does ACR ever run MTT Series?

Just did a month ago, but it was a micro series. Pretty sick really. They had a $2 $10K. I'd imagine at some point in the future they will have a real one, but I'd rather they worry about creating a playable daily MTT schedule before worrying about a series. The current schedule is just sad.

completely agree,would they listen to what everyones saying and make a better MTT scheldule and maybe up some GTDs,and are there gonna update there software skin-wide on all the skins?

I'd say that WPN will improve their MTT schedule when they get a better estimate of the traffic as it levels out since BCP came on board.

This week, I would be interested in seeing how many MTT games currently had overlays or not. If they made money on them, I'm sure they will offer more.

I would be interested to see how the next two weekends go to see how it looks. I hope that there are more runners.

More runners to the existing games to at least make the GTD = more future games.

I am definately optimistic with WPN and enjoy the site. I do hope there are some additional GTD tournaments coming both during the day and evening schedule. I do understand that GTD could potentially eat their $$ if they are not careful but I'd say that discussions are pretty hot atm since BCP had some MTT grinders coming.

Less dead money in GTD=more GTD tourneys.

Negative

This very likely does not apply to you, but The Winning Poker Network recently did adjust rake downward, at least for all fixed limit games, and now matches that of Pokerstars/Merge in this regard. Perhaps they are considering doing this with their other games?

You must have missed it, BCP is no longer at Merge and has joined The Winning Poker Network where ACR resides

I think they will also and I assume the same reasons you have, that they want to see where traffic levels out. Many times when a move such as the BCP move takes place, it takes 3-4 weeks for a site's traffic to stabilize. We should get our first peek at the scout numbers in just a few days.


--
Kahn

If they wait till traffic 'levels out', it will be too late.

too late for what? For you or the players? Any site that receives new player base has to wait to see what type of traffic they are looking at to make it worth WPN AND the players. I am sure that when there is a leveling, WPN will adjust to the "new" norm.

The last thing they are going to do today is starting to load up their MTT's with a bunch of GTD games that they aren't "sure" they will be able to meet. This is what sets apart WPN and others that try to fill up with GTD MTT games.

They do have MTT's but may not be as many as merge and Lock. BUT look at the fast payouts. This means, there is fluidity in their business model. Let's be patient and wait and see what happens.

Fast payouts? Still waiting. My request went in on 9-20, and was cancelled on the migration, with no indication that I would be treated with a little extra effort because of my already outrageous wait.

If, I get any of my money, I will immediately request more, until I love the game selection, or at least can tolerate it. I will do this until I have a small roll at BCP because I do believe that eventually, changes will happen, but by then I may have moved on, or back to Merge where the selection is ok.

As much as I want to think I am a unique individual, I will not delude myself that I am alone in this thinking. The longer it takes to greatly improve the game selection, the less money BCP players will be representing at WPN.

I figure I can get the bulk of my money out in 5 withdrawals, which, if things go as stated, might take as little as 2 weeks. Which would represent a total wait time of 3 months......

Sounding impatient you think? Yup!

So you from BCP waiting for your withdraw and receive from Winning?

Yes, but the point is game selection.

I see what you are saying totally I do. I think that in time it will come. It just needs to come in its time, and not within a week of a new player base that comes.

Need to know the base first before filling the lobby up with games that don't meet the GTD money. Last thing FOR WPN do is go broke paying the PLAYERS winning the tourneys that Winning lost and lose money and then that means delays the players withdrawals.

Then I do understand your point on having variety of selection which is definately valid to have a better selection of games.

I can see the point for winning. When Lock moved to revolution, they tried to bring MTTs to match close as possible to Merge lobby. The difference is Lock bought Cake and could do what they wanted. This is different. BCP though can influence the decisions on MTT tourney additions, it is ultimately up to Winning and the skins (ACR, TRUE, and now BCP) to get together and add some tourneys.

It would be the best interest to wait to see what happens first before adding a unch of MTTs to the schedule just because of an addition of BCP. Who knows, it may be a new lobby and new software and new schedule by next month (which is the speculative time). That would be the time to do it, not this week.

Also you don't know, there may be some other sites that are on the board to move over to winning network,we don't know that. It is strange the non Carbon skins aren't participating with the PM3 so maybe? We dunno.

I don't know why anyone thinks BCP coming to the network is such a big deal. All these players would have came anyway if they had a MTT schedule that was playable and cash games that weren't like pulling teeth. All the same people play on every single US facing site and a good % of them play all these sites at the same time. The same people who play Merge play Bovada who play Revolution who play WPN.

I'm sure a lot of the BCP players (myself included) already had a WPN account on another skin anyway.

+1 for synchronized breaks

+1

This is exactly why I never, ever, ever play in a Beast/Jackpot room.

There are more than enough tables for me to 8-12 table every day (including Omaha), pay normal, non-horrifying rake, and never pay a cent to the stupid Beast.

Where do you find these 8-12 tables of non JP/beast tables? I have a hard time getting 3 or 4 usually.

I'm including Omaha in that. There's usually 4-6 tables from 10PLO to 50PLO going on at any given time, plus whatever handful of NLHE games that are going on that aren't BBJ-ed to death.

If you play mid to high stakes, your mileage may vary. I'm talking micros and low stakes.

Why don't we just start playing on the non BBJ tables? That would solve everything

Donks like BBJ's, so no one sits very many non BBJ tables. I try to sit a bunch, but they hardly fill. This is 100NL and up typically. Between that and all The Beast grinders I've been sitting anything from 25NL-400NL. Pretty much gave up cash on the site for the time being. It's possible to get on some really good tables, but you have to look.

In that case I have bad news for you. I don't remember exactly when it was posted, but they said they are considering Omaha tables with BBJ/Beast rake as well...

fish play on the bbj tables so everyone follows them there?

Usually that is the case. But the BBJ tables are the only the also rake for the beast. Which is why the games are not fishy. Instead they are super tight.

That doesn't bother me so much, because (a) I play Omaha enough to qualify for the Beast, and (b) I can't see Omaha games ever becoming the nit-fests that NLHE Beast games are. It's just impossible to really play nitty at Omaha enough to turn me off to the game.

Still, the principle of the Beast bothers me (that everyone on the site is subsidizing bonuses to the biggest grinders). The site should be rewarding the grinders, not penalizing the lower-volume players to pay for the grinders. Even if I benefited from that it would still suck in theory.

It is great in theory(and real life) for the site though, ducy? They give the illusion of this huge pay day for winning, but unless you're 30 tabling playing for the soul purpose of winning The Beast you have on chance at any real amount of attainable money. It's the perfect set up to keep games going at all times through the super grinders while letting the recreational players pay for them. It's not a scam, but in a sense it basically is because your average player has ZERO chance of seeing anything from it, but pays a huge amount into it.

I love the fact they have a rakechase, but they need to pay for it themselves.