OK. I thought I was the only one. Quick payouts and decent MTT selection are some of the few things good thing about this site now. Everything was good before the update, and its been 5 months without a fix? Handofgod666 is right, we are being played.

Sportsbook not loading for me. I dont know about you guys but im pulling 95% of my money off. This level of incompetency can only go on so long before the floor falls beneath them

I think the site will last AT-LEAST until the Venom

For you to say this, it is disconcerting to hear. You are one of the most respected high stakes cash game players on 2+2 and probably the best "No rathole tables" omaha player on ACR. I don't want to hear the truth tbh because I used to love ACR, but it's all right there for us to see.

Ya this site is a dumpster fire. I'm just a rec but I don't know how any pro can deal with this bullshit. I seriously think the people running this site are on drugs. Didn't Naggy have some teeth missing? Dude runs a money maker and can't afford a couple of implants?


I wouldn't be surprised if dude was a dope or crack fiend. Something has to explain those horrific jerseys he wears and that's not even getting into the skid row version of a poker site this place turned into.


I deleted this site from my pc. Just to much aggravation just to play some cards.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

I was agreeing with you.

I already contacted him and he said he won't be "going down that rabbit hole again" and something to the extent that ACR is finished.

100%. There was strong evidence to suggest that they may have already been insolvent prior to the venom. Now they are withholding almost all flat rakeback and over 50% of VIP rakeback. They are committing brazen theft and fraud and this can only go on for so long. 3 or 4 bots on every 6max table can only be tolerated for so long.

This crossed my mind as well. It is obvious there is some level of drug use going down at WPN but to what extent? In one of the recent RyanDepaulo videos his girlfriend says someone asked her if she wanted cocaine at the WPN cage (it may have just been a local dealer, she didn't say it was a WPN employee or anything). This wouldn't explain everything but would make the erratic decision making a little more understandable.

Anyone else getting timed out on cash tables? It's driving me insane. There are also times when the tables just disappear and I have to rejoin them without any warning or explanation. These aren't internet issues, for sure fwiw.

brb pulling 95% as well, not kidding.

Change your default browser to Google Chrome, and it'll work. I had the same problem myself.

How does one even withdraw 95% of their roll when the max bitcion is 10k? Can you get higher limits for withdraws?

Also I really dont think its fair to say the funds arent there, there is no proof of that. The major problems are the software bugs and rakeback/points issues, everything else is just standard WPN.. They will be here until poker dies, americans will keep playing, and as long as the tournament scheduale doesn't die enough non Americans will keep playing.

That being said keeping a smaller amount if you can is definitely the way to go. It is really sad to see how downhill the site has got since the update, we really had something great before, what happend?

Max withdraw every day. The cash cow is dying, (so many bots and the software is ridiculous). I rather be playing almost risk-free when it goes down hill. They wont even pay rakeback/loyalty correctly - they are probably insolvent. With that being said, I'll still play the Venom, but I don't feel comfortable keeping a large roll on the site at this point.

then wtf do you do if u win 1million in the venom? withdraw 10k for 100 days? Or does mr naggy call you and beg you to be a sponsored pro and ship 1m to your wallet address? How can they have a 420$ mtt paying 100k to first if you can only withdraw 10k of it?

Does anyone know if it's possible to raise the bitcion withdraw amount?

Didn't some guy break a world record for pulling a mil via bitcoin, idk how he did it, but he did it.

Yes they had guiness world records staff come to WPN HQ and Nagy sent the 1 million of bitcoin there with them present and they filmed the thing. They are paying out withdrawals promptly but they are only willing to pay out whatever funds they feel you should have. In my case I've been shorted over 50% of my RP, nutedawg was shorted atleast 18%. Flat rakeback players have reported much higher percentages of shorted RB. For a high volume player this equals thousands of dollars. WiCane and johhnyman are mysteriously mum.

LOL they finally got back to me about my missing blitz money over email, after like 2 months. I straight up told them they are looking like a crackhead site and to step their ****ing game up. I have to give them more info when they have all the information, **** them. I told them to get a Rep back in here to.


I'm done caring tho, screw these amateurs.





Just the fact that HOG seems to be blacklisted by the Rep on this site tells you what you need to know. If they can treat one customer like garbage they can treat them all like garbage.... What else can you expect from trash people?

You say that regularly but offer nothing to of value to prove that. You just claim some player has some stats or played a hand some way and call it a bot.

If the same players are beating you in PLO and their stats are similar maybe they are just better PLO players. That never crossed your mind? Maybe they are playing optimal PLO.

I'm all for free speech but this drivel honestly needs to stop. I think you may deserve a ban.

There is a thread from 2016 about this bot when it was present on pokerstars and party called "Massive bot ring on PokerStars/Party and how to spot them" :

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...-them-1537778/

I read this entire thread and the stats are the same across the board with the stats I collected on the WPN botring.

Here is the original spreadsheet I made back in Feburary, only one of these bot accounts is still active (PennyHill) :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Jj9dj4DSPc8h4E

WPN banned the following PLO cash game bots : iBetUfoldt, phanatik, stoicwise and bardos11 (all are in the spreadsheet and play this same stat profile).

There are at least 10 active bots at PLO200 and lower that are playing this exact same stat profile and new accounts continue to be made and retired day in and day out.

I do not cbet the flop at a higher frequency when the pot is multiway than when the pot is heads up like these bots do, it is not because that is some secrete strategy that only better players use, it is because you need to have a better hand in order to bet for value multiway, so your overall value bet and bluff frequency combined must go down.

I also do not squeeze preflop more than I 3bet preflop like these bot accounts do for similar reasons as above, more players have entered the pot, so a tighter range of hands is required to reraise.

I also do not float the flop at a 76% frequency overall as these bot accounts do and once again this strategy is very clearly unique to this particular bot.

No, they are not playing "Optimal PLO". Monkersolver never bets more multiway than heads up given the same flop and position. Monkersolver squeezes tighter than it 3bets.

Preflop they do not play remotely close to monkersolver for even the most basic preflop stat, raise first in (frequency is different as well as hand composition).

As does yours. Maybe the time has come for you to find that WPN bot thread and take your arguments with everyone there.

I hardly find my post to be drivel. I provided direct refutations to what he said with evidence.

Sigh.

Yes, after you posted a single line, you reported his post. Then I replied to your post. Then you added a bunch of evidence to the post I had already replied to. Not sure what the point of this last post of yours is.

Look, here's the thing - I'm not saying that Lozgod's post was good, or that it wasn't. But when you call people out and say they don't know they're talking about, you should expect that you won't get a positive reply. If you don't like that, then don't engage in the first place. Or ignore the reply. Or you can post like you just did, with a solid refutation. Now if Lozgod's going to continue arguing without any evidence of his own, perhaps that will have to be dealt with. But we (mods) aren't here to judge which person knows the most about botting, and thus say that one person's opinion isn't valid and they need to be banned. That said, if someone appears to be derailing the thread intentionally by not arguing in good faith, or repeating themselves continuously, trolling, etc., we can and will take action.

Hopefully you and Lozgod have both made the points you want to and can move on. Or continue the discussion if there are new points to be brought up.

And I meant what I said earlier - we've had at least one, if not more, threads about WPN bots. Maybe it's time to move some of this conversation there. Or start a new thread. I've been reluctant to force this, because I think it's fair that people don't want to see that conversation sequestered from this thread. But at the same time, people need to be able to discuss other issues here without it being all about bots. There's not necessarily a right answer to this, but I'll let you guys decide if you want to take some of this to another thread. No need for a big conversation - continue as you are if you want, or go ahead and post the bot stuff in another thread. For now, I leave it up to you guys.

I think that is a good idea to start a new thread. I will do so.

not sure if this is ever even checked by ACR team anymore but ill give it a try.

You HAVE TO FIX THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR MAJORS.

please get rid of the insane long late register time. I understand it makes sense in some tournaments, but you cant do that in a god damn highstakes main event.

The late stage of all these tournaments is absolutely disgusting , stacks are insanely shallow and ICM considerations are ridiculous. It makes no sense that you are trying to attract more ROW players but offer pure garbage.
The 1k main event today had 30 bb avg stack when ITM and it got worse and worse towards the FT.

Reduce late reg by a few levels, cap it at 20 big blind mark and NOT 10 big blinds.
Eliminate some of the early levels and add levels later on.

Looking at the 420$ main right now ,theres 16 people left at 1m/2m level. the chipleader has 57million.. average stack is 33million and in 5 minutes , the 2.5mill level kicks in lol...

Um, you need to escalate this to them. Bovition has its own forum, does not WPN? I doubt your diatribe, though well thought out, will be read by those that care here.

Perhaps Winning_TD can offer an escalation, but methinks those late registrations are to meet guarantees (like they do on Bovition).

I agree the toxic nature of this thread isn't helping but at the same time you are being toxic yourself.

HOG made a thread in NVG about the WPN problems if you guys wanna add to it.