What site are you seeing this never ending sea of fish? Cause it ain't ACR.

The site, as a whole, is reg infested. Now, obviously, these "regs" vary widely in skill levels, but the guys you're talking about, the "fish who don't even know what rake is," are few and far between. If I had to guess, I'd say the "regs" out number the true fish by likely 4 to 1 or more on this network.

Any argument that implies there is this massive, overwhelming pool of fish at BBJ tables is flawed.

Edit: Wasn't quoting you directly as a response, but just adding this to your conversation.

I have a question related to yours. I didn't even know that the add-on had been fixed (sort of) until a player in here said that it was. Could we please get updates in this thread of any fixes, changes, etc? If not, is that information listed somewhere?

I would love to know when the add-on is truly fixed, and everyone gets it as soon as they pay for it. The one rebuy/one add-on touraments are in effect good deepstack tournaments (1,500 chips buy-in, 1,500 for rebuy and 3,000 for add-on.) With a total cost as low as $9.30 ($3.30BI+$3RB+$3AO) for 6,000 chips, its the only micro tournament that is halfway deepstacked, and ACR really needs some tournaments that have some play in them at all levels. (Now if we could only get rid of that ridiculously fast MTT structure with blinds starting at level 4.)

I love those 1RB/1AO tournaments but I haven't played them for over a month. Not knowing when, or if, we're getting the add-on just isn't acceptable. In a blog post I said that it was like putting down money for a chess tournament and having one of your pawns randomly removed from the board.

Fix the add-on completely, and please, let us know when that happens.

I think ACR is mainly regulars splashed in with the 'donks' who think they know how to play. Let's face it. If you know that you can dump real money in ACR than you probably are a step ahead of the game in one way or another. Besides, there are only about an average of 4000 people on the site at any given moment. It's not like we are talking about PS or FT fish #'s.

The issue has not been completely fixed yet. Still happening in the small rebuy OSS Sats as of today.

FWIW, I see more and more people in these same sats reporting buttons missing completely when it comes time for a bet/fold/check. From what I can tell it is usually only for one hand...but still


From what I can see, At this time the addon issue only raises its head when you have been transfered from one table to another at addon time. It happens a lot in the small rebuy sats because of a lot of late additions to the field around addon time.

Playing NLHE SNGs, I sometimes don't have an All In button and I have to move the slider. Not having an all-in button in No limit holdem is ridiculous.

I heard someone mention collusion the other day in the small satellites I think both on here and then last night on the tables. I have never really encountered it blatantly (meaning if they did do it I did not notice). With a lot of the same people playing everyday I can see it as a potential problem.

Well, today while I was playing the $3.30 to the $27.50 OSS Event tonight, we were down to 8 players and 6 got paid.

See the hand below, and the chat and tell me if you think it is cheating and/or collusion? Notice he mentions his hand holding while the player seems to be thinking about the hand for a long time. If it is hard to see, he tells the other two players he has a J high flush while one of them is left, then continues further as the other player doesn't fold right away, "Now watch your dumb butt bet"

I said nothing remotely close to that. I am saying that the fishy players who are interested in playing Omaha are playing Omaha, and so the games are still fishy because they are not being lured away to Beast tables. With NLHE, there is a ****ty promotion that lures the players interested in playing NLHE away from regular tables.

I never said anything about fish "leaving NLHE to play Omaha" because of the Beast.

They still don't realize (or care about) the difference in rake. They just sit at non-Beast Omaha tables because *that's all there is.*. There aren't any Beast Omaha tables (yet). If there were Beast Omaha, it would lure them to those tables and ruin the Omaha games too.

Also, I didn't call anyone stupid. I'm not condescending enough to think that just because someone is bad at poker that they're an idiot.

I'm getting the sense that you're unaware there's no Beast Omaha tables. Is that what's going on here?

It's definitely not swarmed with fish, that's for sure. But that's because the entire traffic is low in general.

There is a good fish:good player ratio. Even the regulars aren't very good for the most part. But the problem is that most of the real money-droppers are in the Beast rooms.

This is the case in NLHE cash games, too. In CAP rooms sometimes there is no CAP button, and in NL rooms sometimes there is no "All-In" button.

Also, sometimes the slider disappears as well as the buttons, and you're left with Call, Fold or min-raise.

They must be the dumbest colluders in the world if they'd write that in the chat and not a PM somewhere.

I'm gonna just vote "trashtalker/idiot".

The solution to satellites collusion is to disable chat at a certain point. When only a third of the field needs to be out this is when chat should no longer exist. (So for 6 seats, no chat at final table)

BUMP!!

Seems like you'd be better off posting that question in Poker Tracker's thread in our Commercial Software forum, rather than in an ACR help desk thread.

Lol is this serious? It's just classic fish trash talking bro.

"I have a J high Flush you should fold" is classic trash talking in a sat with 2 eliminations from the finish and 2 players in the hand?

I will buy it if you guys really think so...

In this day of cell phones, there is no reason for people to "partner" in a game through chat. I DO believe that happens with cell phones. Friends sit in a game and let each other know what they have etc. You have to be naive if you think that doesn't happen... "you" meaning people in general, not you WEC.

Dog

Yea but the problem isnt with poker tracker it the poker rooms software that shows hand when i lose and mucks when i win. I mean my opponent mucks.

So a colluder doesn't use Facebook/Skype/AIM/MSN Messenger/a private forum/a public forum/text messaging/WhatsApp/a phone call/IRC/private chat/public chat and instead writes it at the table where the other players can see.

Next time someone says the RNG is rigged I'm gonna take them seriously. Next time someone says "ive got aces" I'm going to fold my small blind.

Well he is making an offer to buddy up on the spot. The player behind could argue losing equity if he is holding the nuts.

+1

Well before I deposited here (America's Cardroom) I made sure they had some sort of self exclusion regulations in place in case the good old fashioned string of bad beats came in line and I didn't want to blow my winnings. They assured me on the phone that all I would need to do is call or email them at any time and ACR would exclude my account from playing until further notice. Sure enough, the beats started coming and I sent the email, in fact I was so disgusted I asked for my account to be frozen until my money was totally cashed out, I provided the documents and everything. Sure enough they gave me the run around, did not freeze my account after I send 2 more emails. By the 4th day my money was completely gone. I asked them if they could show some good faith because they went back on their word. I got an agent on the phone that tried at every opportunity to catch me in doing something wrong, he told me he wasn't receiving emails which I knew he was, he told me to screen shot an email then told me I could have made the email up and sent it, then he told me he was receiving an email from me but it was the same one over and over and he told me to stop sending him the same emails. Finally after 3 hours of going back and forth with them and calling back I proved my case that it was their wrong for not freezing my account and he told me they would do nothing for me at all. So the next day I called trying to get a better agent on the phone, I was forwarded to security. I spoke to a woman (Tabatha) and she told me to email the emails all over again to her department. After I did I called back 10 minutes later and she wasn't at her desk (big surprise), and I got Adrian, the supposed manager, who told me off and told me I have a compulsion problem and I am trying to get money off the site and that he won't do anything for me. After he disrespected me I got angry, we went back and forth and he froze my account purposely indefinitely just for spite. Stay away from this cardroom it's a joke. BTW, here's a conversation I had yesterday with online CHAT help before I started making phone calls:

Live Chat » ACR SupportThere are currently 1 chat request(s) before you in the chat queue.
Your Question: What happened to my rakeback? It's Wednesday and I didn't get any.
Please wait, an operator will be with you shortly.
You are now chatting with Kobe S. (Customer Support Agent) - ACR Support
12:10Kobe S.: Hello! Welcome to our Live Chat Department, my name is Kobe , how may I help you?
12:10Customer: Kobe I have 2 issues.
12:10Kobe S.: Hi Paul.
12:10Kobe S.: May I please have your username?
12:11Customer: ********* is my username. Before I signed up I was told if I emailed you guys to freeze my account temporarily you would so so immediately. What happened was I took some bad beats and I got tilty, I asked if you guys could freeze my account 3 times by email in back to back days and you guys never did. I ended up losing my money. Is there any way you guys could work with me here? You told me you'd help me out with tilting by temporarily holding my account and you never did. Any signs of good faith?
12:14Kobe S.: Ok first. About the rakeback
12:14Kobe S.: Rakeback payments are done on a weekly basis on Wednesday. This will be calculated based on the the previous week of activity from Monday- Sunday. Please allow until Wednesday night to see your payment reflected in your balance, however, it might be done earlier than this.
12:15Kobe S.: Regarding the second issue allow me please a few moments so i can review your case please
12:15Customer: Ok.
Kenneth B (Security Agent) has joined the conference.
12:21Kenneth B: Thank you for contacting security.
12:21Kenneth B: This is Kenneth.
12:22Customer: Hi Kenneth.
12:24Kenneth B: Sir in regards to the funds spent at the tables you are responsible for your actions at the tables. If you requested the account to be disabled via email you must wait for a confirmation email.
12:24Kenneth B: We have never received an email with this request on the security department.
12:24Kenneth B: Which is the department in charge to block account.
12:27Customer: Kenneth here's the thing, before I signed up to make a deposit I had contacted you guys. I said how much I love poker and how much I enjoy playing and how I've been playing for years. I called you guys via telephone and told you guys my situation. I told them I am a strong poker player and have been playing for years, the only problem I see with depositting on your site is that you don't have a self exclusion option to click so that tilt can be prevented. The gentleman on the phone was very nice to me, he said simply shoot us an email and your account will be blocked immediately. I did just that. He never told me I would have to wait for a confirmation email or anything. If that was the case, I'd probably have waited to deposit until there was a self exclusion feaqture included because unfortunately, as in many cases even with professionals, tilt can be a horible thing and when I received such bad luck I did the right thing and emailed you guys. It was 3 days later and the account was still not frozen. That is not what I was told on the phone. All i am asking is you guys show some good faith and give me a 2nd chance. Right now I can not make any more deposits because I believe you guys didn't keep your end of the bargain. If you show good faith, as I was told on the phone, and through emails I sent you guys regarding the requests to freeze the account, I look forward to doing a lot of business with you guys.
12:29Customer: I mean if you look at when I emailed you guys, it was a long time and my account still wasn't frozen, this is not what I was told on the phone. You guys were supposed to help me.
12:29Kenneth B: I aware if the conversation you had with security previously.
12:29Customer: Oh ok.
12:29Kenneth B: You were advised to send us an email
12:29Customer: I did.
12:29Customer: I can show proof if you like, I sent more than one.
12:30Kenneth B: And if you did not receive an email to register a new email address.
12:30Customer: No, that I was not told.
12:30Kenneth B: and contact us in order to request this information to be updated.
12:30Kenneth B: We have the records of the conversation.
12:30Customer: Is there any way I can call you guys?
12:31Customer: Because I have records as well.
12:32Customer: Ohhhh Kenneth!
12:32Customer: Now I know what you're talking about, let me explain.
12:33Customer: You did receive my emails, that is true, and you requested that I update my physical address information for that cashout. Yes that I remember. However, you also receieved my email regarding to FREEZE THE ACCOUNT (i'm not yelling just stressing), BEFORE the cashout. This was requested by me so that I would not play by tilting and I would be able to receive my money.
12:34Customer: I am not asking for a cashout now, heck the money is gone, all I am asking is that you guys show good faith on your end because you promised when I requested an account freeze temporarily for tilt purposes you would do so. All I am asking is for some good faith to perhaps refund the funds that were supposed to be temporarily frozen, since we did have an agreement before I depositted.
12:36Customer: If you look at your records, there was an email sent (and I have the email on file) 1 or 2 days ago to freeze the account right then and there. I know you guys received the email because you responded back with regards to account details, but you never froze the account.
12:36Customer: 1 or 2 days BEFORE**
12:36Kenneth B: The agreement is if you request to have the account frozen you must send us an email with the request then wait for our response letting you know that it was processed
12:37Customer: Kenneth I am sorry but that was not the agreement.
12:37Customer: Account freeze requests shouldn't take 3 days anyway.
12:37Customer: That defeats the purpose of tilting anyway, if it takes 3 days to process an account freeze, what's the point of asking for one?
12:38Kenneth B: Paul we don't have any emails from you requesting this.
12:38Customer: I will prove it, what is your email?
12:38Customer: I will simply forward the 3 emails I sent days ago.
12:38Kenneth B: Do you have a confirmation email from us saying that the account is disabled?
12:39Customer: Kenneth you just said you don't have any emails from me requesting this, I am telling you that oyu do have them, and I am going to send you proof, now what is your email?
12:41Kenneth B: Paul if you don't have a confirmation saying that we received your email and that your account has been disabled there is no case in regards to this complain. Your responsibility is to make sure that your request has been received and processed.
12:41Customer: You can't do this to people, especially ones that are responsible enough to call you before making deposits. You are supposed to be building your cardroom, not trying to contradict what your customers have said. I am a very good customer, I have been involved with Two Plus Two and poker for years. We can do business for a very long time, all I am asing is for some good faith.
12:42Customer: Can you show good faith?
12:42Kenneth B: This is a matter of procedures Sir.
12:42Customer: This is unacceptable
12:42Kenneth B: I cannot disable your account if I don't receive your request.
12:43Customer: What you said would happen did not happen. You guys gave me your word and you took back on it. And don't tell me you did not receive my request because I am willing to email you proof and you are refusing to accept it. I am so rry but I will have to tell my friends what happened here today.
12:43Customer: People need to know what happened.
12:45Kenneth B: It is a very known practice in our community. We will only proceed to place an account on hold if it is requested by the customer via email or he is on violation of our terms of service.
12:46Kenneth B: Afterwards you will receive an email letting you know
12:47Kenneth B: that It was disabled and the reason.
12:47Customer: You are not being fair to me, am contacting you guys via telephone.
12:48Customer: If this doesn't get straightened out I will have to let people know.
12:49Kenneth B: Sure feel free to contact us over the phone.

Little did Kenneth know I had proof of the 3 emails I sent to ACR with 3 different replies back on telling me what to do for a cashout (not for an account freeze). They just refused to freeze the account. I proved these 3 emails I sent along with their replies to prove that they got them and they still didn't do anything for me. The site is ran by criminals.

As for rakeback? It's a joke. I contacted them regarding my rakeback and I was supposed to get it starting yesterday. Not a penny was given. I emailed them last night at 11pm EST, next morning at 10am no email back no extra money in my account nothing. The site is a joke, rude, horrible customer service and they rip off their customers. No wonder it has 0 traffic. Stay as far away as possible.

What do you want them to do (besides freeze ur account) like now? You want them to give you money? You sat at the tables and lost the $$, sorry they didn't freeze ur account that's ****ty of them to say they would and then don't but it's ur own fault for losing the remaining money. If you can't stay off after you lose x amount and you throw away your money maybe it is a personal problem, just saying

It's not like I lost the money right away, I lost it 3 days later. And I played on 888 poker about 3 years ago and asked to be excluded and they didn't, I lost the money then too, and you know what happened? They gave me every nickel back. So yeah, if you're a poker site and you say you're gonna do something and you don't, you owe it to the customer to give them at least something back. Everybody tilts including you.

Yeah, I've tilted away 10gs before pre BF on FT I never asked for money back, I would be ashamed to ask for money back that I was not mentally strong enough to control and not tilt away, ur right we all tilt but we all don't cry and expect to get it back.. Pathetic

That's the problem nowadays no one takes responsibility anymore it's always someone else's ****ing problem and that's what tilting.. Ya they didn't disband ur account, lets say on 888 you email them to shut it off then u snap sit down ur roll at a 5/10 table and bust it, u cry saying its there fault... Ur free rolling.. Idk if I believe your story, good luck kid in life, if u keep this mentality it's gonna be very hard on you