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12-20-2020 , 11:54 PM
His chart may not be right but they always bragged about "We have lowest rake in industry by far" so they are supposed to be WAY lower than acr.... and it makes sense because they have less overhead, less risk of chargebacks. ASSUMING BTC stays high for the coming months, they gotta lower it
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12-21-2020 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by glogga
I don't know why that chart says $2.33 to $4.19. At the micros their cap is 100 microBTC which is $2.33. That's lower than the ACR cap of $3. And the rate 3.5% is also lower.
Micros are not the issue.
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12-21-2020 , 09:28 AM
There is so much to complain about with swc, rake is a non issue. Their MTT rake is amazing, cash is good too.
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12-21-2020 , 02:47 PM
the issue is reg battling to get games going at reasonable stakes. with the cap being what it is its actually a good bit higher than others if you're trying to get mid-ish stakes action plus. before you could sit down and reg battle in the hopes a rec would come along and not get too beat up. now you just can't, hence why nothing runs.

pretty much all you can justify doing now if you're not an absolute monster is have the lobby open, let someone else do the heavy lifting of getting the games going, and then hopefully get a seat. no bueno.
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12-21-2020 , 02:51 PM
and you can see it in the lobby too. a lot of guys are just sitting heads up rather than try to get games going because there's no real incentive to open sit ring games. there's currently ~60 heads up tables being occupied by 1 player open sitting. literally nothing is running.
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12-22-2020 , 10:03 AM
That's literally all other sites. There is plenty of small/midstakes running (~125nl - 250nl) and it's super soft.
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12-22-2020 , 11:49 AM
yes, all other sites have one game (literally 1 game) running above 5nl right now in ANY of the formats available, with 60+ tables of people open sitting HU.

theres not much to discuss here anymore, either you don't put in volume/bumhunt here at reasonable stakes or you're shilling. the site is dead.
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12-22-2020 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ff6237
That's literally all other sites. There is plenty of small/midstakes running (~125nl - 250nl) and it's super soft.
Most other sites have gotten rid of HU tables.

I mean, you can just look at it differently - rake has more than doubled within one month (from 10k to 23k price).

Now imagine if another site raised their rake by 100% (including the cap!) and then think about what the reactions would be.
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12-24-2020 , 03:39 PM
yeah the site's ****ing dead i agree. don't put much volume just 1-2 tables on the side. just think rake changes won't mean anything, they need a new branding or someithg
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12-27-2020 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ff6237
yeah the site's ****ing dead i agree. don't put much volume just 1-2 tables on the side. just think rake changes won't mean anything, they need a new branding or someithg
Its hard to compete in this market. I think there is only a few who have made it and become successful.
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12-27-2020 , 07:10 AM
getting rid of the idiot "chat mod" who is driving away the few regulars they have left would be a start (after lowering the ridiculous rake, of course)
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12-27-2020 , 07:25 AM
Rake cap at Chinese is $12 now and over $7 dollar on the jackpot tables. That is higher than in Vegas live games!
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12-27-2020 , 09:55 PM
So bitcoin went from 18K to 27K in december alone. This could tank, don't think it's the new normal. Agree to fluidly adjust the caps would be the ideal solution. I'm assuming you have plenty of btc so this is a good thing for our bankrolls no? The rake percentage is still the same and very low especially after rake back. Yes, on a jackpot tables with 25% higher rake, the rake cap is close to 6 bucks but not over 7 (225/1000 X 27) which is too high. And six handed at 5Kish ring games (1000/2000) it is also close to 6 bucks which is too high. I've never seen a 6 max game with everyone sitting with 200K chips though (>5KUSD). To be fair, they have adjusted the rake every time bitcoin has fluctuated it's just not immediately.

I just think nothing will ever make you happy. My apologies if my read is wrong.

Last edited by LETIGRA; 12-27-2020 at 10:04 PM.
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12-28-2020 , 07:34 AM
You seem to think that now that stakes are higher (in fiat), it is justified that rake is also higher - this is wrong. In fact, rake has always been lower (relatively) in higher stakes, because naturally, edges are smaller in these games aswell. Additionally, in lower stake games, percentage is more important than rake cap, because you don't reach the rake cap as often.

I can play a 10/20 table with double the current rake and have a winrate, but playing what is now $25/50 (1k/2k) 11-game against 3-4 decent players where you reach the rake cap basically every hand that goes to 5th card/a turn? Bad idea. What's more, these games won't even start running under that premise, unless very specific criteria are met.

You are right in that I have adjusted already and merely bumhunt these "specific criteria" already, but if this keeps up, it will hurt the games (and subsequently the player base), which hurts everyone's bottom line.
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12-28-2020 , 08:50 AM
Either the password reset thing they implemented does not work or they're intentionally not replying to the requests. Would be nice to be able to get my balance off this crooked site.
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12-28-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
You are right in that I have adjusted already and merely bumhunt these "specific criteria" already, but if this keeps up, it will hurt the games (and subsequently the player base), which hurts everyone's bottom line.
this is exactly right. I know what I'm doing on SWC is bad for the sites ecology but its what I have to do to play there currently. that's not a direction any site should willingly push players towards.
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12-28-2020 , 03:58 PM
The rake cap is too high at certain stakes. Agreed. It’s actually over $5 in a few spots. You act like it’s an apocalypse with your posts.

If you don’t get any rake back I guess it’s an issue. But if u think lowering rake caps is going to have some major impact on traffic no way.
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12-28-2020 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LETIGRA
The rake cap is too high at certain stakes. Agreed. It’s actually over $5 in a few spots. You act like it’s an apocalypse with your posts.

If you don’t get any rake back I guess it’s an issue. But if u think lowering rake caps is going to have some major impact on traffic no way.
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12-28-2020 , 08:20 PM
That player has been seeding high stakes fixed limit since the dawn of time. I guess he is okay with the rake caps. You can block his tables if they bother you.
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12-28-2020 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LETIGRA
That player has been seeding high stakes fixed limit since the dawn of time. I guess he is okay with the rake caps. You can block his tables if they bother you.
You missed the point. There was not a single game running at the time in the whole low-high lobby. I mean, ofcourse it does affect traffic, no point in even arguing here.

In better news, via BCT thread:

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SwC is aware that you and others want the rake adjusted and find ACR's higher % but lower max rake to be more favorable. They are currently working on creating a new rake schedule, which should come out this week.
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12-29-2020 , 11:46 PM
no did not miss point. straw manned u cause u straw manned me.

also, stop talking about high stakes. There are no high stakes 3+ handed games ever running. Even PLO5 50/100 is low to midstakes at a tad above 1/2. If people are buying in for a few hundred bucks it's not high stakes and therefore you do not deserve a low rake or cap.

At the 50c/$1 on ACR the rake cap is $3 which is 300% higher than the big blind. stop converting everything to USD. why not rupees? I want to play legend of zelda. Only at true high stakes does rake cap become a fraction of bb.

rake percentage is actually way more important than rake cap with regards to winrates.

In vegas a buck comes out at $10. That's ruthless.

and yes we see your duplicate posts on bit talk. i actually think there is a bigger issue. were you made to choose between chat or rakeback and you took rake back??

You total slut I love you!

xoxoxo
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12-30-2020 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LETIGRA
no did not miss point. straw manned u cause u straw manned me.

also, stop talking about high stakes. There are no high stakes 3+ handed games ever running. Even PLO5 50/100 is low to midstakes at a tad above 1/2. If people are buying in for a few hundred bucks it's not high stakes and therefore you do not deserve a low rake or cap.

At the 50c/$1 on ACR the rake cap is $3 which is 300% higher than the big blind. stop converting everything to USD. why not rupees? I want to play legend of zelda. Only at true high stakes does rake cap become a fraction of bb.

rake percentage is actually way more important than rake cap with regards to winrates.

In vegas a buck comes out at $10. That's ruthless.

and yes we see your duplicate posts on bit talk. i actually think there is a bigger issue. were you made to choose between chat or rakeback and you took rake back??

You total slut I love you!

xoxoxo
... Ooh boy. You should drink less.
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12-30-2020 , 03:34 AM
Hi

I havent logged in for a longer time
(i am like 90% sure that after they updated their client i reset my PW in the old one and logged in in the new client which was probably like one year ago)
however now i tried logging in and it asked me to reset Password which i did. It keep saying "login failed" though when i try logging in.
Is this a know issue righg now?
Anybody had similar? Should I contact support or is there some migration problems still from older client?

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Hi

I havent logged in for a longer time
(i am like 90% sure that after they updated their client i reset my PW in the old one and logged in in the new client which was probably like one year ago)
however now i tried logging in and it asked me to reset Password which i did. It keep saying "login failed" though when i try logging in.
Is this a know issue righg now?
Anybody had similar? Should I contact support or is there some migration problems still from older client?
Maybe I cant log in because I had google two way authentication but there is no option for it now?... any help?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 12-30-2020 at 08:22 AM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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12-30-2020 , 06:11 AM
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Maybe I cant log in because I had google two way authentication but there is no option for it now?... any help?
Yes, one of their providers had a breach and they require you to set a new password.

Are you sure the e-mail you have used is linked to that account?

You can always e-mail their support and they will help you.
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12-30-2020 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
Yes, one of their providers had a breach and they require you to set a new password.

Are you sure the e-mail you have used is linked to that account?

You can always e-mail their support and they will help you.
Yes im sure that it's the right email.
And i already emailed them... just had nl idea how good/fast their support is but will keep you guys updated in case somebody had similar issue
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