Any Washington state players? I know wa has harsh laws...any rebels? Chances of getting prosecuted as a player?

Yes, there are people that play online poker in WA state. To date, no one has ever been prosecuted for playing online poker in WA, or anywhere else in the USA.

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Kahn

I'm guessing bet online but was wondering if anyone thought different and why?

THIS THIS THIS

Bovado- anonymous, NO RAKEBACK......NO THANKS..one thing I would miss is the easier competition but I'm not giving up RAKEBACK for that...

Different strokes for different folks.

Some people love the anonymous tables because they can then play near complete nemesis strategies against the fish instead of GTO'ing it up all day vs regs. I play both ways, but not everyone cares to, or can.

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Kahn

I've played on Bovada for quite some time and I had enjoyed the way the software ran and the anonymity since I don't use third party software as an aid to my play. Cashing out by check was cheap and simple too.

However, their latest update is what brings me to this thread. It was a horrible idea and totally unnecessary and they took something that was running quite fine and made it absolutely unplayable for me with all the fubars that came with it.

From my experience with software changes, those who come up with the bright ideas tend to marry those ideas and hardly ever back off no matter how crappy it turned out. I'm not too optimistic that they will reverse course so I'd like to start searching for a new site to play on and hopefully be up and going by the end of the weekend.

So you agree the competition is easier at bovada, but you would still send someone who doesn't know what rakeback is, or enough to ask about it over to your rakeback site and play aginst huds and regs?

More importantly the rakeback is worth about 2 bb/100. You're telling me your win rate is higher with RB than it would be on Bovada? I'm pretty sure the delta between win rates on WPN and Bovada is a hell of a lot higher than 2 bb/100.

He doesn't care about net $. He wants RAKEBACK.

Disregarding whether or not the analysis that this conversation is based on is correct or not, I'd like to comment on your observation.

Some people indeed do not care about net $ and focus instead on rakeback only. There are a couple reasons for this:

1) ignorance/they don't know any better

2) some people want poker to resemble a steady paycheck as much as possible. "Rakeback Grinding" as it has come to be known provides a steadier income for some player types (typically guys with fast twitch gaming backgrounds who can bang out tons of hands in a break-even manner).

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Kahn

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Can someone help with our question please... I'm trying to do the right thing and wait for an answer here instead of making a new post. I just requested a withdrawal of all my funds on Bovada tonight and I need a new place to play.

Something MAC Friendly, w/ soft tables and reliable payouts

Yeah, after wasting an entry fee on a SNG a little bit ago and seeing absolutely zero improvement from yesterday's play, I believe I am done there now too. I'm glad I withdrew a big chunk of my bankroll last week because I would guess with all the current discontent it could generate at least a small run on it right now possibly bogging the process down.

I want to play online poker this weekend and am not interested in blowing the time sitting around hoping and waiting to see if Bovada fixes all the new problems in a timely manner, if they do it at all. Time to get the ball rolling. Some of these other US sites have to be licking their chops.

Right!!

What an epic fail. Even if they do turn it around. They will lose big money this weekend. I guarantee it was some new guy. Promoted to a new position and wanted to make changes. If it isn't broke don't fix it!!!

Anyways,

I'm considering CarbonPoker, BetOnline, and America's Cardroom. Have you heard any good things about those sites. I'd like a buttery smooth interface (like bovada had weeks ago) and I also would like reliable payouts and soft tables.

I actually emailed bovada customer service after i withdrew to once again voice my frustration, tell them I'm leaving, and I told them to email me back once the problem is resolved and maybe I'll come back once they offer a decent bonus for my inconvenience.

imo BOL biggest problem is the software. So sick cause I opened up a Bovada account to move action and now Bovadas software is aids.

edit: and i jus cleared the bonus ffs. Bovada plz

I have like 700 on BOL but really only sportbet there now. I guess I'll open n ACR account but uggg its pretty uggg atm. I think they are the only rakeback site??

I'm thinking of just playing live until it all gets figured out if ever.

I need help finding a new site and figure some here might be able to give me some tips.

I've played a lot of online poker but very limited with the number of sites. I played on Pacific Poker many years ago, then after the US players had to leave I played on Full Tilt until Black Friday and then on Bovada most recently. I think I've narrowed it down to BetOnline and WPN from some of what I read in this thread and due to the US State I live in but am open to others. I live in Missouri.

I don't use any outside programs to assist my poker play and I usually never play more than 2 tables at a time.

Things I am looking for in a site:

- rake back would be nice but its not mandatory
- micro and low limit cash tables with no more than 5% rake. Sit and Go's with no more than a 10% entrance fee added to the total amount that goes into the prize pool.
- a decent population of loose players
- a decent amount of players period where I can find games at any time of the day, night, week
- easy, fast and reliable withdrawal and deposit with as little fees as possible.
-I'd prefer not having to send in personal ID information like a copy of my driver's license. So far I haven't had to do that with any of the three sites I have played on.
- a client that runs smoothly and without glitches that adversely affect your intended decisions
- a turn timer limited to no more than 30 seconds.

TIA to any who wouldn't mind responding to this post.

Thanks, so BOL is out. Guess that leaves ACR and Carbon Poker. I heard Carbon Pokers software is phenomenal. I assume both those sites have tougher players but I only play 5NL so how tough could it be.

I really liked the anonymous tables at bovada too so I'm hurt to hear about BOL

I wish I could help you in finding a site. Bovada had a lot of things I liked but its just unplayable and that's an understatement. I've only played on three sites in the past decade or more of my playing, Pacific, Full Tilt and Bovada. I dabbled with Party Poker a little but their layout turned me off.

I guess I have some work to do, asking in forums and checking out blogs and other sites that inform and rate the sites available to US players just like I had to do when I last picked Bovada to deposit on.

As stated, BoL software is terrible. I deposited there a few weeks ago and withdrew within 10 days. That's how bad it is.

Carbon and WPN both have good software. Carbon games are softer. Carbon cashouts suck. Expect to wait 1-4 months for a $2.5k check. WPN cashouts are great.

Carbon has no decent promotions besides sports free bet reload bonuses. WPN has great promos including rakeback(27%) plus deposit bonuses. I think it comes out to roughly 40% rakeback with a deposit bonus.

Be aware that the games on WPN, even at 5nl are way harder than any other site. It plays similar to Pokerstars. Tough games, great promos, great cashouts. If you want to sit tables with 4 fish that is not the site for you.

What are some of the things you dislike with BOL's software and play if you don't mind me asking?

Cash game player (mainly plo but play 50nl if im feeling holdemy)

the site goes down at rando times
if you get disconnected and no one bets, ie check check check your hand is folded
black jack tables on all cash games (goes away if you multitable like 6 tables)
the bet slider is lol
replayer is also lol

I mean, the games are good, they really are, its just you have to also deal with that bull**** too.
And I really like the bitcoin option.

Ive played some of the tournys but its more of I was bored, so the sng's...well its not stars is all I'll say about that.
And the traffic isnt that great so no great tournys if your into that.

I also play on seals and I like it a lot, issue is player pool super small.

Thanks for that bit of info. At least for me some of it sounds good for WPN and some bad. Carbon is a definite no go for me. Being able to access my own money in a timely manner is a top priority when it comes to a poker site. After what happened with Full Tilt, I will never trust a site that has any issues paying people their money in a timely manner.

I dont want to sound like a whiner as when we could gloriously play on stars I was in the software improvement thread and giving system specs and reports to help them make better software. I havent seen that type of ******CARE**** (sorry spirngz lol) in any of these USA post bf sites.

I dont think my previous post states how often disconnects happen....like playing 4 tables getting disconnected at 3 and like wtf. Its frustrating.

If you want reliable cashouts on a site that is not Bovada your only option is WPN. It's a great site, but like I said reg heavy.

This thread is a great place to ask those questions, but if you're in a huge hurry to find somewhere new, there's lots of threads you could be browsing while you wait, and you might find a lot of the answers yourself. There are Merge discussion and cashout threads, a BOL thread, and an entire forum for Winning Poker Network (ACR).

by wpn, you mean Americas Card Room?

Also, Carbon Poker Cashouts....

I like to cash out by putting the cash on the credit card I used to make the initial deposit. Does WPN and Carbon Poker offer that and will that speed up the process like it did with Bovada.

Also,

Are the table anonymous or does it allow poker tracking. I see that Carbon Poker has an odds calculator which I don't care too much for. I feel like if those players don't know how to calculate odds, its their loss