Be careful in that new club EuroBros. Wanted to check out a bit of their PLO so I'm watching a 3/6 and it's been 3-handed for a little while:

40 hands played, 39 walks, 1 guy raised 1 hand and won pre.

Think it's likely these guys are colluding and waiting for someone to sit.

I wrote down their sn's and ID's just in case. They're not super close together, but somewhat close: 815xxx, 816xxx, 775xxx

Cheap/old samsung tablets running android 5/7 are blocked. They are a common configuration used for emulators, and that's one of the ways they block them.

This app has them most collusion I have ever seen. Really even with rakeback this app is just a waste of money. 1/2 and up I swear I'm playing against teams. Security on this app is a joke owners/agents don't give 10 flying ****s about cheating. I had a guy at my table saying he dont care how much he loses he is playing on his agents dime, credit i would assume.

I really wish the usa would get their heads out of their ass and regulate online poker PPPoker went to **** Poker Bros is not far behind. Just wait some new club based poker software will come out when everyone has left Poker Bros just under a different brand no doubt be the same old bullshit.

Can somebody ban this guy ? Thanks.


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lolll wtf

Not sure but my WR on pokerbros is higher than on any "legit" online poker site by a considerable margin. Same thing with all of my friends that are crushers. Are you sure you are just not good enough to beat the games? Seems like all the good players say it's a gold mine and all the players that can't beat the game say it's rigged, full of collusion, etc. Just a thought

this from what you quoted seems as good a reason as any:

+ lack of regs/multitablers

i imagine pokerbros to be like untracked euro sites on steroids

You guys that beat the game are using solvers and huds. I dont use any of that **** and sit slightly above EV. Where is the skill in having a app basically make a decision for you. I consider myself better then half the "pros" because I don't need a robot to make my decision.

You're only "better" if you make more money than them. Play PLO5 or PLO6 if solvers tilt you.

Do opinions bother you? Maybe if so, you should just ban yourself?

seems like you do need a robot to make the decisions for you since you cant beat these super soft games

The android 11 update on my pixel 4 makes the app on my phone difficult to use. Everywhere you touch inputs as a quarter inch above of where you touch. so if you click on a button, it clicks whatever is a quarter inch above where you actually touched. I sent an email to support, we'll see how long it takes to fix. I assume anyone that plays on their phone that updates to android 11 will have this problem

Imagine sucking so hard that u cant beat pokerbros clubs then crying about it on 2p2.

Trust me i beat it but not in a fashion that I consider skill full. Im that guy who will piss you off when I call down a huge pot with 4%EQ and smash your made set. Made it a point months ago to start doing this when I saw how dumb the algorithm was. And trust me it has paid off, only goto be good 1/4 and been hitting higher then that frequency.

Does not mean i still don't think the app is shady bad beat dont hit for days then 1st one completely drains the pool of well over 100k then 2 more hits in the next few hrs. What are the odds of that happening?

This. I don't use a HUD or solver and mostly play the 40% + vpip 5c and 6c games or the 70%vpip 4c tables.
Don't think they have solvers for that yet lol

Imagine if people were agents and owners like yourself, making easy thousands a week doing work monkeys could do, gambling Bc why the f not in 6 card knowing your rake covers, then getting mad at people exposing the BS and collusion and trying to save face so you can continue to earn?

I can.


Place is riddled with collusion. And junkies don’t care cuz they want their fix. And agents and owners dismiss and downplay it. Hurrdurrr there’s collusion everywhere.

Right. Not like on the apps. Name another site you can make 3-4 accounts within minutes, sit a same table, and not get banned? I’ll wait.

I'm sure there's a lot of collusion going on. But these are still the softest games I've ever found online. These two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

I have now grinded heavily for 4 months, playing 600,000 hands, and at this point can say almost with no doubt that there is something very wrong with PokerBros.

I am $85,000 below EV, playing 2/4 and 5/10 PLO over that sample. Of course this does not at all constitute proof in itself. It could be the very wrong end of variance. That is very possible in PLO, and I would guess is about the bottom 5%ile of variance. However, putting it together with the feel of the app, and what you hear from other respected grinders, I myself now am of the conclusion that there is probably something very shady.

I have played online professionally for 10 years, and never so much as doubted on PokerStars, iPoker,GG, Microgaming etc that anything at all in terms of rigging or collusion could be happening. I have always assured recreational friends- no, there are no lucky accounts, there is no cheating, you are just experiencing a very normal run of bad luck, which is actually probably not as bad as you think.

The problem if a site is actually shady is that it benefits from the cloud of doubt that is thrown over all poker sites. But, there is a much bigger voice saying this about PokerBros. This is why I wanted to point out that I am a professional grinder who has never even thought these things before, and of course has sought the opinion of other grinders along the way. (You may ask the question why I persevered with PokerBros for so long, that is a fair question!)

TimStone, I know you are acting honestly, and make a very noble, helpful addition to the thread. However, would you admit, that although there is some nonsense screaming of "its defintiely rigged!!!", you have now heard a more balanced view from a number of grinders who have never said this about another site, and are asking you to respect their opinion, that something is badly wrong with PokerBros?

I wanted to give a balanced view, but to it simply, I would say to anyone checking the thread wondering whether they can play on PokerBros with safety "please do NOT play on PokerBros."

Damn 600k hands in 4 months, wp

Find it hard to believe. Post your graph. Also what's your sn and what union sturutter?

How much rb is that lawl.

Probably made more through rb than I made all year lol

That's going to be like 1 million in rake if it was mostly 5/10

Lmao. Insane.

Hey. I can only comment of what I see and what I have experienced over time. I currently have 3-4 PLO highstakes playing PokerBros since the beginning of the year. They all win and they all win significantly. None of those guys has complained once about collusion or about riggedness. Those guys all playing Poker for over a decade.

I had several instances in the past where players complained about collusion and about riggedness. I had that on PM, on FishPoker and tbh on pretty much any single site I offered at one point.

I personally was convinced PM was rigged in end 2016 where I played and lost 250k yuan at the 25 50 games in maybe 6 weeks. This has never happend to me since 2008 that I was losing 50 stacks in 6 weeks. I couldn't win 2 days in a row even if my life depended on it. At the same time my friend with whom I started playing was up around 100 stacks... So did i think it was rigged? Definitely but it's hard to uphold this believe if your friend wins around double what you lose.

In 2017 I had a spanish Highstakes pro shouting at me that FishPoker is rigged. That he hasnt seen anything like this in 10 years playing. That this is an absolute joke and there is no way this is fair. I think he maybe lost 500k yuan in a week or 2 or so. After taking a break for a couple of days he came back for more and won over 2mio yuan in the coming weeks.


Long story short. I still think for whatever reason variance on apps is higher compared to Stars/888/whatever. I have no idea why that is. At PM i put this down to straddle and antes. On PokerBros I have no idea why this is but I think variance is higher compared to regular sites.

If you serve 100s of people over the years you will have people who are running in the absolute bottom 1%. It's just simple statistics. And if you run in the bottom 5% it will most likely look rigged.

I like making money but I don't like making money at any cost. Whenever I have a reasonable doubt about a certain site I will inform players that I think there could be something fishy going on entirely independant on how much I make on this site.

Personally speaking PokerBros is the most successful app I have seen since I started in 2016. I haven't seen a single union scam yet where union tries to play less than what they owe you which happens alot on asian apps. Game quality is constantly good for the entire year now which is almost never the case with other apps where game quality declines fast. Resultswise apart from maybe the early PM days there have been no other app i have seen where regs are able to achieve such high winrates consistently.

I know all this doesn't help you much but it's my honest opinion after being involved in the industry for over a decade and on the agent side of things for almost 5 years.

cheers

tl;dr: i dont have any indication of any riggedness whatsoever