Just tried to deposit

Cashier won't open, stuck on loading screen....

Anyone else have this problem?

So next time it updates I will try and deposit again. I can wait til your next update cycle.

Look forward to playing on a new site, but not gonna rush my funds on not having any idea of how long till tourneys are added to the site, as well as the cashier not working for me.

Looks like we have very similar ideas about what we want. Not sure that fits in with what the Rio people want, but I do agree about there being an equal split between tournament and cash, with not too many tournaments running at the same time. They could run it similar to a casino with one or two tourneys a day plus some sit and goes.


I also don't like the idea of too many cheap turbo freerolls, and since they seem to be going for quality rather than quantity they may not have too many of those.

Sorry to hear about the cashier problems. The Rio people visit here regularly but I've informed Discord of your problem. One thing about them is they do have tremendous customer service. That is why I am on their side despite some of my negative posts.

They look like they are wanting to build a business based on a quality product with customer satisfaction and customer service. Given some of the problems you see on here, they are a breath of fresh air.

anyone know which of the prepaid visa/mcs work on this site from Canada? I only ask cause PS is pretty picky which ones work

Probably most of this stuff has been posted or is in the FAQ but gonna post it anyway.

• All in hands happen way too fast. You miss the action and can't even sweat.
• The first wouldn't be such a big problem but.. split pots are shown only going to one player. This leads to confusion of where's my money if I won. And if I lost..
• The hand history doesn't work way too often. So you are left wondering what happened.
• Talking about hand histories. They are a bit too plain text. I know what I had. I want an easier way to see what the opponent had. Especially since you rarely can spot what the opponent had even if it was shown because it's way too fast.

Non technical things. I really don't like the splash the pot rakeback. Way too often I feel like I'm left out or flipping vs 2-3 guys for full stacks (PLO).

Things I like:

• No HUD policy and the avatars
• The table look in general is good

Cant speak for prepaids but my Visa worked... as long as its not TD you should be able too

At this time, we don't have an eta for SNGs and MTTs. We expect SNGs to come before MTTs though. When we have an update on this I'll be posting in this thread.

A few others have suggested this. I'll share your input with our team. We've already begun internal discussions on possible adjustments to STP.

Hi Aariestiger,

Sorry to hear you're having issues loading the cashier window. If you'd like additional assistance our support team will be more than happy to help. Please shoot them an email support@runitonce.eu

I'm not 100% on this, but it looks like babaloos provided some help. Based on feedback from Discord - it seems MuchBetter has been the most successful deposit option for Canadians.

Appreciate the feedback, Tirppa.
We're aware of the fast showdowns and the visual issue for split pots. We assure the pots are being awarded properly, and we're working on updating both of these issues as soon as possible.

We've had a lot of requests for a hand replayer and we're working on implementing this as well, although it might take a bit longer than the two issues above.

We're also reviewing STP and possibly changes, specifically for PLO.

Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback, good luck on the tables!

Hey Squirrel,

We're evaluating options for our PLO stakes and will provide an update when we have one.

We appreciate the feedback on tournaments and look forward to hearing your suggestions/feedback once we release more information regarding our plans for SNGs/MTTs.

so what percentage of players at nl100 are open limping in 6max games?

Traditionally Prepaid Vanilla brand Mastercards work on pokersites with MC payment options from Canada, Prepaid visas, including Vanilla brand tend to not work.

You won't be able to get the money off the site that way though! It will have to go through Ecopayz or MuchBetter on the way out.


Since I don't already have an account with either of those 3rd parties I don't want to depo with a prepaid and then have to make another deposit with either Eco or MB to be able to withdraw via those methods. I might as well just make AND verify an account with them to deposit initially.

This was the most disappointing part to me. I want to play on RIO directly via instadebit or echeck. I don't want to trust another party with my money in between.


I'm not trying to bash RIO btw but that is how I feel right now. I'd love to be able to play and depo/withdraw directly from them. And I will as soon as the option is available.

Go to Money Mart. They have a pre paid titanium MasterCard that works great online. You should be able to receive money on it. I have in the past.

I am pretty frustrated and pissed now. I wasted 2 hours of my time just to not be able to deposit money to your site.

Skrill just told me the block online gambling sites. I have send them a massive hate mail and will delete my acc there if the keep this bs up.

My master business card has not been accepted by your site.

And all these german quick deposit sites to get money on the ecopay site also dont work.

I wonder if ecopay even works after I managed to get money there.

'-..-'

Please fix all this. You can't earn money like this. there won't be traffic, if pople can't even manage to get their buck there, without getting a nervous system berserk breakdown of pure hate.

I worked 10 hours, just wanna chill by playing a bit, and waste another 2 hours for for this bs.

Thanks AAriestiger long time no see hope all is well

Is a reg old cheque not an option?


Forgot about these thanks, even though I dont plan on cashing out till I have all the moniez

Had my last 50eur on the table.. the table was down to heads-up with other guy. And boom 1000bb splash the pot.. good lucks were exchanged and I ended up winning the pot.

Still not a big fan of splash the pot but damn that still felt amazing

3 years of wait and they come up with a rake that is higher than on the infamous Stars.
Also you pay higher rake right now because you play guinea pig in a beta-software.
Whoever makes these decisions, I applaud you, those are real good jokes, and it's not even April yet, I'm dying to see what you come up with on 1st.

Spare me the white-knight posts about effective rake. You are feeding the mouth that bites you and eventually eats you up. It's so obvious: the discussion over SplashThePot wouldn't even be here, if rakeback wasn't the oh-so-important carrot dangling before everyone's noses. Not writing brown noses, but you all have the mentality of a battered house wive if you are defending nice guy Phil and this money-grabbing scheme over this particular carrot. I will give you all the benefit of being exceptional good poker players desperately trying find a grinding opportunity, or else you would not be here. Every bad player quit ages ago. It's hard to quit something you are good at, you are excused.

Still you very well know that the games are not beatable with this kind of rake structure, hence you cling to rakeback and sign-up benefits like a drowning man to whatever he is thrown. But let that go for a second.

Imagine if you can and your Stockholm syndrome allows it: RunItOnce coming up with an actual poker room for the players, sporting 1% rake and 25% rakeback over STP, having the effective rake at 0,75%. You'd sign up in seconds. You'd tell your friends who moved on from wasting time and money because that room would sound really smooth, even if they just show up once in a while. You'd congratulate Phil on the genius solution how to distribute rakeback fair and at the same time creating action.
Your focus wouldn't be on rakeback flip or no flip, but on another poker goldrush - because suddenly a whole batallion of worse players suddenly start being break-even or even profitable and would come crawling out of the woodwork. And another batallion of players who think they could be profitable now would join them in trying again.
You as the last good poker players standing right now certainly wouldn't mind the STP because you would actually have a winrate to gamble the STP preflop 6-way-allin.

And all of that would be a lasting much longer, because of an eco system where your NL20 stack isn't gone after 10 allins. Amazingly 10 allins raked 5% of 200BB with a 2€ cap-> that's a whole stack. No matter who wins. It's gone, directly into the pockets of the eloquent Mr. Galfond and silent associates. Generous Phil who will distribute half of it back, isn't that great. You have to be thankful for that! Rake will 25% better than on Stars. Wow. Much money! So profit!

I'm not saying any other poker site is better, but at Stars there are actually clueless players cashing in 20 bucks and one-tabling all evening one tournament while having a 1$ SNG or NL10 table open to spend the time. They have dumb money coming in. Stars has a very long history and made some costly acquisitions to have a semi-dormant player base of exactly those poor idiots. Other sites get fishes from sports betting or casinos.

All of that will never happen on RIO. Never ever. Give up your hopes to somehow be profitable. You won't. You will battle against other regs. Sure they might be bad, but then again they might not. They are anonymous after all, so you find out if the iron is hot by touching it. Definitely far away from what would be necessary to be profitable; after 10 more or less close allins another stack is gone the way of the rake dodo. Half of said stack you might see again, but then again you might not and bust another 10 stacks in a row to chase those juicy 15BB splashes 6way-allins. Oh and of course during that course blow the 11th stack for rake again. And suddenly and unexpected it's lights out faster than you thought because somehow your game is not profitable.
But fear not, variance isn't a butch at all, it evens out and you probably do get lucky every 6th allin on average and get to your well-deserved rakeback. Ah, not quite, the the rake from shoving 6 times is still gone somehow.

It's a miracle really how you never seem to win. Gosh, why didn't Phil come up with a solution for that one. It's impossible. If Stars can't do it and even Phil can't do it - it cannot be done.


Hey Phil I always liked you, I still like you, no hard feelings, was worth a try. As Squirrel said - one wonders how much in charge you really are and how much ROI is expected from you. Given how much everybody knows Stars is raking in and even Unibet poker revs more than 20mln per year. Only a fool would settle for a quarter of that. Right? Right?

might want to lay off the drugs nichts, all the best mate

Couple random questions:

The number of hands i have on a player / the read that displas next to them - is that based on overall play vs them or just this session

If i take a note on a player - does that stay on them so next time i see them i have the note available ?

Are you planning on adding a convert currency to BBs (same as Party) option ?

How can i track my rake paid / RB awarded ?

Is there any tracking software capable of tracking play on here yet ?

- Just that table, you can be sat at two tables with the same player and two different reads based on their play on that individual table

- Notes stay for 4 hours if the player returns to that table. Tags do not cross tables so you won't be able to tag a player on one table and the tag will appear on other.

- Not been mentioned in Discord but it i'd imagine it's on a large 'to do' list.

- You'll be able to track rake I guess once hand history downloads are made available. It would be up to the tracking software teams to provide compatibility to RIO P. It has been mentioned that RIO P has reached out to some of the software developers to make this happen.

I think his post is very lucid and spot on actually.

Everything he wrote in regards to rake is pretty much accurate, perhaps slightly exaggerated to make a point. And after years of the "poker dream" rhetoric building up to the launch the actual rake at RIO is utterly disappointing, there's no way to deny that.

I still support the site because sadly it still might be the best option available once it's fully developed. And who knows, they left the door open for rake adjustments so there's a non zero chance of it being lowered, however unlikely.

rake looks fine to me when you factor in the 51% rb, effective rake is all that matters unlike this junkie was saying

Effective rake is ~25%-30% better than Stars.

While I disagree with him that it's not beatable I agree with him that it's not the kind of rake that will revitalise the "poker dream". It will not make moving up the stakes that much easier compared to the options that are already out there. Nor will it increase the amount of slightly winning/break even players that would linger around and prop up the echo system. It's also not the kind of rake that will incentivise players to consolidate their action on RIO.

And sure, overall the rake is fine in the context of the current landscape but it's not consistent with the whole "poker dream" rhetoric, that's all.

I am pretty much +1 on the above post. There are some reasons why they may still be the best option, which I have touched on, and the post you are replying to has sort of ignored, or hasn't seen the positives in the decisions.

STP will certainly favour the better players as they will adapt their hand selection better to the varying pre flop pot sizes. How good or bad this is depends on your perspective, but is awful for RIO in one respect. The money leaves the site quickly in the pockets of winning players, so is not raked through enough times. The more times they can keep the money circulating amongst losing players means more rake for RIO. This effectively means more money ends up in poker players' pockets rather than the poker site, albeit winning poker players.

For losing players this is offset to a certain extent by the protection they have in place to fight bots, collusion, and computer programmes/HUDs. They also have a chance to win big in the larger STP's, where the playing field is levelled. It's a business but STP is unique and some love it. This place has been built for having a good time whether you win or lose your money.

What is wanted is the best experience for everyone, and this site has been designed so it is enjoyable for everyone, while the site makes some money. Part of that is the great customer service and part of it is the way they are fighting the problems people are reading about continually on 2p2.

This is meant as a late edit to the above post. There are some very good points made by nichts, and I admit to being disappointed myself by STP. I've said it before, I hate it, but understand why it's there. RIO and STP does polarise opinion, but that might not be a bad thing. The truth probably lies somewhere between the positives and negatives. When compared to the others, I think RIO deserves a chance.

I think I'm schizophrenic, or I should say ambivalent - I both love it and hate it, but have always believed in trying to see someone else's opinion without getting angry. On Discord I said that I regarded STP as a scattergun of human excrement fired at the beautiful game of plo. But yeah, I'm in the give 'em a chance category. It's so nearly perfect but has flaws, and I'm not talking about the glitches and crashes, I'm talking about the things I personally don't like, but they have been designed to be a part of the game for a reason.

haha

Oh you poor lost soul. I will imagine for you.

I imagine an online site, where people pay a monthly fee of 15 or 20 bucks to have fun and play whatever they want. A service that is running for millions of people. Offering all kinds of payment options and p2p actions, and provides realtime game interaction. Players making some money while having fun, dedicated players even living from it.

That service exists and is called MMO, you might have heard of WoW or Eve. But it's a huge sector with all kinds of prices, even f2p. It's tried and true and works without problems and generally is considered a cash cow making huge profits.

Now look at what you pay for rake every month. 10 bucks? Slummin it?
Grinders are paying 4-figures and don't see a problem with that.
It's really difficult to argue with victims of yearlong abuse. They think it's normal while every sane person will see at a glance that it's not. But they will defend their misery by any means. I expected to get called worse than a junkie. In all fairness I started calling you out as the victims you are.


I thought Phil would come up with a flat fee rake. Or if he didn't - at least have 1% rake that is beatable and would inspire plenty of players to try (again). That would have been revolutionary and real money poker would have been revived.

Imagine there could even be a choice before cashing in: 1% of your winnings (fish won't mind that) OR pay monthly subscription of 20 bucks. Nice, eh? Would certainly give Stars a run for its money. The promised land of poker would have finally arrived.

RIO came with a good product, I haven't got a thing against any of the design choices, STP is fine, stop discussing it.
Start discussing the rake. It's an abomination and nothing will ever make this right. No design, no high-stakes features, no nothing. A room where people pay more than 2 figures monthly for rake is not a room for the poker players. It's a treadmill. It's a slave galley. Do you really think Phil envisioned this?


Do you know the movie Strange days? Do not change your perspective to the bad guy because you can or willingly agree to be the victim just because you can see his perspective. It leads to wrong conclusions.

The right conclusions are:
Winning players keep playing. They want to win more. They cash in their previous winnings if they hit a bad streak.
The worry of RIO should not be to prevent winning players cashing out, but making sure that word hits the streat that there are winning players cashing out so everybody else sees it and tries to do the same. See that donk walking away with 1k from NL25? He certainly wants to do it again. And I can do that too!