Which club do you play on ?

What club are you playing on?

If it’s as good as he says there is 0 chance he tells you.

Well ive been grinding on pppoker for close to 2 years now.. collusion and scams are part and parcel of it i guess.. it helps when you have a reliable agent or affiliate network that does their best to ban colluders or even in some cases forfeit their winnings on that table if HH evidence is strong enough proof.. I think majority of my encounters on collusion occurs in low stakes though.. from 1/2-3/6

ppp isnt really a pokersite. ppp is 100s of sites under one roof. one club = one site

same like in the entire industry there will be good sites and bad sites, sites with big rb and barely any rb at all, sites who welcome bots and colluders and sites who dont allow anything like that at all.

exactly same can be said for agents.

obv in market as grey as this there are many challenges.

but calling ppp as the worst there is is exactly as stupid as praising it as gods gift to poker

Any insights on UPoker? Should we expect an experience overall identical to playing on PPP? Less rakeback, more rakeback? Easier for agents? More potential profit for Clubs and Unions? More restrictions, less restrictions?

Another crazy PPPoker story. So did the Union make you whole regarding your Paypal withdrawl and your missing rakeback? If you don't mind, what is the name of the union? It's nice to know that some Unions will get involved when there is a dispute between club owners and players/agents.

Also, why did the original owner of GOA say you did not deserve any rakeback? And that you haven't been playing and thus not entitled to any rakeback?

Just realized was playing in a club with 4bb cap rake even for 1/2.Thoughts,is this beatable in the long run?

Ive been playing on upoker as well.. experience wise I feel it's another pppoker and they are pppoker's main competitor. Rakeback well.. it depends on your agent not the club potential profit for clubs and unions I would say from what I know it is roughly the same operating costs as pppoker (diamonds and chips).
For restrictions what do you mean?

Just to add on, I was very impressed with upoker releasing 6card plo.. I find that the trend in pppoker in general is that the value to be found often is in the newest games released in the exception of short deck as short deck is not really that popular.. I think that most value on pppoker now would be in 5card plo.. the nl field in pppoker is pretty reggish

Gg man. I was a victim of Goa as well.. I heard the main union itself wasnt the scam but Goa is the one that screwed their customers. For mine, settlements just kept dragging but I worked with them for quite some time so I had a positive balance with them and didn't think much of it. Until one fine Monday they started ignoring my queries regarding when report was coming out and my cashout requests but when i tested the waters by requesting them to accept a player for me and link it to my agency they responded. That's when I realized..

- The player should do a better job of knowing who his agent (/group) is

- The agent (/group) should put more time, effort and importance on the integrity and financial stability&sustainability of every club they work with

- The club should put more time, effort and importance on having a better gauge on the integrity and solidity of the union they join (and how solid the other clubs in the union is, though that's a part of the unions solidity/integrity)

then it reverses;

- The union should make sure the clubs they connect (if i've understood it correctly) are all of proper management.

to the 99% of people who skip all the due diligence and in the end get ripped off, I have 0 sympathy, I only hope they didnt lose too much and that they learned something from it, and that the scamming party run into unfortunate events, and if possible get proper punishment.

I've just started playing appgames, I'd rate my own due diligence at B, I'm quite confident in my agent, but I did not make sure my agentgroup has done it's due diligence on the clubs they work with (they guarantee funds but if you put 100% faith in that then I think you're making quite a big mistake).

I "finished" my due diligence at B because I started with a very low amount so were I to get ripped off it wouldn't affect my mood for more than the time it took me to read/hear my money is gone.

If I were an agent I'd be a ****ing menace to the clubs I worked with, I'd make sure I know how they're holding their money, 80% bitcoin? that's too volatile, wouldn't work with them even if it's the softest club everyone wants to play on with a long history with 0 issues. I would not guarantee funds, dont use me if you don't trust me, I'll share my due diligence work with you though. 20%? bitcoin? aaaight fair. btc price drops 50% overnight? I'm gonna know who the club owner is and his phone number, I'm gonna need to know if he took profits recently (which he's obviously entitled to) so this drop is more serious than one would like for the clubs balances, is it underwater?

probably would have to represent mostly highstakes players for the club owner to answer my call but that's proper agent work. players are lazy, agents are lazy, clubs are lazy and the unions are lazy, lazy could also be incompetent, so a lot of peope have gotten ****ed and are gonna keep getting ****ed. not a problem with lack of regulation, people whining about no regulation are morons, no regulation is where all the potential lies, you juse need to stop wanting some other party to do the work for you (they'd do a **** job and triple the cost of doing business for every player agent club and union.)

If I ran a club (or union), I'd be willing to wear a ankle bracelet, publicize balances and show I can cover player holdings (if there were a practical way of doing so) even if the union were to stiff me next week (if i understand how stuff works^^), and I'd be a ****ing menace to the union (or clubs if I ran union).

If you get ****ed, in most cases it's your own doing (in the sense you could've avoided it), if you have "all" of your money on clubs and your due diligence is a C, you don't deserve to be ripped off but you are a moron.

English isn't my first language, sorry if something doesn't make sense.

Edit: first edit was just to mention how it felt good to read, this one is to clarify my views a bit; I want regulation, in the way i described above, we, the ones involved regulate, it costs us time, but it's cheaper so won't increase costs and reduce profits for all the 4 parties, and it actually works.

Regulation (in the way it's done today) works? Read how good a job the best financed regulatory department (I'm guessing) in the world did on the (privately) largest, most obvious ponzi scheme in history (the FDC on bernie madoff). or how great a job the banking overseers and fed did on seeing the financial crisis coming, and doing everything to minimize how big it would be.

P.S some sarcasm in this last paragraph above

Playing on UPoker (PPP skin) I was in a split pot, both players all in preflop for about 500 each. Net result was that UPoker took 25 in rake, and those of us who split the 'win' lost 10 each. In what world can this possibly be fair? (And is PPPoker just as shameless in stealing from their players?)

Think it's quite common. The rake cap from what I know of upoker is 3% 5bb or 5% 3bb forgot which. So I guess makes sense for a 1000 pot for them to rake 2-3% depending on what the club hosts set

The 3 major american unions.
Its not that great. It can be a times, just haven't noticed any cheating when I was playing.
UPoker is a pppoker competitor not a skin of pppoker.

I forget - do you lose money if you split the pot heads up in a casino?

Re rake I've seen UPoker take 100 from the pot in a 5/10 game, so at least 10 bb's maximum.

the upoker club im in is:
5% 3bb cap at 3/6 and under
3% 3bb cap at 5/10 and higher

on pp if you split a pot then no rake is taken
on upoker rake is still taken

Most games do rake split pots. For upoker I'm pretty sure rake settings for table is called at 3/5bb. There's no way they can set the tables to rake cap 10bbs. Maybe you might wanna inform your agent and have them check with the club you are in. At least that's what I do whenever I encounter problems. I send ss proof to my agents and such and they will contact the tech support/club hosts whichever is relevant

When creating a table on PPpoker For NLHE and PLO it's possible to choose from 5%, 3%, 2% or 1% and cap 3bb's, 2bb's, 1bb or 0.5bb's. For PLO5 card it's max 2%.

So the PPpoker club and/or union chooses the rake.

The rakeback on PPpoker from the main club and unions is shockingly low (imho) considering the 'exit scam' risk and history. The club/union service is also unprofessional (imho).

There is no reason for PPpoker unions and clubs to have such low rakeback given the low costs of running a club on PPpoker.

This was true in the past but the costs are actually not as low as you think. True the fact that running a pppoker club is low overhead compared to running a live game, but the rakeback deals in general compared to 1-2 years ago when pppoker just started out has increased drastically. I know of agents getting 70 to even as high as 80% rakeback from the club and their margin is only 10-20% due to the increase in competitors. There alot lots of player snatching going on behind the scenes (offering higher rakeback than what others are offering). Also, union operating costs are much higher compared to a stand alone club. Their diamonds to chip ratio is lower costing more diamonds for the chips and report exporting costs more as well if I'm not wrong because due to the larger amount of data.

I guess there is good and bad with pppoker the big unions are usually the most targetted ones by scammers and the ones I try to avoid.. I mostly focus on the smaller fishy ones mostly south america at the moment and I never had any problems plus its super fishy..

Totally agree. I am always happy when I get new clubs to grind on. Those are usually the softest until more affiliates know of it and the reg pool gets bigger.. all the tables in big unions now are like 4regs with 1-2 fish on 6max tables as compared to 3-4 fish on smaller clubs. But overall I still feel with a good rakeback deal a player can make a decent bb/100 winrate after rakeback just by clicking hours and grinding rakeback

Costs of running a club are definitely not as low as a lot of people think. There are multiple expenses that essentially eat up 20-25% of an owners profits. Then, there are some club owners that give back to their agents and players in forms of passing off their players to their agents, coaching, weekly give aways, rb "within reason", or a nice referral bonus program. That is more expense. Once an owner gives their agents rakeback, pass some players off to their agents to help them out, and factor in "cost of doing business", a lot of owners are operating on 20-30%.

IMO, finding someone that you trust and that you KNOW will give you good service is one of the biggest keys to having a good experience on pppoker or any app like it. Yes, there are going to be "sick runouts", and "online is rigged bro" situations, those will happen everywhere. But building a trusting business relationship with someone that you know has your best interest in mind is worth gold in places like pppoker.

can anyone tell me if its possible to look up what union a club is in? I was a member of a small club and liquidity dried up, they've since joined a union and I would like to do my due diligence on said union.

what is club name, i might recognize it

best chance is that you post the club name as mentioned maybe people here are in same union. also helps if you mention the region. would be easier to recognize unions if region is known