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07-03-2015 , 10:03 AM
Yeah it's taken care off, thanks for you efforts Andrew!
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07-03-2015 , 10:10 AM
Hi, I purchased a coaching programming at Christmas you were kind enough to give me my results before. if it's not too much trouble could i have my 4nl number of hands played and winrate:

(1) - beginning of time - 1/1/2015 , and
(2) - Jan 2/1/2015 - present date

If you can do that can you post or pm whichever is more convenient for you.

Thank you
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07-03-2015 , 10:24 AM
is flopping a flush or better one of the challenges that was not ment to be in ? Having problems with the major
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07-03-2015 , 10:50 AM
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The last time you contacted live support they told you that your email inbox is full. That's why you aren't receiving mails.
It was full for two days, of course I cleaned it as soon as I noticed it.
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07-03-2015 , 10:59 AM
Hi Andrew, I've had a couple of months off, but i'm back playing again. Just wanted to say hi, have I missed anything good? Adrian
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07-03-2015 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by UnibetAndrew

Which means I can't check that either at the moment, so couldn't say if the bootcamp is doing anything or not.

I have no problem with adding table caps to other stakes if need be, but it'd be after this promo.
The problem here is that to succeed in your challenge system - you need a huge volume. I hope you will not cap any higher stakes in future since it becomes pretty impossible to reach for example the package at 1,25m unless you play the highest available stakes. And if you will, your system needs quite big adjustments.

I doubt as well that any reg is grinding nl25 for summer bootcamp. To reach any significant money you need to be super lucky with straightflushes etc. since the multiplier is so much higher in bigger stakes. IE. internet is full of better value races for micro stakes players.
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07-03-2015 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Potmolestor
The problem here is that to succeed in your challenge system - you need a huge volume. I hope you will not cap any higher stakes in future since it becomes pretty impossible to reach for example the package at 1,25m unless you play the highest available stakes. And if you will, your system needs quite big adjustments.

I doubt as well that any reg is grinding nl25 for summer bootcamp. To reach any significant money you need to be super lucky with straightflushes etc. since the multiplier is so much higher in bigger stakes. IE. internet is full of better value races for micro stakes players.
But when unibet does rakeraces on those stakes games are alot more nit and rakebackgrinder infested The fast holdem race on 25nl last years rings a bell Also banzai is basicly dead, it only ran when money was giving out there in the form of a rakerace that attracts those nitregs that mostly leave after the promo. Tablecapping 25nl aswell to 8 tables would make that stake alot more fun for the recreationals. At the moment its a 3bet fiesta from regs that dont have a clue (so i dont mind ) but i think its really not fun for a recreational player if they get 3bet every single hand. Ofcourse its summer now ans there are alot less recreational players so more regs per table that creates some dynamics but the amount of randomlolmodespew 3betting is insane atm

I think promo's on 4-25 and 50nl ? should focus alot less on rakeraces and stuff but more like the kings of hearts promo last year on microgaming. Giving 5 EUR per heart flush to the players with a maximum of 5 flushes and paying 100 EUR ? i think for a straight or royal flush.

Not sure what you think about this Would like to hear your feedback .
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07-03-2015 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SuddenlyGood2
Hi, I purchased a coaching programming at Christmas you were kind enough to give me my results before. if it's not too much trouble could i have my 4nl number of hands played and winrate:

(1) - beginning of time - 1/1/2015 , and
(2) - Jan 2/1/2015 - present date

If you can do that can you post or pm whichever is more convenient for you.
Pre 2nd Jan you played 20,170 NL4 hands, raked 47.39 and were up 49.511
2nd Jan onwards, you played 101,650 NL4 hands, raked 183.58 and were up 375.08

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is flopping a flush or better one of the challenges that was not ment to be in ? Having problems with the major
Afraid not. You can still discard one of each type per month though.

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Hi Andrew, I've had a couple of months off, but i'm back playing again. Just wanted to say hi, have I missed anything good? Adrian
Some Twitch stuff, a new game (Banzai), some new promo ideas, lots of bug fixes, etc.

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The problem here is that to succeed in your challenge system - you need a huge volume. I hope you will not cap any higher stakes in future since it becomes pretty impossible to reach for example the package at 1,25m unless you play the highest available stakes. And if you will, your system needs quite big adjustments.

I doubt as well that any reg is grinding nl25 for summer bootcamp. To reach any significant money you need to be super lucky with straightflushes etc. since the multiplier is so much higher in bigger stakes. IE. internet is full of better value races for micro stakes players.
Mostly I agree, but in a straight race between ecology and Challenges, I'll pick ecology. I think to do this it'd have to be with the start of a quarter though, as it'd be unfair on someone going for 1.25m points at NL25 if I were to cap the tables with a month to go. That isn't really a concern with NL4.

I can't tell if the bootcamp is doing anything to the ecology at the moment, it's still going on so it wouldn't make sense to look into it too much for now.
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07-03-2015 , 12:33 PM
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Pre 2nd Jan you played 20,170 NL4 hands, raked 47.39 and were up 49.511
2nd Jan onwards, you played 101,650 NL4 hands, raked 183.58 and were up 375.08
Great thank you
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07-03-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Ah, I hadn't really thought of the 50bb part before. How about if we made it that you could rathole above 100bb but not below?
That might be a good compromise, seems like on balance it would protect the recreational players but thwart some of the nittier regs.
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07-03-2015 , 12:58 PM
hello andrew,

traffic has been really bad at nl400 the last couple of days, i guess its gonna get worse and worse until sept right ?

Im at a point where i need to give action on other sites unfortunately
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07-03-2015 , 01:25 PM
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That might be a good compromise, seems like on balance it would protect the recreational players but thwart some of the nittier regs.
This seems like a decent plan to tackle to problem while still allowing recreationals who are not comfortable playing with alot of money to cash "out" above 100bb
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07-03-2015 , 01:45 PM
Can you change my PLO4 ticket to a €4MTT ticket? I can't play this much flops since I go on holiday this sunday.

Turntacetic
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07-03-2015 , 04:11 PM
Andrew, can you maybe change my 2x€25 SNG tickets into 1 NL50 ticket.
Alias: hemorrhoid2
Thank you
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07-03-2015 , 05:31 PM
Andrew, could you plz change my banzai tickets and mtt/tickets (I got 11 in total worth of11€) into 1 NL10 ticket. Thanks

Username: PhillyWilly
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07-03-2015 , 05:59 PM
Andrew, can you change the daily ticket into 4xsng?

Thanks!
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07-03-2015 , 06:52 PM
Meanwhile the PS ****storm continues to pile on
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...stars-1543880/
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07-04-2015 , 01:31 AM
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This seems like a decent plan to tackle to problem while still allowing recreationals who are not comfortable playing with alot of money to cash "out" above 100bb
I don't rathole, and I always play with 100bbs, BUT i have never understood why sites actively work to stop people from leaving a table and buying back in there or anywhere else with whatever they like.

If player A beats player B and decides he wants to buy in for a different amount why should that be a problem, professional shortstackers like to play short stacked poker, why should 100bb+ pros have everthing their way?
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07-04-2015 , 02:03 AM
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Ah, I hadn't really thought of the 50bb part before. How about if we made it that you could rathole above 100bb but not below?
I think this sounds a good compromise. Tbh I consider 50bb at the upper end of what I would consider 'rat-holing', as the problem is when other players stacks are very big relative to their buy-in, not so much the taking money off the table.

Although do consider that taking money off the table at all will decrease variance when stacks are still 50bb+, is this what a rec site wants?

Hopefully this rule will be used by the recs to control their buyins/comfort rather than nits reducing their variance.

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I don't rathole, and I always play with 100bbs, BUT i have never understood why sites actively work to stop people from leaving a table and buying back in there or anywhere else with whatever they like.

If player A beats player B and decides he wants to buy in for a different amount why should that be a problem, professional shortstackers like to play short stacked poker, why should 100bb+ pros have everthing their way?
I think if a rec loses say 10 buyins, he prefers to see his money still at the table and know that 3 double-ups will put him in profit rather than 10 double-ups which seems impossible.

Tbh Ive seen some unbelievable rec players at Uni who stack off 15+ buyins in less than 30 minutes. And its great when everyone keeps the money at the table for a few reasons:

1. It keeps the rec happy and playing
2. Regs are now out of thier confort zone against eachother
3. Alot of times the rec can hit a streak of 2-3 double-ups and get most his money back.

It saddens me when a rec like this has fueled the game so hard for 30 mins with so many buyins and the table has only <6 buyins on it. Must leave the rec feeling a bit hopeless.
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07-04-2015 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SuddenlyGood2
I don't rathole, and I always play with 100bbs, BUT i have never understood why sites actively work to stop people from leaving a table and buying back in there or anywhere else with whatever they like.

If player A beats player B and decides he wants to buy in for a different amount why should that be a problem, professional shortstackers like to play short stacked poker, why should 100bb+ pros have everthing their way?
I don't care about short stacks. I prefer to play big stacks but think everybody should be able to buy for what they want. I didn't even agree when sites increased buyins from 20bb. Short stacking is a legitimate strategy.

But shortstacking is not the issue, ratholing is. Ratholing and shortstacking are not the same thing. This isn't just a rule stars have. Its not just most or all other sites. Its a rule of poker.

Imagine if every winner of every single hand did it.

If a guy wants to leave the table and buyin for less, he'll have no problem finding another table where he can buyin for the minimum unless he is mass multi tabling and doing it constantly.
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07-04-2015 , 05:32 AM
I also have no problem with ratholing in this case. 50 bb's is a solid enough stack size, it's very different to ratholing to 20 bb's for example.I actually enjoy playing deepstacked but if people don't feel comfortable playing with a larger stack they just shouldn't be forced to.
The idea of allowing to rathole to 100 bb's only is good too.

Last edited by BRpokah; 07-04-2015 at 05:41 AM.
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07-04-2015 , 06:00 AM
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Pre 2nd Jan you played 20,170 NL4 hands, raked 47.39 and were up 49.511
2nd Jan onwards, you played 101,650 NL4 hands, raked 183.58 and were up 375.08
MOVE UP!!!
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07-04-2015 , 06:32 AM
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I also have no problem with ratholing in this case. 50 bb's is a solid enough stack size, it's very different to ratholing to 20 bb's for example.I actually enjoy playing deepstacked but if people don't feel comfortable playing with a larger stack they just shouldn't be forced to.
The idea of allowing to rathole to 100 bb's only is good too.
I agree that 50bb is a suffcient stack aswell but because this topic is being discussed i started to pay attention to those 50bb players and the people that double up to 100bb and then leave and comeback are only regs. I dont mind them doing that ofcourse because its allowed but it seems the measure is being abused more then it does good for recreationals

hope to get some feedback from Andrew. The 100bb proposal from Andrew seems fair to me
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07-04-2015 , 08:44 AM
Just put a cap on the amount of times u can leave a table when u doubled up as a shortstack and come back with a shortstack again per day, gives the recs the possibility to do whatever they want and makes it harder for the multitabling short/halfstacking reg to rathole as efficiently. Maybe some work to get this done software wise but just an idea.
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07-04-2015 , 11:04 AM
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I tested this on PC and had someone test it on Mac - when I click down, move the mouse away from the button, then release: nothing happens. It still lets me change my mind.

I wonder if this is some weird mouse setting on your side? Are you using PC or mac? Which operating system are you on?
Windows 7, everything else works the way I described it would ideally work, except unibet. Strange, let me test more later.
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