One of the first threads in NVG. Lets everybody try to have a reasonable discussion with WPN about this, there are a lot of people who don't want a complete removal of HUcash to be the solution to this (if that was actually the reasoning). Sucks for non cheaters who just get the rug pulled out from under them.

For what it's worth, Trambo has probably played Kido more than anyone on the site and doesn't even think he's a bot. I've played him a bunch in limit o8 hu cash and done well vs. him. I don't know if he's a bot or not, but he is definitely using some kind of software to guide his decision making, at the very least.

The "for the foreseeable future" part gave me some hope, but I realise I'm grasping at straws.

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(Caveat: I have not verified that they are awarding the 0.3 points listed in the lobby.)

He recently gave the same line about the HU sng's over a certain price point, I asked him to explain why, and he went dark.

I've defended him over the years, but I can't justify it anymore. This is not the way to do PR.

Hi Winning TD,

I assume you are the rep for ACR in this thread. Myself and several highstakes players have been warning ACR for over a year now that this player is cheating/using in game assistance. We've sent you email giving explicit insight on our reasoning and never got a reasonable answer back. I even called some of your rep to explain why we knew he was a bot/using in game assistance. If you have any basic cheating detection tools, you would have found that out very quickly.

It is a consensus in the high stakes HU plo community that this player is cheating.

The only reasonable thing to do is seize the funds he has in his account as quickly as possible and reimburse players that have been cheated. We know he's won at least 500 000$. Your decision to remove HU tables is obviously up to the ACR team. I don't see any reason to do so if there are proper safeguards against cheating.

I second everything Lemay just said

Using assistance software is illegal here? So is he botting or using assistance software?

Hi DonWon,

We don't have access to that players computer, we can't see his screen. In my opinion he is using in game assistance, which to some extent is similar to botting. There is no doupt that he is cheating, I'd be willing to bet a lot of money on it.

Hi XXXXXXXXX,

Thanks for getting in touch with us.

To let you know, as per management decision, we’ve eliminate heads-up cash games and heads up hyper-turbo Sit & Go’s over $50 from the site. These games don’t fit into our business model so they were no longer be available in the network.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us.

Nathan C
AmericasCardroom Support

Yeh it’s posted on NVG. Pretty standard day at Wpn headquarters.

Phil Nagy continues to impress.

Using real time solution software is essentially BOTing.

Agreed

I've been playing HU on ACR/BCP since 2014. I'm very dissapointed to see the heads up lobby removed.

I really hope the decision wasn't influenced by the recent topic exposing kidopham (shortstack bot, big winner, sat the HU lobby uncontested by other regulars for over a year now). Removing an entire game format because of a single cheater would not only be incredibly unfair and disrespectful to the rest of the players on the site, but would also disincentivize people from exposing cheaters in the future and thus would create an even more unhealthy environment (and ACRs/BCPs reputation regarding bots is bad as it is). Bots will be even more of an issue in the future and if they can't handle an obvious one (and one that has been reported by a dozens high stakes regulars) this bolds terribly for the coming years and the players should be very concerned.

If the removal of the heads up tables is unrelated I'd still urge ACR/BCP to reconsider. The heads up ecosystem was hardly predatory compared to other formats, there has been a fair bit of battling between regulars on every stake level. This along with the king of the hill system made the site special - one of the few so welcoming to people who enjoy 1on1 poker. It would be an incredible shame to see that gone.

Anyway to do something like 8 HU tables at each stake, 2 Tables max per player?

And I'm not positive but I think they have been considering this for awhile now.

Hu win rates are among the highest. That means losers are losing to fast. I assume this is why they did it. So annoying

What is od?

On demand

While the decision to remove HU completely instead of investing a tiny bit of money in game security is ridiculous, I have to point out it's not a single cheater. I pretty much haven't seen one moment where the whole HU NLHE lobby wasn't under the control of the shortstacking botring in the past year.

I don't even think they have the volume to justify that. Stars were able to funnel hundreds of thousands of players into casino and sports, that doesn't make sense for WPN, they have like 12 tables of midstakes cash running. They were the reg friendly site and just pulled it. Format was healthy at midstakes.

Like every other site, the day they decided that you had to get the double or nothing pop up we were GG'd. They do one, more is coming, it has always been that way.

I believe he plays PLO, our lobby was pumping and I agree with everything he says.

It's not the same, one is actually legal over here. I'm sure someone using assistance software isn't always going to follow it 100% of the time.

Sorry, maybe we're misunderstanding eachother because english isn't my first language, I wasn't disagreeing with his comment at all except for the fact that there's definitely more than 1 single cheater at the heads up games and I'm just a holdem player so I know more about the state of those games and all the tables at midstakes are always taken by z00_, brutalisk and other shortstacking bots playing identically. I was simply trying to say it'd be more logical to spend some money on game security than abolishing the games altogether across plo, nlhe and sit and go's. I mean this thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e-bot-1727995/ and countless others in this subforum show bad things are at 6max games and tournaments too.

What had happened to online poker? When did sites decide they were ninlinger happy making tens of millions of doallrs and now they have to make billions. The thing u guys need to understand is everything is in our control. We as players can stop playing and demand the games we want or we just don't play anymore. They either listen or make zero.

I'm a losing player on ACR. I like playing the heads-up PLO games even though I know I'm worse than the regs. It's a fun game.
Too bad. Moving my action elsewhere.