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08-07-2018 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by netgod44
Kahn serious question since you seem to be enlightened

Do you think WPN could do more in terms of hiring an industry leader in protection
Yes. I'm sure there is more they could do to mitigate the effects of DDoS.

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Originally Posted by netgod44
I can not imagine they already do
Well, I know for fact they have implemented multiple DDoS mitigation strategies. They have been effective. You might be surprised how many attacks are rebuffed.

However, they are not 100% effective. Not even close really. They have failed to protect their servers fully from attack and it shows. These attacks are hurting their player numbers and their profits. These last couple days have been a perfect example of that.

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Does the cost of this down time IYO equal or greater to the cost of industry leaders in mitigation?
I do not think cost is the issue. They have a war chest. I believe there are other factors holding them back due to the nature of their business. That is pure speculation however so don't quote me on it as fact.

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Originally Posted by netgod44
Are you saying that since WPN offers such a vast range of countries that may have outdated easy to target serves/etc makes even an industry leader in mitigation near impossible to help WPN
Who is this industry leader in mitigation?

I made a statement and gave an example of how one similarly sized network is more easily able to defend itself due to accepting less countries.

I am in no way qualified to say whether the "industry leader" could solve their problems or not. I do not know the capabilities and prowess of this particular unicorn.


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Originally Posted by netgod44
Do you think mitigation services have the most the gain from DDos attacks to begin with and the conspiracy theory lies within the industry?
Are you trying to ask me if the people who provide mitigation services might be creating these attacks as a ploy to get business?

If so, my answer is no. That is hobbycock.

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That is if ya can take the nagy out for a minute
What?

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Originally Posted by netgod44
I get the scripted BS you post,
Actually you do not. I do not post any "scripted" anything. I post my opinions. I often have insight that others do not because of my position in this industry. I do not "shill" or post according to the desires of any particular company. No one pays me to post for them.

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Originally Posted by netgod44
I just think at this point WTF is going on I get the internet is a war zone it always has been and always adapts and then needs to readapt after that currently everywhere else I interact on the internet does not occur EVER actually and is unique to WPN and seems to be occurring so often that it makes myself and every other average user wondering WTF and why add that with being an older user and all the glitches and patches and blah blah blah with this site really doesn't all add up
If you don't like WPN's down time, their business model, their explanations (or excuses depending on how you look at it), then vote with your wallet. That's what I do as a consumer.


Cheers,

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Kahn
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08-07-2018 , 04:09 AM
What’s the over/under on this Sunday running with no problems? Lol. Was gonna stay home and not go up north but I’d hate to skip the trip and have it be like yesterday lol.
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08-07-2018 , 07:18 AM
Anyone else having problems logging in? Keeps saying there was an error please try again later.
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08-07-2018 , 08:16 AM
Yeh I'm getting this error.
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08-07-2018 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ProbablyDrawinDead
What’s the over/under on this Sunday running with no problems? Lol. Was gonna stay home and not go up north but I’d hate to skip the trip and have it be like yesterday lol.
It’ll be down again. Take the trip.
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08-07-2018 , 09:07 AM
Thank you kahn for taking the time

I have voted with my wallet for some time now and its has gotten so filled with money now that I am not being cheated from unfair game play that I may need to buy a bigger one
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08-07-2018 , 11:19 AM
I used the 24/7 chat and was able to get back in after giving my ip and service provider
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08-07-2018 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
Because running a DDoS attack on a large scale is not free. This is about economics. There is a budget and a target ransom (profit).

The most profitable and effective way to leverage the attacks are aiming them at companies who stand to lose out the most. In other words, attack a poker site when it runs a big series. Attack an eCommerce site when it advertises well in advance and runs a large sale.

Perfect example of this is where Amazon European employees staged their protest on Amazon Prime day. Why? Because it's more effective on big sales days via hurting the company more. https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-wor...ing-prime-day/



1) I've never seen anyone claim I'm Naggy.
2) I'm not Naggy.
3) Multiple 2+2'ers, in multiple countries, on multiple continents, have seen me and Naggy in the same room. At the same time no less. However, many of them were very, very intoxicated so perhaps they can't me up on that :P
4) I don't see what was "funny"

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Kahn
Since you are apparently an expert on DDOS attacks please enlighten us on the cost and equipment required to attack the heavily firewalled servers of WPN? And only doing these attacks for ransom? People attack servers for information, financial records, remote server proxying, etc.. if attackers believe WPN's server is housing access to crypto wallets then they absolutely would get attacked regularly.

But my real opinion is that DDOS attacks are just an easy misdirection excuse. I don't care either way because IMO WPN has revealed themselves as shady, incompetent, or not caring. Not a company I would do business with.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 08-07-2018 at 05:29 PM.
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08-07-2018 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cAArlsagan
You do know that a DDOS attack and data security breach are two totally different things, right?

Again, I really don't understand how people believe tanking this series with fake DDOS attacks would boost revenue for ACR. It literally makes zero sense from a financial, marketing, and operational perspective.
It is an interesting theory. But I’m willing to bet it’s just them having a junk site / incompetent workers.

If I knew how to DDOS , I’d attack ACR myself and demand some BTC lol.

If it is a DDOS , it is kinda funny. Because it’s been years they are able to do it and somehow ACR cannot stop them.
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08-07-2018 , 01:23 PM
HERE IT COMES!!!!!
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08-07-2018 , 01:25 PM
Im losing all my money....ALL my tables are being blinded out and i cant do anything, also i was folded in the middle of a hand. WTF is going on.
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08-07-2018 , 01:25 PM
Ok geniuses and kahn (you're an idiot, not genius)...why are they ddos'ing right now if it's "so expensive"? Why would they not wait until traffic/games pick up?

If it's so expensive why have they been doing it for years upon years without receiving any ransom (according to nagy)?
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08-07-2018 , 01:33 PM
I know if i was doing DDOS i'd wanna do it at the slowest time possible...that will really make a huge impact! No way WPN could ever have issues on it's own!
I quit for 6 months because of the last OSS, every time i'd get top 15 the servers would crash.
I came back to try it out, I think it's much worse than before and i don't really want to buy into OSS events.
Also seems they took out more SNG's that ran.

Last edited by Windpspro; 08-07-2018 at 01:46 PM.
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08-07-2018 , 01:50 PM
Lol...they are starting OnDemands while experiencing a DDOS attack?

Yea totally legit!!!!
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08-07-2018 , 02:14 PM
just let me log back in
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08-07-2018 , 02:29 PM
So it's down again it looks like....and a few mins ago they tweet the same exact bs vague crap.

I can't agree more with these tweets:


Jeremy Stark
‏ @JeremyStark1313
3s3 seconds ago
Replying to @ACR_POKER

So will the site be back up or do we just get another vague response from you? Sorry for inconvenience...what a joke. We want to know when site will be back up, not all this useless crap.




DL
‏ @DLOON3Y
Replying to @ACR_POKER

Seriously just stop. Take the site/SW down until you are prepared to invest in stability and security. How can this be your business model...keep running into the same issues and make no permanent corrective actions while you continue to piss off what few customers you have left.


So on point. Screw them for ONLY using twitter, a limited character outlet, to update us. It's literally the one outlet that almost forces them to be vague.

EMAIL US. YOU HAVE ALL OF OUR EMAILS. AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?
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08-07-2018 , 04:01 PM
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaggggg
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08-07-2018 , 04:02 PM
and here we go again...
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08-07-2018 , 04:16 PM
im stuck on configuring... been on vacation this week and I see that ACR is doing its standard "ddos attacks" during their series...
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08-07-2018 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cAArlsagan
You do know that a DDOS attack and data security breach are two totally different things, right?

Again, I really don't understand how people believe tanking this series with fake DDOS attacks would boost revenue for ACR. It literally makes zero sense from a financial, marketing, and operational perspective.
Ummm not exactly. DDOS attacks can be used to mask security breaches or significantly damage the firewall in place to then allow access. It is not always just to overload the server. This world is about information, so I would be very surprised if someone were just using DDOS attacks against WPN to be a nuisance.

I'm not even convinced WPN is being hit by DDOS attacks. It is just an easy excuse. And that type of attack sounds a lot better than saying hey we have been hacked and everyone's info is out again.. or I tripped on the outlet cord in my server room so um no games lol.

Anyway just go play on a site where the tournies run consistently and you don't have to worry about these things.

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08-07-2018 , 04:51 PM
I cant even get on today, is the site tottally down?
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08-07-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cAArlsagan
Is all of 2p2 filled with bad conspiracy theorists or is it just this thread?
What are you talking about?! People are upset because they really wanted WPN to be the new FullTilt and due to constant security problems, false promises, bad customer support, poor network safeguards, etc. It's not. Instead people have effectively thrown away their $$ and time... while WPN has been pulling profit

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08-07-2018 , 04:54 PM
Hey ACR, if you don't put money in a good security team you're going to have ot pay the ****ing ransom. so do that, just pay the ransom until you're smart enough to allocate resources to cyber security.
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08-07-2018 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cAArlsagan
Is all of 2p2 filled with bad conspiracy theorists or is it just this thread?
people are upset which i understand, however i do not subscribe to the conspiracies, unless shown proof.
I for one am grateful, that there are any poker sites running in the US after Black Friday, with there being no clear laws on poker's legality here in the States. What can one do?
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08-07-2018 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cAArlsagan
Is all of 2p2 filled with bad conspiracy theorists or is it just this thread?
Blows my mind how many moronic conspiracy posts are made.
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