This is part of a longterm project, but it's a few months away still.

But we run into problems where we're rewarding players for being good. They already get rewarded, as they win money.

I can see how a SNG bounty might work for us, as you can't see who is in which games. We could stream it and have the bounty play a few tables at once. But I don't know if that'll actually grow traffic much. It'd be fun as part of the normal streaming stuff though.

I don't think that badges or achievements do anything at the moment really, which is a shame as I designed them. I don't think it works to have Challenges, Achievements and Missions, particularly alongside other promos. It's too complicated.

I think this rewards good players too much. I also think that 100 SNG is a lot for most people - if someone's playing on the iPad and one tabling, that's a lot of leisure time just to complete one set. This would be more of a grinder's promo.

I've said twice now that if there were any ticket exchange requests that I'd missed, please let me know. You don't need to panic.

But I don't exchange tickets that have already been partially played through.

How do they work?

That rewards the best players at the expense of the weakest though.

Thanks. I don't have an easy way to see how many tickets everyone has. I mean, it's doable, but it's a lot of work in Excel and the gain is pretty small. I don't think this is a big deal at the moment, but if it becomes bigger than we'll have to figure it out.

Yes, but that's the last time. The bonus has already been very extended.

Sorry, I don't exchange tickets from one satellite system (the €90 SE) to tickets for another system.

It'll be interesting to see how well this is received when a wider audience is aware of it. When I know 100% that it'll make it in in time, we'll inform people.

I think that even without any effort to stop this, we wouldn't have as bad a ratio as other sites, because none of them are trying to stop it themselves, and our basic strategy will still go to work for us.

On Chico? Do all the sites on that network have the same thing?

I exchange €20 of tickets to 2x €10 MTT tickets, they will work in PLO tournaments too. I'm afraid I can't exchange tickets that have already been partially played through though.

Thanks. We don't have player tagging because we think it helps good players beat weak players faster, and we want to keep those weaker players alive for as long as we can.

Good idea, I'll pass it on. We were talking about having it default to player's "usual game" but that's a bit opaque to players, this is easier to understand and easier for us to define.

This obviously comes up quite often. The reason behind it is as loosefoot says - a lot of players, particularly weaker players, become uncomfortable when they have too much money in play at once.

The solution we came up with last time was to allow ratholing > 100bb, but not < 100bb. I think this solves all of the problems while keeping most of the benefit. This isn't built yet obviously, but I definitely want it.

Do you get this every time?

Thanks, I've passed this on to Robin, should be fixed now.

This should be fixed quite soon but I don't have an exact ETA yet.

Hm, I don't think I understand. We pay the streamers to stream, and the schedule is down to us rather than down to Twitch. I think the CS agent was confused, if that's what they said.

Although we decide the schedule, it has to be on days that Sam is able to stream. That's why the schedule has changed a bit lately.

I think that calling it propaganda is a bit much. It's possible to table select, it's just much much harder than on other sites. We can't stop it entirely.

I preferred 100bb minimum too, and I argued for that before we launched, back before I had the final say. But it's too late now - people are used to 50bb and the entire rewards structure (like how cash game tickets work) is based on the idea that there's a 50bb minimum.

It's more of a problem in PLO because there're bigger advantages to playing short.

Cool, thanks for the effort. But I think this has the same problem as some of the other suggestions - it rewards good players more than the average player, and good players are already rewarded by winning money.

We'll still have Challenges and Missions, it's just that most of the payouts for Challenges in particular will be in bonus money instead of tickets. We'll still award some tickets (which I would no longer exchange) because we want to encourage more play in specific games. I'd still exchange tickets won via satellites though.

It seems like a couple of people have figured out how, and I haven't decided how I feel about that yet.

Yes, this is part of the longterm project. The minimum table resolution is 640x480 which doesn't work very well on 1366x768, the most popular PC resolution. I wasn't at Unibet when we made that decision so I don't know if they considered the problem there.

Thanks, I'll pass these on to David, the poker promotions manager.

This is part of the longterm project that I sometimes talk about. I think it's useful for explaining the client to new players, which is very important.

I started playing Hearthstone a couple of years ago purely because I wanted to see if we should copy their chat system. But people just use it to troll each other, which is the reason we don't have regular chat anyway.

You can just add more identities and the eldest of your existing ones are moved into quarantine instead.

Hm, I don't understand.

Pretty much the earliest we can get the full bonus shop would be Jan '17 and that's already cutting it close.

I'm on 25 unread PMs at the moment. I'm not going to get to them until I'm up to date on this thread.

Good point, if I'd been in all week I'd have done a competition but let's wait until Monday now.

I don't have an opinion on this yet, I need to think about it for a while. My instinct is to say that I don't want it because it's making changes to the client that aren't available to everyone, but on the other hand I don't think it does any harm.

Nice try.

Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to. What do you want to exchange? It doesn't matter if the tickets have expired recently, I'll still exchange them.

Are you saying that we should rig the site? The reason we don't do that is that a) it's illegal, b) it's immoral, c) it doesn't make us any money because we'd risk getting shut down, and d) it isn't poker any more. We're a poker site.

I sent it to the email address registered to your account.

But I think people would just use this to troll each other too. I think the ideal solution is just no chat/similar interaction within the client.

All done.

i am reading about sng promotions to much "reward best players " "reward grinders" , but lets think about last month promotions : omaha outlow - only best grinders were rewarded in those leaderboards , mtt ko leaderboard : only the mtt grinders were rewarded in this promo.

The only easy step to play a freeroll was on sng scrap.

so...

what is the difference between thos sng grinders and those cash games grinders? i think in cash games you may loose your bankroll faster than in any sng games.if in sng you may have a ton of luck and be in the money , on cash games you may loose all the money in one hand

Hey,

I'm only one who gets this when trying to log in ?



EDIT: It's something related to my country, will be fixed. nvm

hi Andrew.
I think you missed my post:

Andrew I wasn't referring to a rush in implementing the bonus shop. I was talking about altering feasible rake back levels.

It's the same for me. Are there any ways to fix this ? I cannot log in even if I click "yes" (it's the same for the client or the website).

last time I had that message, it did log in after clicked "No" :S

with this quote "Are you saying that we should rig the site? The reason we don't do that is that a) it's illegal, b) it's immoral, c) it doesn't make us any money because we'd risk getting shut down, and d) it isn't poker any more. We're a poker site." are you saying that Unibet is not using an algorithm to have an equilibrum between advanced players and begginers? how are you explaining the millions situations where low cards are tripled in a way where even the einstein would be ashamed?

What i have seen today i never believed that i will ever see in a poker room ever in my life.I do have my doubts regarding your fairness in this poker room.

There's a difference between the biggest winners and the biggest grinders. Winners win, grinders put in lots of volume. Because the benefits of liquidity aren't linear, there're plenty of times that we want to encourage volume. That doesn't harm ecology because of the network effects of greater liquidity.

What're your aliases?

I don't think we can reduce this by much without giving players a lot of notice. Maybe we can do something for Q4 now, but Q3 is probably too soon. People are already earning playthrough bonuses that will last them into Q3, which they'll do under the assumption that they'll get xyz from Challenges.

Maybe it's worth doing for Q4 though. We'll discuss it internally.

Done.

Aha, sorry. Done.

Same here. I can't login to unibet site too. I also think that it's because of government restricting gambling, but would like to get approval from unibet. I hope everything will be fine later. Alias Mindaugas00.

I played 10€ UO tourney, had pretty wealthy stack and only 1 played left to receive 50€ ticket. I hope I wasn't blinded out

Why not make a SNG-promo like the milestone-promo.

A base prize per stake with multipliers for winrate and games played.

Or a player predefines his winrate and games played, if he does, he gets the prize. If not, he gets no prize.

I'm not familiar with it beyond the fact it exists.

Of course if its on a network then the benefits would mainly flow to the other skins on the network, depending on how the network runs its rake sharing model (one network supposedly tracks money round the system and remembers who originally deposited it).

I am one of the people who have a modified deck. If you remember I have been one of the old people droning on about the default cards being hard to read and this has helped me see the cards better. It would be ideal if the software offered a choice of deck as some other sites do, but in the meantime this is a good correction of what many perceive as a "fault" with the poker room.

I think if you allow people to swap the graphics file then it will be made available free to everyone - I think its only going PM at the moment because there isn't clarity over which way you want to go on it - but I didn't know or pay the person who let me have it. If he doesn't want to make it available then someone else would create one that was available to everyone so hopefully that aspect shouldn't be an issue.

Also, in my opinion as a (former) programmer, a graphics file isn't part of "software" so I think you can do this without compromising your no 3rd party software policy.

Foiled again. Of course you've been on 2p2 long enough to know that the phrase "good for the poker economy" means "good for me personally".

Thanks for the replies again Andrew.

When you tile 4 tables for example they tile into a square but the square is aligned to the left of the screen not the centre. Please enjoy the following crude paint image to explain what I mean



Window on the left is how it works now, window on the right is how it would be in an ideal world

The ipoker jackpot sngs have a extra entry fee, much like normal jackpot cash tables. They had a $2 that cost $2.40, a $5 that was i think $6 to enter. The extra rake was used to provide a pool for the first person to win 5 consecutive ones. They also had/have higher buy in ones but i dont know if you would have the liquidity for these.
It is not always the better players who win these, and with your site allowing screen name changes it would provide a carrot for the normal guy to aim for i think.

this is not an ordinary poker room , it has been told so many times you cant make something that you know everybody will collude. Ipoker shut down jackpot sng because of that .It is perfect as it is in this moment with only 2 sections of sng : hu and 5 max.

if it will be as it is on 888 poker will be chaos. they have so many types of sng and they simply dont run as it should be. thx god someone on unibet was thinking on this aspect and has build only 2 types of sng

Hey, just seen this. Yes, we definitely do have mutual friends. You're daishi.exe right? I vaguely remember seeing you online and playing a few games with you near the tail end of your SC lifespan and near the beginning of mine. I spoke with Eerik, pr0n.ee, Def-The-Feared a lot around that point, all of whom I'm sure you know

Nice to see a website give fair notice before altering the VIP program.
Q4 seems fair to me.

As for a SNG promo I really think it would be cool if it wasn't judged on really any skill or mass volume.

How about it broken down to a 20 block period and points are given out for hitting good hands.

Flopping trips is worth x points
Hitting a str8 flush worth x points
KOing 2 people in the same hand worth x points
Comeback from half the starting chips.
And other cool hands/accomplishments as well.

This would allow anyone a fair chance to win while giving grinders a bigger chance based on percentage of tries.

I've raised it with our internal service desk, but I don't know much about what's happening yet. Unibet are investigating. I recommend that you mail support and ask for a refund from the UO tourney.

I was thinking of this for the millionth tournament, though now we're on 3.3m or so. I think it might be workable, but it'd require a lot of development which makes it unlikely in the medium term.

Hm, I'm not sure how this would work.

Yeh, that's why I enquired. It only works if the whole network has it, otherwise you're just giving money to the other sites on the network. That's one of the big problems with that model of online poker.

iPoker and MPN both have systems to allocate rake to sites on the network based on whether players win or lose, as well as how much they rake. I don't know how effective they are, but it looked pretty decent when I was at Ladbrokes.

Aha, got you. Yeh, that makes sense, thanks.

Ah, got you, like bad beat jackpots.

It's not ALWAYS, but the better players have much better odds. Their EV per game of this is significantly higher than that of a weak player.

Yeh, this is important - we need to be very careful about splitting liquidity. We don't do as much micromanagement of liquidity as we used to because we're big enough for it to be less of a problem, but I think this is often overlooked.

Yeh. God, I hate those old names (.exe was the clan though). I talk to Eerik a lot as I lived in Estonia for a year when I played cards last, and in fact I was there two weeks ago on holiday. Maybe this was too far before your time, but coincidentally I had dinner with [9]Everlast a couple of days ago.

Yeh, I much prefer this kind of approach because everyone's EV per block is the same. Grinders can work more to reduce their variance, but it doesn't reward winners.

On SNG promos - I think the trouble with one that rewards ROI over the month is that if someone runs really well for the first 100 tournaments or whatever the minimum is, they are actually disincentivised to keep playing.

Also one that lets you restart and have goes at more blocks of 100 or 50 or whatever would send value to people who were going to play those tournaments anyway.

Probably best to just do it over the first 100 - and do it on a points basis, so someone who has played 40 so far is encouraged to another 10 and move up the leaderboard. Not sure how it should work with different stake levels though - maybe there should be separate leaderboards - if so then 100 per leaderboard is too many.

I've seen the screen name before, but yeah never interacted with [9]Everlast. Eerik used to berate me a lot when I first came onto the scene but eventually gained his respect when I started beating him more than he beat me haha. Not spoke to those guys in years but still have Eerik and pr0n as Facebook friends.

You're doing a good job with Unibet and the support in this thread etc btw, so thanks for that. I'm one of those guys who quit Stars due to rakeback changes and ever tougher games squeezing me into smaller and smaller winrates. Although I miss the software and how convenient it was to just sit down at 8 zoom tables with 0 waiting time, I don't miss much else about it. Certainly not since the Amaya takeover anyway.

I didn't even make a deposit at Unibet, just started with the free 14.5 euro NL4 ticket and am now easily rolled for NL200 lol. Not quite like the old days, but def like the direction with keeping the recs happy and aiming more bonuses towards them

I tried to login which was unsuccesful so I contacted support and this is what I've been told "We are expirence a general technical issue with accounts from Lithuania." Im not sure what is the situation with my poker tickets but hopefully this will be fixed until they expire

Hey Andrew I just got the email. I was wondering if I could get one with all my cash game results cause the email only has mtt and sng results

Alias = Cleanoutkid

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why you dont send e-mail to support and you get that in the same day?

I didn't know I can do that, ima get on that just now tho

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Ignore my previous posts, my phone never showed me the Cash game report spreadsheet for some reason but I opened it up on my computer and I see it now

Sorry about that