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09-06-2021 , 01:00 PM
The play is simpler and faster in SnGs than 100+bb cash, which enables you to play more tables/games per hour than cash does.

In SnGs I pretty much only play hypers, which have a 40-ish percent fee and huuuuuuge variance, but also gives one the opportunity to rake up huge volume quickly.

With that said, anybody grinding SnGs exclusively is putting a pretty severe ceiling on their potential earnings. And anybody putting big SnG volume here if they have access to the infinitely softer North American-only sites is a lunatic.

5 regs and 1 fish/semi-fish in a SnG is not really a big moneymaker
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09-06-2021 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by transversal
Yeah I don't think your argument makes sense. You gamble for a certain amount of money. If that money has 10% removed from it, it is a worse gamble than if only 5% is removed from it.
Take an example from a casino tournament, $100 buy in, $25 vig and optional $5-10 toke for the dealers. That's $35.

You buy in to a $1/$2 cash game for $100. $4 drop, $1 jackpot drop plus an extra $1 for pots that reach the river. Then whatever you decide to tip. You win 7 pots you might have $50 less than you should. You've put more money in the casinos hands and out of the player pool.

Obviously, both are insanely high %s, but to suggest not playing sngs because of the rake is a ridiculous argument
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09-06-2021 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
I'm not in anyway endorsing the training site, but this short article is reasonably well written about tournaments versus cash and might help you understand the difference better, beyond just personal preference. I hope it is helpful.

https://upswingpoker.com/cash-games-...omparison/amp/
Well the rake as entry fee vs. winner's tax does make sense. So I take your point.
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09-06-2021 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JustMarty
Take an example from a casino tournament, $100 buy in, $25 vig and optional $5-10 toke for the dealers. That's $35.

You buy in to a $1/$2 cash game for $100. $4 drop, $1 jackpot drop plus an extra $1 for pots that reach the river. Then whatever you decide to tip. You win 7 pots you might have $50 less than you should. You've put more money in the casinos hands and out of the player pool.

Obviously, both are insanely high %s, but to suggest not playing sngs because of the rake is a ridiculous argument

For sure, live is brutal with the rakes and tips.
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09-07-2021 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowedin17
Anyone see the Party Poker Fast Poker Scandal? Any blitz players notice the same in their stats?

I just looked at mine and it sure seems like something is way off ...

https://ibb.co/album/3mBTmz


EP - 20,719
MP - 13,530
CO - 11,801
BN - 15,118
SB - 15,075
BB - 15,102

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09-07-2021 , 11:56 PM
I have crypto on Coinbase and was told not to transfer to ACR, what is the best way to get there, just send to random wallet and than to ACR?
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09-08-2021 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Taiwanrules
I have crypto on Coinbase and was told not to transfer to ACR, what is the best way to get there, just send to random wallet and than to ACR?
Correct, do not deposit or withdrawal directly from Coinbase to a gambling site, always use an intermediate wallet in between. Exodus wallet is a good choice in terms of privacy.

There have been several stories on 2+2 of Coinbase closing accounts for going directly to and from gambling sites. The same holds true for several stories of getting CashApp and Blockchain accounts closed. Blockchain use to be a good intermediate, but those days appear to be over given the several reports of account closures for directly to and from gambling sites. If anyone else tells you that Blockchain is still safe and you do it, then that **** is on you.

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09-08-2021 , 01:25 AM
Wtf they cut the late $20 10k gtd hyper to 5k gtd outa nowhere? when has it ever missed the gtd in the past few years. Bring back winning_td or anyone who has a clue unlike these shills collecting a paycheck like nanonoko
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09-08-2021 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
Wtf they cut the late $20 10k gtd hyper to 5k gtd outa nowhere? when has it ever missed the gtd in the past few years. Bring back winning_td or anyone who has a clue unlike these shills collecting a paycheck like nanonoko
I saw that earlier, too. I've played it several times over the last week and it's gotten 100+ entries over the 10k guarantee each time. Not sure what logic, if any, they're using
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09-08-2021 , 09:36 AM
Hallo. I play 200 blitz and have noticed my PT4 results and cashier never add up after a day of sessions. There is always $5-10 less in my cashier every 1500-2000h or so vs what PT4 says. My rb (the 27%) is also $5 less than it should be every day.

Is there just an inaccuracy with the ACR hh history to PT4? Are some hands missed? Cheers
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09-08-2021 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ist Das Crazyboi
Hallo. I play 200 blitz and have noticed my PT4 results and cashier never add up after a day of sessions. There is always $5-10 less in my cashier every 1500-2000h or so vs what PT4 says. My rb (the 27%) is also $5 less than it should be every day.

Is there just an inaccuracy with the ACR hh history to PT4? Are some hands missed? Cheers
For best results to questions like this, post here and cross post in that particular "Poker Software" sub-forum thread.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../index154.html
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09-08-2021 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
Wtf they cut the late $20 10k gtd hyper to 5k gtd outa nowhere? when has it ever missed the gtd in the past few years. Bring back winning_td or anyone who has a clue unlike these shills collecting a paycheck like nanonoko
It's back to 10k tonight... weird
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09-08-2021 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mcc3504
Wtf they cut the late $20 10k gtd hyper to 5k gtd outa nowhere? when has it ever missed the gtd in the past few years. Bring back winning_td or anyone who has a clue unlike these shills collecting a paycheck like nanonoko
The new structures are terrible. What micro player wants to play 4 hrs of late reg when min cash is $2.60 on a $2 +.20 buyin? PKO overload, 24 levels of 5 minutes for most satellites, and the list goes on. Best game on schedule was the Sunday 100K 2 hr late reg for 109 and now its 15 levels of 20 minutes if I remember correctly.

The Apps have better structures and 2 hr late reg is the norm.
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09-08-2021 , 01:52 PM
The 3-4 hour of late reg. is ridiculous to say the least and still hasn't changed a bit since i left this site last year. Cash games on the other hand bot infested more than before.
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09-08-2021 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by max85
Does blitz run it twice work with hm2? Mine doesn’t seem to track the ev
No there is an issue with HM2 it looks like and Blitz on ACR for the run it twice feature. Both for 200NL and 50NL I noticed. It doesn't calculate the all in EV and also the replayer seems to be broken.

If you export the hand you can see that the text file is different with run it twice (obviously) and I think HM2 software hasn't updated to address that.

Maybe we could post in the HM2 software thread.
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09-08-2021 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
The new structures are terrible. What micro player wants to play 4 hrs of late reg when min cash is $2.60 on a $2 +.20 buyin? PKO overload, 24 levels of 5 minutes for most satellites, and the list goes on. Best game on schedule was the Sunday 100K 2 hr late reg for 109 and now its 15 levels of 20 minutes if I remember correctly.

The Apps have better structures and 2 hr late reg is the norm.
I’ve noticed the structure changing on most mtts I play from week to week which is odd. Usually when my session ends I’ll check the schedule for the next day to see when I’ll be playing. I’ve seen many tourneys I plan on playing completely disappear from the schedule over night. They seem to be doing things on the fly which I’m not a fan of
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09-08-2021 , 03:46 PM
WPN would male the MTTs far more enjoyable I'd they went after the same group of players that enter last minute, open new table, and then stall/disconnect into the money. I've gone a full orbit in the amount of time it takes for a single hand on the brand new table of new entries.

Enough with tweaking MTT schedule every couple days. Stop these clowns from stealing equity, same group all day long. Its collusion by default. I brought this up years ago and they changed the seating script. It's almost as bad again now.
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09-08-2021 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
WPN would male the MTTs far more enjoyable I'd they went after the same group of players that enter last minute, open new table, and then stall/disconnect into the money. I've gone a full orbit in the amount of time it takes for a single hand on the brand new table of new entries.

Enough with tweaking MTT schedule every couple days. Stop these clowns from stealing equity, same group all day long. Its collusion by default. I brought this up years ago and they changed the seating script. It's almost as bad again now.
Yep, the majority of max late reg are still being sat at the same table with a few going to existing tables. I’ve noticed all the short stacks at the same table several times. The two hour late reg mtts end far enough off the money where you don’t see rampant stalling until it gets close to the money. The 3hr 12 min levels and above 4/5 hour late reg all have this problem which could probably be fixed with a better structure. I also think the poor table balancing plays a large role. They have yet to figure that out
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09-08-2021 , 04:38 PM
How's cashout times on ACR these days? Bitcoin obv
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09-08-2021 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger24
The two hour late reg mtts end far enough off the money where you don’t see rampant stalling until it gets close to the money.

versus

The 3hr 12 min levels and above 4/5 hour late reg all have this problem which could probably be fixed with a better structure. I also think the poor table balancing plays a large role. They have yet to figure that out
We were talking about this same topic in the Bonition thread. I think the key is in the different stages of a tournament.

Stage #1 late registeration

Stage #2 running, late registeration closed, but not in the money

Stage #3 in the money

The tournaments with the problems are the ones where Stage #2 isn't long enough. Having Stage #1 late registaration end too close to Stage #3 in the money is asking for trouble and tons of angle shooters.

There probably is some golden ratio of Stage #1 late reg to Stage #2 running. Say something like 4 hours of Stage #1 late reg for every 1 hour of Stage #2 running. Or put the same way 2 hours of Stage #1 late reg to 30 minutes of Stage #2 running, not in the money yet. And tweak the structure until you get that result on average for the Stage #2 running before the Stage #3 in the money.

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09-08-2021 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
We were talking about this same topic in the Bonition thread. I think the key is in the different stages of a tournament.

Stage #1 late registeration

Stage #2 running, late registeration closed, but not in the money

Stage #3 in the money

The tournaments with the problems are the ones where Stage #2 isn't long enough. Having Stage #1 late registaration end too close to Stage #3 in the money is asking for trouble and tons of angle shooters.

There probably is some golden ratio of Stage #1 late reg to Stage #2. Say something like 4 hours of Stage #1 late reg for every 1 hour of Stage #2. Or put the same way 2 hours of Stage #1 late reg to 30 minutes of Stage #2.
The golden ratio is not having 4 hours of late reg lol ... but that won't change any time soon so neither will anything ur complaining about. The problem is 4 hours of late reg period ...
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09-08-2021 , 05:19 PM
Might as well pile on, on the off chance any ACR rep actually cares enough to read this thread instead of wasting time making cool new Avatar's nobody gives a **** about.

4 hour late registration is stupid and ridiculous for online tournaments. At least not for the majority of the dailies.

And if you're an ACR Rep who's happened to read this far which I doubt without dreaming up more stupid avatars, add mixed games. You're not even a poker site you're a no-limit holdem site that happens to have not a lot of omaha and even less stud and stud 8 games. Add 8 game cash and even gasp a low guarantee tournament to start.

Stop trying to "bling" the site and actually make it a poker site that functions.

And if you're still still reading and I'll get flamed for this ban every single address from Eastern Bloc countries.

But in the end it doesn't matter. If the US ever gets to shared player pool with most states and GG and stars are legal your business is dead anyway.
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09-08-2021 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sah_24
The golden ratio is not having 4 hours of late reg lol ... but that won't change any time soon so neither will anything ur complaining about. The problem is 4 hours of late reg period ...
Dude read the next sentence in my original post. Firstly, the topic at hand is about late reg angle shooters. Secondly, I was describing a "golden ratio" written in whole hours at first and then written in fractions.

4 hours late reg to 1 hour running, not in money yet

is the same thing ratio wise as

2 hours late reg to 30 minutes running, not in money yet

I said nothing about tournaments should be 4 hours late reg.

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09-08-2021 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sah_24
The golden ratio is not having 4 hours of late reg lol ... but that won't change any time soon so neither will anything ur complaining about. The problem is 4 hours of late reg period ...
Long late reg for huge GTDs I get. 4 he late reg 15 levels of 20 mins for nano/micro players is insane. I have tons of lower stake players in my discord and they have started to move away from WPN because of this. I say this as someone that has WPN as their go to site to play MTTs and I'll play 100s of ODs when I'm around.
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Originally Posted by BDBlue
Might as well pile on, on the off chance any ACR rep actually cares enough to read this thread instead of wasting time making cool new Avatar's nobody gives a **** about.

4 hour late registration is stupid and ridiculous for online tournaments. At least not for the majority of the dailies.

And if you're an ACR Rep who's happened to read this far which I doubt without dreaming up more stupid avatars, add mixed games. You're not even a poker site you're a no-limit holdem site that happens to have not a lot of omaha and even less stud and stud 8 games. Add 8 game cash and even gasp a low guarantee tournament to start.

Stop trying to "bling" the site and actually make it a poker site that functions.

And if you're still still reading and I'll get flamed for this ban every single address from Eastern Bloc countries.

But in the end it doesn't matter. If the US ever gets to shared player pool with most states and GG and stars are legal your business is dead anyway.
Mixed games is such an ignored variant. I play in a mixed game club and we have a couple hundred players. Tables run 24/7 and stakes up to $50/100 as low as $.10/.20

We don't have 100 tables going but always games playing and open sitting will bring players. SWC is the only site that has them listed regularly for US players but their LowBall Mixed MTT will get 4 or 5 entries.

Even the PLO we have has tons of action at night. They don't offer rewards or anything like that. It's just a lot of action. More $10/20 tables running than any US facing site. Point being, online play is still very much alive, but I think a lot of players are moving off name networks and playing on apps and private clubs.

I would LOVE for WPN to start running Badugi and its variants, 2-7TD, etc... I see an appetite for dramaha games ffs. I dont understand why large networks don't offer them unless they feel the costs to do it exceed expected profit over the short haul.

When I'm free for the day, I will still play 30 or 40 ODs a day on WPN, though. Customer for a long time and probably will be for a long time in the future.
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09-08-2021 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by a dewd
Long late reg for huge GTDs I get. 4 he late reg 15 levels of 20 mins for nano/micro players is insane. I have tons of lower stake players in my discord and they have started to move away from WPN because of this. I say this as someone that has WPN as their go to site to play MTTs and I'll play 100s of ODs when I'm around.Mixed games is such an ignored variant. I play in a mixed game club and we have a couple hundred players. Tables run 24/7 and stakes up to $50/100 as low as $.10/.20

We don't have 100 tables going but always games playing and open sitting will bring players. SWC is the only site that has them listed regularly for US players but their LowBall Mixed MTT will get 4 or 5 entries.

Even the PLO we have has tons of action at night. They don't offer rewards or anything like that. It's just a lot of action. More $10/20 tables running than any US facing site. Point being, online play is still very much alive, but I think a lot of players are moving off name networks and playing on apps and private clubs.

I would LOVE for WPN to start running Badugi and its variants, 2-7TD, etc... I see an appetite for dramaha games ffs. I dont understand why large networks don't offer them unless they feel the costs to do it exceed expected profit over the short haul.

When I'm free for the day, I will still play 30 or 40 ODs a day on WPN, though. Customer for a long time and probably will be for a long time in the future.
Played HORSE mtts on full tilt pre Black Friday. Been waiting for ACR to have full mixed cash. I would play those games daily. I would actually be more interested in mixed cash rather than NL mtts which is the majority of what I play because of the guarantees. I’m actually surprised they don’t already have these games running. It’s funny cause I always check their forum to see if it’s included in future updates but never see it
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