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11-27-2015
, 02:23 AM
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Hello Andrew
I am getting abit worried for the near future of the site. Everysince pokerstars release of the reduced rakeback next year the games on unibet got alot worse. Before i made this post I talked to some people that play on my stakes 10-50nl and they came to the same conclusion. I even have a few distant friends that are supernova that are testing out unibet atm because rakeback seems better.
Are you going to reduce rakeback(i support this since i poker should be about making money pre rakeback not encouraging rakebackgrinders to switch sites to unibet) when you notice games are getting alot worse ? A trend that myself and some friends are seeing is that the weekends are alot mor reggish than during weekdays. I know it sounds like alot of thinfoilhat thingys but i am seeing this trend evolving for some months now.
Greetz Hatebreedd
a worried pokerplayer
I am getting abit worried for the near future of the site. Everysince pokerstars release of the reduced rakeback next year the games on unibet got alot worse. Before i made this post I talked to some people that play on my stakes 10-50nl and they came to the same conclusion. I even have a few distant friends that are supernova that are testing out unibet atm because rakeback seems better.
Are you going to reduce rakeback(i support this since i poker should be about making money pre rakeback not encouraging rakebackgrinders to switch sites to unibet) when you notice games are getting alot worse ? A trend that myself and some friends are seeing is that the weekends are alot mor reggish than during weekdays. I know it sounds like alot of thinfoilhat thingys but i am seeing this trend evolving for some months now.
Greetz Hatebreedd
a worried pokerplayer
11-27-2015
, 04:07 AM
11-27-2015
, 07:00 AM
Here's a reminder - http://www.twitch.tv/unibetpoker is starting from 1445 CET today.
Also, when you ask for a ticket change, please include your alias rather than your username. Including your username is potentially a security problem for you as people might go around collecting them then guessing passwords. The alias is what you're known as on the tables. It doesn't have to be your active alias, just one that's still alive on your account.
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Thanks, I'll have a look later today & talk to Robin about it (who is looking after the schedule).
Sorry, I don't convert UO tickets to non-UO.
Thanks, and 5SNG are 5% rake, 2SNG are 3%. 2SNG are also 1k chips rather than 2k.
Is this if you're playing all the time the client is open? Does it happen after a similar amount of time each time?
I'll ask fraud to take another look.
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They keep updating their program to allow people to cheat on our site, and we keep updating our site to break it. There're always windows here and there where it works though.
I should mention that I've asked them twice to stop supporting our site. Most recent attempt on Monday when we released our update, no reply.
Account sharing is theoretically detectable, even if it's from the same location.
Now I'm annoyed that I couldn't go 
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Sure, what's your alias?
Looks like it's up to me, €1,000 MONDAY BETTING FREEROLL Mon 7pm? No idea why it's all in caps though.
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The reason the site is doing well at the moment isn't down to an influx of super high rakers, I don't think this is having a big impact at the moment. I also think that confirmation bias causes people to always think the games are getting worse. It's not to say that the games aren't getting worse, but it IS to say that it's too soon to tell. I'd need a lot of data to be able to tell that from my side, and I can see every hand at every stake.
Over the 21 months or so that we've been live, I think the games have got worse in a few places. That's why we've added table caps, have gone away from pure rake-races, etc. But it takes a long time to see these changes.
A big example of us looking at this is the Moving On Up promo - it's overly valuable for low stake and low volume players, and that's on purpose. We're injecting a lot of money into NL25 and under, which makes those games softer. Ultimately it'll make bigger games softer too, as people who "shouldn't" move up. This is an ecology and retention promo over anything else.
In the long term, I definitely want to decrease the top end rb% equivalent in Challenges. I'd like to pay out more to losing players instead of high rakers. If we cut the top end by (say) 25% relative to what it is now, we'd spend that money on losing players instead. But that's going to be long-term, not next quarter or anything.
To some extent you can see this philosophy already, with Super Double Trouble. Right now we spend a significant proportion of our gross revenue on promos for players who lost, I don't think any other site does this.
This is also part of the reason why we made it easier to play these events - we mail qualified players, we allow tickets to be credited upon login at any point the following week, and we extended expiry.
I'd like to make some promos that aim more at players who lose, but it's quite a fine line. Having a promo that says "are you crap at poker? this promo is for you!" isn't much of a sales pitch. Double Trouble works because good players have losing weeks too, so it compensates for their bad luck, which helps them feel better as well.
So it'll take us a while to come up with good ideas there, if anyone has any promo suggestions feel free to post.
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There's definitely a balance that we need to find. I want to reward high volume players because we need them. But I also want to reward losing players because we need them too.
And yes, you're getting to the heart of a lot of what we wanted to do. We wanted simple games that people could easily get into, and we wanted a fun loyalty scheme that made people want to play just a little bit more. I think that both are big sources of churn.
Sure, what's your alias?
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Whoops, fixed.
Also, when you ask for a ticket change, please include your alias rather than your username. Including your username is potentially a security problem for you as people might go around collecting them then guessing passwords. The alias is what you're known as on the tables. It doesn't have to be your active alias, just one that's still alive on your account.
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If you guys have any suggestions regarding MTT's please post in the new Unibet MTT thread which I started.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1573306/
It will also serve for a spot for players to discuss meeting up at the various UO events.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1573306/
It will also serve for a spot for players to discuss meeting up at the various UO events.
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Had another good day yesterday but im mentally drained today. Why i cant understand how this ic**** guy plays 12 hrs a day EVERY DAY or somethin. U have to be quite sharp or u will lose. U can have all the work ethic in the world, u can only have so much mental energy. Last time ill mention this if nobody cares or so and so.
I should mention that I've asked them twice to stop supporting our site. Most recent attempt on Monday when we released our update, no reply.
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I am getting abit worried for the near future of the site. Everysince pokerstars release of the reduced rakeback next year the games on unibet got alot worse. Before i made this post I talked to some people that play on my stakes 10-50nl and they came to the same conclusion. I even have a few distant friends that are supernova that are testing out unibet atm because rakeback seems better.
Over the 21 months or so that we've been live, I think the games have got worse in a few places. That's why we've added table caps, have gone away from pure rake-races, etc. But it takes a long time to see these changes.
A big example of us looking at this is the Moving On Up promo - it's overly valuable for low stake and low volume players, and that's on purpose. We're injecting a lot of money into NL25 and under, which makes those games softer. Ultimately it'll make bigger games softer too, as people who "shouldn't" move up. This is an ecology and retention promo over anything else.
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Are you going to reduce rakeback(i support this since i poker should be about making money pre rakeback not encouraging rakebackgrinders to switch sites to unibet) when you notice games are getting alot worse ? A trend that myself and some friends are seeing is that the weekends are alot mor reggish than during weekdays. I know it sounds like alot of thinfoilhat thingys but i am seeing this trend evolving for some months now.
To some extent you can see this philosophy already, with Super Double Trouble. Right now we spend a significant proportion of our gross revenue on promos for players who lost, I don't think any other site does this.
This is also part of the reason why we made it easier to play these events - we mail qualified players, we allow tickets to be credited upon login at any point the following week, and we extended expiry.
I'd like to make some promos that aim more at players who lose, but it's quite a fine line. Having a promo that says "are you crap at poker? this promo is for you!" isn't much of a sales pitch. Double Trouble works because good players have losing weeks too, so it compensates for their bad luck, which helps them feel better as well.
So it'll take us a while to come up with good ideas there, if anyone has any promo suggestions feel free to post.
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I really disagree with this. I think a cardroom should take a good distance on who is winning and who is not and just leave this to the players and the game itself (as long nobody is cheating ofc).
I think what Unibet did with his cardroom really nailed it. It seems like a social fb game with a lot of fun, achievements, challenges, leaderboards etc. Game is simple (pools arent segregated into cap NLHE, 50bb NLHE, 100bb NLHE, deep NLHE, zoom NLHE, etc.) and im sure new players prefer it this way.
Reward system is a great work too. You can give a boring flat 30% rb or you can give a really fun mix of bonus, tickets, points + challenges, + extras and still worth 30% back.
I think what Unibet did with his cardroom really nailed it. It seems like a social fb game with a lot of fun, achievements, challenges, leaderboards etc. Game is simple (pools arent segregated into cap NLHE, 50bb NLHE, 100bb NLHE, deep NLHE, zoom NLHE, etc.) and im sure new players prefer it this way.
Reward system is a great work too. You can give a boring flat 30% rb or you can give a really fun mix of bonus, tickets, points + challenges, + extras and still worth 30% back.
And yes, you're getting to the heart of a lot of what we wanted to do. We wanted simple games that people could easily get into, and we wanted a fun loyalty scheme that made people want to play just a little bit more. I think that both are big sources of churn.
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Whoops, fixed.
11-27-2015
, 07:05 AM
But its like Sect7G says. Alot of pokerplayers are selfish people and to succeed in poker a thing like that is a plus but i am not that kind of person I think the ecosystem unibet has will suffer alot with the influx of alot of Rakebackgrinder mass multitableing nits. And like Sect7G also stated can cause a waterfalleffect all the way down to 4nl when regs that are not winning anymore are going to drop stakes.
I am also glad I am not the only one that is noticing this trend. Reducing the rakeback and capping it on the Pokerstars level (2016 level) might fix things otherwise bad things could happen if every table will be reg vs reg.
Hope to get some good and constructive discussion going because i love unibet and i would hate to see rakebackgrinders destroy yet another pokersite :'( .
