supposed to prove what? The bots that are stealing millions from players every year on WPN are not going anywhere because of a captcha or making the fonts unreadable. Toughie is playing right now at PLO100. This is the most blatantly obvious bot in the world.
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10-14-2019 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
And this is supposed to prove what? The bots that are stealing millions from players every year on WPN are not going anywhere because of a captcha or making the fonts unreadable. Toughie is playing right now at PLO100. This is the most blatantly obvious bot in the world.
I am not saying it proves anything. I don't play PLO so it's hard for me to say anything about bots there.
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10-14-2019 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
And this is supposed to prove what? The bots that are stealing millions from players every year on WPN are not going anywhere because of a captcha or making the fonts unreadable. Toughie is playing right now at PLO100. This is the most blatantly obvious bot in the world.
Let me guess... "TOUGHIE" is Russian, isn't? post his stats then, what made him such an evident bot then? I mean show that you can prove beyond xenophobic grounds that such player is a bot.
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10-14-2019 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pietro3000
Let me guess... "TOUGHIE" is Russian, isn't? post his stats then, what made him such an evident bot then? I mean show that you can prove beyond xenophobic grounds that such player is a bot.
This is going to be good.
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10-14-2019 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pietro3000
Let me guess... "TOUGHIE" is Russian, isn't? post his stats then, what made him such an evident bot then? I mean show that you can prove beyond xenophobic grounds that such player is a bot.
The bot Toughie plays the same stats as these accounts:

Crazyhooch
Hhodor
beaverr
kobretti
familier
Lexum
SnowJohn
feralturnskin
Hyperion115
PortgasAceAce
I_hold_it
k4m4z
ropedancer
gladiaTHOR1
flakeoutZzz
Tojagar
SafeBYRYNDY
fata1hand
zoltanPK
maniac115
Gefest
NYMph49
phanatik
interpidtracer
Alkea101
iBetUfoldt
Evilskill
wrestlertruth
evergreenwin
Slackbreaker
Lincolion
pknsha
pushkan
oddi
Zergwentape
NimbleBeck
Wishko
PotBeMy
dikobrazzers
Illcallback
Jiraffe
TheUnlimiteD
stoicwise
aceeater
Ludoman
glowworm
bardos11
NoDose
kr0na
FeelGod
hophey68
scabbydog
needurnrj
Superfisher
redAppl
lazycroc
technokrat
MrLarson
Blimey
Ca11MeBaby
gloomypapa
Quakeeeeeee
homyakubiytsa
deadmanshand76
rightdecision
pennyHill
Insector
Smart1One
Shtilter
cashbang
imPekabu
baikal77
kigdin
Loktar
DaggerGT
klarSSon
KyleBroflovski
dancingQQ
Besmily
temerarious5
teslaM77
BurningManKK
wolf_DDDDOG
carrdSharrk
groundsquirrel
Gelllemar
ObeTwice
wildpokem0n
Trickset
Jokers_Grin
RibaFishKKa
dashforward
DaRkDailo
TinnySun
StubblyPan
betH0ven
dilemmafixer
zvezZzda

Here are the stats they play:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...h4E/edit#gid=0

Not all of these accounts have a Russia location. The location was never part of my logic for accusing the accounts. One of these accounts has a Thailand location, all of the others are former Eastern Bloc locations.

"Toughie" and the other 100 accounts above are the same bot that was banned from pokerstars in 2016 after research was done and collected in this thread. The stats are the same.
Interestingly enough none of the pokerstars bot accounts had a USA location either! Must have been a bad case of xenophobia.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-them-1537778/

I hope your account is banned because I am sick of WPN sockpuppet BS posts on here accusing me of saying stuff that I never did. I never once said all Russian accounts are bots or an account was a bot because it was from Russia because only a subhuman would say such things.

Over the past year only one person has ever said things like you are posting now. The tournament director of WPN.

Last edited by HandOfGod666; 10-14-2019 at 01:55 PM.
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10-14-2019 , 02:12 PM
I think WPN will be dead by 2020. Good luck everyone!
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10-14-2019 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666
The bot Toughie plays the same stats as these accounts.
No stats of Toughie are listed in that Document

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Originally Posted by HandOfGod666

Over the past year only one person has ever said things like you are posting now. The tournament director of WPN.
I am not associated to ACR, if that is what you are suggesting.

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10-14-2019 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesYang
I think WPN will be dead by 2020. Good luck everyone!
As long as they have Beast and rakeback/loyalty, it won’t die. Too many degens out there chasing that $$$.
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10-14-2019 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesYang
I think WPN will be dead by 2020. Good luck everyone!
I would be happy to wager against you on that prognostication.
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10-14-2019 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pietro3000
No stats of Toughie are listed in that Document


I am not associated to ACR, if that is what you are suggesting.
They are the same as the accounts in the spreadsheet.

Maybe it is just a coincidence that you are using the same logic and arguments that I have only heard one person use in my life to defend the bots, WINNING_TD. He laughed at me and implied that I had no idea what I was talking about when I showed him evidence of the bots last November.

Just for clarification, there are many legitimate Russian/European players on WPN and I have never denied that.

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