when the new software comes out it will be mildly interesting to see all the bot accounts disappear for a few days until their software is also upgraded

I don't know who you think you're fooling, but to practically everyone else that has been participating in this thread recently, the reality of the bot infestation is plain as day. You know perfectly well your customers are being cheated, and that your security department is not protecting the integrity of your games.

I don't know who you think you're fooling, but to practically everyone else that has been participating in this thread recently

This is why i dont comment. No win situation.

I don't get why you carry on this charade like these are totally unsubstantiated accusations or something. The data is there and everyone has seen it, we'd just like you to at the very least acknowledge that there is an issue on your site, or perhaps these identical and outlandish stat generating accounts are something that your security department should be looking into. Some of the bot accounts have sample sizes on statname of multiple hundreds of thousands of hands. These are not insignificant sample sizes and for a great number of the stats I have looked into, are effectively impossible to occur at this scale by pure chance. Also there is non statistical evidence that damns these accounts beyond a shadow of a doubt. There is absolutely no way that a player that is winning 12bb/100 at plo10 would never play a higher stake after months and tens of thousands of hands at that stake. No professional players play the routinely scheduled sessions that some of these "players" are playing(although some of the bots play a totally random operating schedule, I have analyzed the calendars for various accounts to check this). Also it is quite uncommon for regulars to buy in for 100bb in 2019. Since shortstacking confers a considerable advantage if there are multiple deeper stacked players at the table, professionals commonly buy in for as little as possible. These bots almost exclusively play at the maximum buy in at the table (unless the account is busto or they just lost a hand prior sometimes are the two exceptions I have noticed). Also when 6max tables break, all of the regulars leave immediately. Bots don't break when everyone else does, because they are only programmed to leave at whatever time they were programmed to leave at. Typically the bot will be the just sitting there after all of the human players have left. There is a glitch that the bots have when a player straddles as well, they can either fold or min raise, they can never raise larger. The bots never play cap or no rathole tables either. Shame on you.

It is simple to see the difference between a post from Handofgod with fairly damning database info and a guy questioning why he "always GETS AA AND THEN LOSES TO 57o ITS CRAZY THIS SITE RIGGED." It is simple for someone with a great deal of experience in the online poker world to notice things are not quite right on ACR. If you play there, you would notice this quickly, and if you don't play there, you shouldn't be disputing people's claims anyway. This level of evidence and consistent complaining from the community does not bely a great conspiracy to incriminate an innocent player pool. The consistent defense is frustrating and is something the community in general gets further exhausted by. It is one thing to be the victim of a crime; it is far worse to not have it acknowledged. You don't have to acknowledge it, but when you pop up on the other side consistently, you have to eat the frowns that come your way as you have picked a side.

Winning_TD is an employee of the site. We have been asking an employee to do something they have consistently said is not in their power, and then furthermore we have been asking them to be on our side with the villification of their employer. It's a tough spot is my point, and as far as other requests, he gets things done and is responsive so although I would love a magic bot-catching tournament director, that may just not be something he's able to do at this time. I will only throw tomatos at a wall for so long before I accept it is not going to fall over. We need assistance on these matters but at least he is fixing problems within his grasp is my point.

I cited you and kahn because to my knowledge you're not employees and are veterans of the 2+2 community. You don't have to admit a bot problem exists or change anything about your posts, but also, you should understand why it is disappointing to not have such respected veterans on the side of the community and why it would be perceived that way.

I think we need to clarify that from what i see myself or Bobo have not once said they dont exist. Unfortunately its the modern technology world we live in and its an ongoing war and as far as im concerned they exist at every site. I dont come here outing other site names but its a much bigger publicly viewed problem on ACR because you can see who your playing against and where players are from.

I do keep saying though that we do look into it and we do take it seriously (incoming no you dont etc etc)

We really do and again with a new HTML5 software coming we will be capable of doing so many more things with a great new software dev company.

Is there an ETA on this new software update?

it's extremely hard to take the sites security seriously at all when they arent even banning the most obvious bots (gelllemar, kr0na, ObeTwice) that were already banned in the past. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...93/?highlight=
its not just a weird coincidence that they only play pl10 and take turns playing in 8 hour shifts each without any breaks

I have been told that we will be releasing BETA today to the public. It could be tomorrow but this is what i have been told

Is there a changelog posted anywhere with what changes/updates we can expect to see?

No there isnt. As i have said previously its going to look almost identical right now so recreational users will know how to navigate it straight away. We will obviously be accepting all constructive criticism and fixing things straight away so we can go live ASAP. As soon as we are ready i will be posting the link for you guys to download and test it. All new accounts will have $$$ in the account and you cant reload them. Its all play money of course but will show as real money.

Thanks Winning_TD!

If you don't think I differ in my responses to people like HandOfGod666 or MCAChiTown, and posters like you describe above, I'm not sure what to tell you other than you should probably have a better handle on someone's posting history before calling them out for it.

Which is probably why I don't.

I'm not sure where this narrative of yours about picking a side comes from. It seems that you've fallen into the "if you're not with us, you're against us!" trap. If you can find a single post of mine where I've told someone who obviously knows what they're talking about WRT to bots and cheating that they are incorrect, I'd be pretty surprised. Actually, I'm not even sure I've done that with any rigged conspiracists. What I will do a lot of the time is ask people to produce evidence, or if I see flaws in their logic, I'll point those out. Sometimes I'll suggest alternative possibilities, as I did with Joey and super users. Doing so isn't "picking sides". It would be pretty foolish of me to take a side when I haven't shared the experience of the poster in question. But poorly researched claims don't help anyone, and in fact I think they hurt the cause of those who have done their homework, so I'll never apologize for questioning them.

Agreed.

TBH, when I reread this, it pisses me off a bit.

How do you think it came about that the whole conversation with WPN started, that led to the email from Mason that they never responded to? FreshThyme started an ATF thread about the issue, which I then took to my WPN contacts. Subsequently, there were discussions between Mason, Mat, and I, and others, which ultimately led to the email and then the decision to end things - a decision I fully supported, and a decision that cost both 2+2 and I a substantial amount of money. I've never asked for, or thought I should receive, any praise for this, because it was simply the right thing to do, and there have been other times that I have made money from an advertiser that in the end didn't work out well for our members. But when you tell me I'm not "on the side of the community" WRT to a site where I was involved in and supported a decision that was what the community wanted and cost me personally, I find it a little aggravating.

Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself. I owe you an apology. This is that apology. Sorry.

I don't think that people are with us or against us, but that in this case the "against us" is the unknown that people are trying to decipher. I guessed wrong and devalued my own opinion as a result. Thank you for dealing with me in a professional manner.

I couldn't help but laugh, and its ****ing true. Play on ACR from 5-10AM, then sign on BCP, then finish the night on some other skin, and its perfectly legal by the rules.

Thanks. I appreciate that you appear to be here with good intentions, and not simply looking to blame others without being willing to discuss things.

Here we go. Only 5 years after i said it was coming :P Version2

https://v2beta.americascardroom.eu/i...CardroomV2.dmg

https://v2beta.americascardroom.eu/i...CardroomV2.exe

dmg is a mac download and exe is PC.

Remember these are purely for testing so please go in and give all feedback.
I will as always be checking here and documenting if this is where you wish to post.
exciting times

Cool, my anti-virus thinks it's malware.

I had a similar problem a month or two ago. Someone told me to turn my antivirus off and it worked. I turned my antivirus off, opened the site, played one hand, turned the antivirus back on and everything was fine.

It's common for updates to mess with antivirus programs. They mess with Holdem Manager as well--HM has to update their software to keep up with site updates.

Ya I think that's pretty common, I know my HEM got flagged and other poker sites got flagged too. Can't remember if WPN was ever flagged by my anti virus but it wouldn't surprise me.

Checked it out and all I can do is laugh. Looks exactly the same, but just ****tier on this one.


https://www.virustotal.com/#/url/9a6...b82e/detection

My anti virus went ape**** with the beta, so expect that. Windows did something about it too. Never seen that before.....

They are using the Jackpot tables for every table? Idk what is new about the software? Fonts?

Have you taken a look at the higher stakes bots with identical postflop tendencies and stats? There is over 30 active bots that I am aware of, and over 75 total past and present bots that I have identified so far. I know you did a bunch of research into the plo10 bots last year.

Just wanted to chime in on the bot conversation. At first I didnt believe it when this rigtard was just spewing nonsense in the chat, but after I took a closer look at the stats and Sharkscope Gatortish27 is definitely a bot in the micro On Demand tournaments. A simple google search will even show him posting on bot forums.

I reported this but he is still playing. I have a few other suspicious names as well.