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08-08-2013 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Browndawg32
Which site is better for an American player? I plan on playing micro cash and MTTs. Thanks for any input!

It depends on a host of factors. This thread will likely get moved... Below is the thread it will be merged into most likely, which, incidentally, is likely to have lots of searchable information in it already


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...pdate-1238038/


To properly answer these questions you need to further define the game(s) and stake(s) you want to play as well as how important cashout speeds/methods are to you, how many tables you like to play at a time, whether anonymous players bothers you or not, etc.

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Kahn
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08-08-2013 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BinkeeBoinkee
Would anyone be willing to share their thoughts or actions regarding paying taxes on winnings? I would appreciate it. Thanks
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...ts-faq-740589/
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08-08-2013 , 04:08 PM
To determine which site you should deposit on, I recommend these two threads:

Carbon Withdrawal Thread

Bovada Withdrawal Thread

Your answer should become crystal clear.
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08-08-2013 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by imakeutilt
When you say anonymous that means people cant stalk you? I'm really not liking carbon..I understand variance but the variance I've seen on there is sick I had ak and pocket queens over three tables in a row.all got split by joke hands..then I heard racists remarks to other people..combined wit a two month payout and sng traffic either being set up for 300 chip crapshoot hyperw or DONs = not a good time
So if you sit down at a 6max cash game you'll simply be either Player 1 or Player 2 or Player 5, etc, there are no avatars and no screen names possible. The same goes for MTT's where you might simply be at a table with player 57 and players 98, etc. Once you leave a table you can rejoin it later but not until 5 minutes have passed. To further not identify yourself to others simply never type anything in the chat box. Also if you're going to rejoin the same table in a few minutes make sure you buy in with a different amount than last time. So on Bovada, as long as you don't chat, the players are all ghosts. P.S. you can also just shut off chat in the preferences and never have to deal with it at all. GL
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08-09-2013 , 12:01 AM
Rainbow Warrior - Thank you mucho
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08-09-2013 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropics
So if you sit down at a 6max cash game you'll simply be either Player 1 or Player 2 or Player 5, etc, there are no avatars and no screen names possible. The same goes for MTT's where you might simply be at a table with player 57 and players 98, etc. Once you leave a table you can rejoin it later but not until 5 minutes have passed. To further not identify yourself to others simply never type anything in the chat box. Also if you're going to rejoin the same table in a few minutes make sure you buy in with a different amount than last time. So on Bovada, as long as you don't chat, the players are all ghosts. P.S. you can also just shut off chat in the preferences and never have to deal with it at all. GL
Also with anonymous tables you never really get to know who's winning tournaments. It could be a company 'player' or a bot or a hacker... they're just a random number each time, so you'll never know if it's the same player winning every mt. Just saying. Anonymous opens many doors to cheating. That's one of the reasons I don't play Bovada.
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08-09-2013 , 02:51 PM
Winning Poker Network.. (ACR, BCP and True) Hands down the best place to play for US players. For todays games there is plenty of traffic. SUPER fast withdrawals and the software upgrade is awesome.
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08-09-2013 , 10:49 PM
Other than CarbonPoker, Aced and PokerHost, what other Merge skin(s) are worth checking out?

I ended up making an account on PlayersOnly. Is this a pretty trustworthy site?

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08-10-2013 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropics
So if you sit down at a 6max cash game you'll simply be either Player 1 or Player 2 or Player 5, etc, there are no avatars and no screen names possible. The same goes for MTT's where you might simply be at a table with player 57 and players 98, etc. Once you leave a table you can rejoin it later but not until 5 minutes have passed. To further not identify yourself to others simply never type anything in the chat box. Also if you're going to rejoin the same table in a few minutes make sure you buy in with a different amount than last time. So on Bovada, as long as you don't chat, the players are all ghosts. P.S. you can also just shut off chat in the preferences and never have to deal with it at all. GL
Personally I see a lot of positive things here and the most valuable is that all HUDs, hand history databases and all other software is useless. So you play "pure poker" and all players have equal chances.

If you play better - you'll succeed and you don't need to ask any software for a help.

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08-10-2013 , 10:59 AM
If the last update for this thread is in April then maybe the post should not be stickied anymore?
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08-10-2013 , 11:09 AM
How do you guys play on bovada if you're not living in Nevada?

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08-10-2013 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by overun
How do you guys play on bovada if you're not living in Nevada?
Going by the first post in this thread, Bovada is legal in most states, except from MD, NY, UT, WA.
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08-10-2013 , 12:38 PM
Not what you want to hear, overun, but as a NY state player I just now reactivated my Bovada account that had been suspended for 18 months of inactivity. :/

Are the other sites bad for you too? Seems MD can play on Merge and Winning.
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08-10-2013 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by McCrea
Not what you want to hear, overun, but as a NY state player I just now reactivated my Bovada account that had been suspended for 18 months of inactivity. :/

Are the other sites bad for you too? Seems MD can play on Merge and Winning.
What does that mean? They allow you to play there now?

Yeah I currently play on Intertops but the games are sometimes lacking so I would like more games to select from

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08-10-2013 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mightytiny
If the last update for this thread is in April then maybe the post should not be stickied anymore?
How does the date of the last update have any impact on whether it should be stickied?

If anyone has any suggestions for significant changes to the OP, let us know.
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08-10-2013 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mv88
Winning Poker Network.. (ACR, BCP and True) Hands down the best place to play for US players. For todays games there is plenty of traffic. SUPER fast withdrawals and the software upgrade is awesome.
Complete nonsense. Traffic is often godawful, forget about SNG's, their MTT schedule sucks balls, and that software upgrade has become a big joke on a lot of these forums. Terrible site, stick with Bovada and PokerHost (the best Merge skin, for Carbon). "Hands down" he says, what a joke.
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08-10-2013 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vegasdanes
Also with anonymous tables you never really get to know who's winning tournaments. It could be a company 'player' or a bot or a hacker... they're just a random number each time, so you'll never know if it's the same player winning every mt. Just saying. Anonymous opens many doors to cheating. That's one of the reasons I don't play Bovada.
Not very logical. Suppose I was the president of what you consider to be a reputable online poker site. Say I wanted to cheat players by winning far too many tournaments without them catching on to it. Also our players will have screen names that can be tracked so you feel safe and uncheated. What would stop us from creating say, 25 new accounts per month, each with his own screen name? Then we use one of those to win a big tourney and pocket the money, the next time we use a different one. To keep things looking legit we have one of our earlier winners take 4th or 3rd for some decent winnings a little later in the year. Meanwhile we still have new accounts popping up every month. Throughout the year many of these accounts cash for between 5-15 times the buy-in (we're cheating of course). They look to anyone like simply solid players and not super-users. If I had them play 30 tourneys, he wouldn't cash in 24 of them, then he'd have some middle sized cashes in 5 of them before winning a big one (or just taking second place). No one would catch us.
You see, any site cheating today isn't going to be so stupid as the cheaters of old. They're not going to win everytime or make the right fold every time or only go to showdown with the winning hand. They're going to mix it up to have wins and loses, but at the end of the year they're going to be a very respectable winner. Do that with several accounts and there's no way you can track it, prove it, or stop it, and they wind up making very good money. Not all the money, but very good money. So just suck it up and come play on Bovada, you're no safer anywhere else.
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08-10-2013 , 08:58 PM
lol ^

that's a poor straw man, even for you.
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08-10-2013 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
lol ^

that's a poor straw man, even for you.
Hey BigBad, why don't you go back to making terrible Omaha8 and LHE videos with Danzasmack and STFU already? If you can't see how that scenario is painfully simple to pull off them you're just a hack who will do/say anything to get people signed up through your affiliate business. You keep trying to paint the poker world as full of good and honest people who aren't out to rape you. You might fool some people on here but you won't fool me.
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08-10-2013 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tropics
Hey BigBad, why don't you go back to making terrible Omaha8 and LHE videos with Danzasmack and STFU already? If you can't see how that scenario is painfully simple to pull off them you're just a hack who will do/say anything to get people signed up through your affiliate business. You keep trying to paint the poker world as full of good and honest people who aren't out to rape you. You might fool some people on here but you won't fool me.
Why must so many of your posts be so confrontational and negative?

Clearly one of the downsides of anonymous tables is that it is easier for other players, or even a site, to cheat players without them knowing. That doesn't mean it's not a risk at other sites, of course, and I'm not for a minute suggesting that I believe that Bovada is cheating anyone. But there's no question that players are required to put a higher level of trust in Bovada than other sites that they are running a clean operation, and that they're doing a good job at catching cheaters.

Of course, there are also benefits to the way Bovada is aiming for recreational players with measures like this. Everyone has to weigh the positives against the negatives, for every US-facing site, and decide what suits them best.
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08-10-2013 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tropics
Hey BigBad, why don't you go back to making terrible Omaha8 and LHE videos with Danzasmack and STFU already? If you can't see how that scenario is painfully simple to pull off them you're just a hack who will do/say anything to get people signed up through your affiliate business. You keep trying to paint the poker world as full of good and honest people who aren't out to rape you. You might fool some people on here but you won't fool me.
why did you list a bunch of stuff that doesn't have to do with what we were previously talking about? surely you intend to have an honest, emotion-free debate?

the reason your argument is a straw man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

is that your refutation of 'bovada is unsafe. the anonymous tables make for a very cheating-friendly environment' was 'well other sites could cheat you too in this scenario i just made up, therefore all sites are equally unsafe.' that's just silly and bad logic. one thing currently exists already and therefore is more important than hypothetical things. in fact, i don't tend to think everything is as rosy as you say i do, which is why i'm not comfy playing on a site with anonymous tables.

i've don't think we know each other, and i don't bear you any ill will. why do you take everything as a personal attack? all the sites have their plusses and minuses.

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08-10-2013 , 09:20 PM
I bet the two of you are the kind of guy that would let a guy in a bar hit on your girlfriend right in front of you, and then allow him to slap you in the face in front of your friends, and then you'd say something like, "Hey buddy, can't we just talk this out? There's no reason we can't work this out nicely." Go fly a kite. I'm right and stand by my beliefs, you're wrong and are "debatable" on every thing. Pansy.
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08-10-2013 , 09:36 PM
Is it true Md can now play on wpn

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08-10-2013 , 10:46 PM
I live in Louisiana so my options appear to be Bovada + PPN + Revolution + WPN

Can you tell me which you would deposit/play on and why?
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08-11-2013 , 03:27 AM
Depends a lot on what your primary game of choice is; cash, tournaments, sngs, etc.

The Revolution network is only worth depositing if you are able to play on Intertops. If you do not have an Intertops invite stay far far away from this network as every other room is a sinking ship. Intertops is decent for cash games but that is about it. Also fast cash outs.

Bovada is a great network with lots of juicy action as long as you don't mind playing max 4 tables at a time. But they do have a pretty great tournament schedule along with fast cash outs.

I don't know really anything about the PPN network

The Winning Poker Networks player pool has seemed to have risen as of recent. I believe this is party because they just incorporated new software and other sites such has Lock and Juicy have been in a complete downward spiral forcing their player pool to look for action elsewhere. That said, I don't believe WPN is that great of a room for micro/smaller stake players. Few sng's run, most tournaments have smaller playing fields and the cash games are raked very heavily for the bad beat jackpot and the beast.

One network I noticed you didn't mention and that is Merge. I don't know if Louisiana's state laws plays any role in this as I am from California. But the merge network is a pretty great network, especially the room Poker Host. Very fast cash outs with probably the best tournament schedule, decent sng volume and a good amount of cash games.

Hope this helps you with your decision and good luck at the tables.
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