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03-03-2020 , 07:18 PM
Is there a club that runs mid to high stakes MTTs that occur during the morning/afternoon in North America?
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03-04-2020 , 04:24 AM
How does one go about finding an agent or club to sign up with? Downloaded the app but don't want to make a username in case that screws things up.

Looking to play cash up to 200nl (mostly lower to start) and mtts up to 109
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03-04-2020 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Polish cheater
Did you forget to tell everyone about you’re multiple accounts playing on the same IP? CHEATERS don’t deserve to get paid!
You have just opened a new account to make this trolling post? Or are you somehow involved in the situation? It is obvious that you need more than one account to multitableing. Pokerbros was never opposite to this.
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03-04-2020 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AppPlayer
Hi, I am a new member, but I have played poker professionally for about ten years. I want to describe a situation that took place on one of clubs from MVP union (first operated on PPPoker, now on Pokerbros). Club's name is GOLDSTARS.

About a year ago, the agent from GOLDSTARS asked me if I would like to play in the club. He said that games ware really juicy and gave 20% rakeback. I decided to try, and it was true. There were soft games with mostly recreational players. I grinded a lot of PLO 4card and 5card there on stakes 2$/4$ up to 5$/10$. I made a good profit and raked massively. So after realized I won so much, they told me that if I want still playing I have to give them 25% cut from future winnings. Games was good enough, so I have agreed.

Obviously, the dark side of the story began when I tried to get my money. I should make regular withdrawals and not keep big money on such insecure site, but it was my first app, and I guess I was unexperienced. Since I am from Europe, and I was going for WSOP to Vegas we agreed with my agent that I would take most of the money in cash during the series. And then the problem started. I got much less than I was expecting, and during all the festival I was asking about the rest of my funds, but I have always heard a response that they have some problems: couldn't make a withdrawal or had to pay other players etc. So instead of returning from US with money I got only a strong fear about losing my profit.

In August we established that the rest of the funds would be withdrawal by BTC. Every day I asked about money, and have been told that thay gonna send it tomorrow or excuses like "we can't send BTC because we have just bought it and it's the rule that we have to wait six days before we can send it". Finally, they send some small amount, but I demanded the rest of the funds.

In September, my agent told me that they had serious issues with collecting money from some guy who lost a lot. He also admitted that owners of the club keep founds and froze it. Later he told me that one of them needed money for his construction company, and he spend all of the club's funds. At that point he opened an account in different club in the same union and advised me to lose money to him piece by a piece. Then he will make withdrawal in other club and send it to me. Again, he sent me some very small part of my money, and owners of the other club blocked his account and asked him to stop doing it. Which is reasonable of course - they had no reason to be involved.


In December, my agent told me that both owners of GOLDSTARS were manipulated him. They just want to keep money for themselves. He decided to left and started working for another club. At the same time, GOLDSTARS moved from PPP to Pokerbross. In January I have warned owners of GOLDSTARS that if I wouldn't got my money back, I would publish all the story. They have told me that thay can't send it all now but promised that I will get all the money in small parts. But as always I didn't got a single $ by next weeks. In February, one of owners promised that I would get 5k until Friday and another 5k next week. Again, I got nothing so I finally decided to start publishing.

Now they own me 53740$. It's really disgusting that they earned so much on my rake, also took 25% cut from winnings and still want to steal the rest. I decided to post here and some other poker forums.

Is there anyone here who was scammed by this club? Anyone who knows something more or can help in some way?
Update:
Bosses from union toke a look to the situation and force a club owner to pay me off. They checked all the numbers and judged that I was right. A club owner called me and promised that he would give me everything back a part by part. He sends me about 1k for the start, so I hope that he is honest.
Thanks a lot for everybody who helped to solve the problem, especially kittrell87.
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03-04-2020 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AppPlayer
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Bosses from union toke a look to the situation and force a club owner to pay me off. They checked all the numbers and judged that I was right. A club owner called me and promised that he would give me everything back a part by part. He sends me about 1k for the start, so I hope that he is honest.
Thanks a lot for everybody who helped to solve the problem, especially kittrell87.
wow that is beyond scummy and just inexcusable behavior on both your agent and the owners. I think you need to list the names of the agent and the owners, as well as the union name(maybe it was in there Ill recheck). 53k is a lot and I'm assuming they all are losing players and basically were covering their losses with your winnings to the union each week
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03-04-2020 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by The Standard Station
wow that is beyond scummy and just inexcusable behavior on both your agent and the owners. I think you need to list the names of the agent and the owners, as well as the union name(maybe it was in there Ill recheck). 53k is a lot and I'm assuming they all are losing players and basically were covering their losses with your winnings to the union each week
looks like the union name is listed, sorry. I think any club owner/agent thats apart of MVP should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their business partner to act in such a vile unethical manner and stay apart of the union. Also 25% rb is tiny, they had to be making thousands off of rakeback you should have personally been pocketing which makes this all the more despicable.
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03-04-2020 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Polish cheater
Did you forget to tell everyone about you’re multiple accounts playing on the same IP? CHEATERS don’t deserve to get paid!
care to provide some facts to substantiate this claim/provide context to the story? Im assuming youre apart of Goldstars so plz provide all info available and why the union sided with the player?
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03-04-2020 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by The Standard Station
looks like the union name is listed, sorry. I think any club owner/agent thats apart of MVP should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their business partner to act in such a vile unethical manner and stay apart of the union. Also 25% rb is tiny, they had to be making thousands off of rakeback you should have personally been pocketing which makes this all the more despicable.
Actually, I think owners and agents from other clubs could know nothing about it, at least until I started to ask for help and make it public. Also, reaction of the heads of union seems to be fine. Looks like they care about fair environment. Hope that they will keep eye on the case and make sure I will get my funds back.
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03-04-2020 , 08:21 PM
How do you multi table on poker bros with the LD Player emulator?
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03-05-2020 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AppPlayer
Actually, I think owners and agents from other clubs could know nothing about it, at least until I started to ask for help and make it public. Also, reaction of the heads of union seems to be fine. Looks like they care about fair environment. Hope that they will keep eye on the case and make sure I will get my funds back.
You seem to be handling this in good spirits so I apologize for my negative tone that was voiced in my post. I hope it works out for you and plz keep us posted. Its just tough to see agents acting unethically and creating the mistrust that exists in many rec players minds about the club/agent system. All it takes is one story like this and a player could be permanently against this type of arrangement, so one agents selfishness damages the pools for all of us. Oftentimes other agents are aware of it as players will talk on the table and then ask their agents if they know about x,y,z, then never look into the problem indepthly.
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03-05-2020 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Standard Station
You seem to be handling this in good spirits so I apologize for my negative tone that was voiced in my post. I hope it works out for you and plz keep us posted. Its just tough to see agents acting unethically and creating the mistrust that exists in many rec players minds about the club/agent system. All it takes is one story like this and a player could be permanently against this type of arrangement, so one agents selfishness damages the pools for all of us. Oftentimes other agents are aware of it as players will talk on the table and then ask their agents if they know about x,y,z, then never look into the problem indepthly.
There is no reason to apologize, the feeling of disgust absolutely suits that situation. However, I can't be 100% happy of course, but there is at least some reaction of union's bosses so I hope that problem will be fix.

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How do you multi table on poker bros with the LD Player emulator?
I was playing in this club on PPPoker before they switched to Pokerbros, so I am not sure, but I guess emulators should work here.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-06-2020 at 02:00 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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03-05-2020 , 10:29 PM
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How do you multi table on poker bros with the LD Player emulator?
Same way like you multitable any other app using the ldplayer
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03-09-2020 , 12:44 PM
which huds work on pokerbros?
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03-09-2020 , 11:48 PM
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which huds work on pokerbros?
H2n & elitehud
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03-12-2020 , 01:56 AM
I understand that this app is heaven for agents because of the RB etc, but are there any players that can provide me a decent sample size of actually winning at.. say 7bb/100 over more than 75k hands at $1/2 or higher? Only NLHE. If verifiable I might be willing to pay $50 for said info ( happy to accept free offers ) in BTC.
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03-12-2020 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NOTAWIZARD
I understand that this app is heaven for agents because of the RB etc, but are there any players that can provide me a decent sample size of actually winning at.. say 7bb/100 over more than 75k hands at $1/2 or higher? Only NLHE. If verifiable I might be willing to pay $50 for said info ( happy to accept free offers ) in BTC.
why would anybody sane in their mind take you up on that. If i'd be crushing the app with 15bb/100 it would be entirely detrimental to my own interest to send you prove of that for lol 50 bucks while it would cost me 10x+++ this amount I give up by crippling my EV in getting more regs to teh site.

it's been told over and over again that people here have good results and it's by far the most demanded of all apps out there atm. If results are **** on an app there won't be demand and people will stop, if results are great there will be big demand and more and more people start playing.
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03-12-2020 , 03:45 PM
@TimStone,

Your reach of people is far beyond mine, but I don't know tons of people that claim that they are doing great on NLHE Pokerbro's games. In fact, I don't know anyone. Browsing through this thread I saw a couple posts that might indicate people winning, but not really anything substantial. The main reason I'm trying to get my hands on some meaningful same sizes for my stakes ($1/2) is because I would love to be have some 'proof' that I'm just being a sore loser that can't beat the games. I'm spending hours and hours daily on this app grinding, it would make me very happy to see some other regs do well in these games so i know it's just me/variance.

I agree that most regs wouldn't offer up their database for free /$50, but there are still plenty of regs that wouldn't mind. Especially given that on apps like these it's quite easy to change your nicknames/ make new accounts etc.

Also, the $50 stands for anyone who can bring me some 'proof' of winning larger samples. I don't care if a 2nl grinder reading this thread remembers a post on some other forum from a Pokerbros reg bragging about soft games/linking me to it. If i can follow up on the information to a point where I'm satisfied with what I have, I'll be happy to pay.

Again, I would be endlessly more happy with having more information that points towards me being a sore loser rather than anything pointing towards the app being flawed in one way or another.
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03-13-2020 , 11:47 AM
How much data does say one instance of pokerbros use on average? I had to use my phone as a hotspot because I have really bad internet here and my phone company is claiming that I used 30 GB of data in one day (thus resulting in slower speeds until the end of the month) which to me seems almost impossible. Any input provided could help me dispute this claim. Thanks!
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03-13-2020 , 02:48 PM
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How much data does say one instance of pokerbros use on average? I had to use my phone as a hotspot because I have really bad internet here and my phone company is claiming that I used 30 GB of data in one day (thus resulting in slower speeds until the end of the month) which to me seems almost impossible. Any input provided could help me dispute this claim. Thanks!
If you have an Iphone, it should show you how much data has been used by specific apps recently. in any case, it should definitely not be anywhere 30gb...ever.
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03-13-2020 , 09:38 PM
Does anyone know how to pop out the tables so you can have 4 different windows of tables open when on the PC emulator? I've seen someone do it so I know it's possible, but if I open another instance on the emulator it logs me out of the first one, I've tried on 2 different emulators so I don't think that's the issue.
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03-14-2020 , 06:11 AM
You need multiple accounts. If you use one account obvioulsy ull log urself out
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03-14-2020 , 07:42 AM
I'm jumping back into the poker app scene with everything going on right now and I had few questions.

What are the standard rake back deals? I was in a PP club but it was really sketchy and eventually collapsed. (Should I auto-bail when an agent is making excuses to pay?) Before it's collapsed I was getting 40% RB. Is that a normal rate?

I just got in a Bros club where the agent told me he would give me 50% RB for the remainder of this month to recruit me but he says he would literally be breaking even on that. (Kinda doubt)

Can an agent explain the downline system in detail and let me know what I can do to get the best rates? (I'm assuming finding an agent higher in the chain.)
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03-14-2020 , 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Giants115
I'm jumping back into the poker app scene with everything going on right now and I had few questions.

What are the standard rake back deals? I was in a PP club but it was really sketchy and eventually collapsed. (Should I auto-bail when an agent is making excuses to pay?) Before it's collapsed I was getting 40% RB. Is that a normal rate?

I just got in a Bros club where the agent told me he would give me 50% RB for the remainder of this month to recruit me but he says he would literally be breaking even on that. (Kinda doubt)

Can an agent explain the downline system in detail and let me know what I can do to get the best rates? (I'm assuming finding an agent higher in the chain.)

this depends on alot of factors. usual rates are probably between 15 and 50%, below 15 is very low over 50 is very high from what i have seen.

another overlooked factor is your agent. good agents will be more expensive, they will guarantee deposits and winnings, some you wont even have to put money down yourself. in order to do those guarantees they need margins.

in general the more margins an agent has the more he will guarantee, the less margins he has the higher the chance is he might guarantee but not pay in the end bc he didnt make enough money.


so the more important question you should ask on any of those apps:

- do i need to deposit my own money? will it be held by the club? what happens if club runs with my money do you guarantee my deposits?

and

- what happens if i win 2k usd and club does not pay you? do you still pay me? do you guarantee me that money?

generally speaking the more secure an agent is the less rb you will get

the better a club is game quality wise the less rb you will get

also there will be expections to this
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03-15-2020 , 06:06 PM
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If you have an Iphone, it should show you how much data has been used by specific apps recently. in any case, it should definitely not be anywhere 30gb...ever.
My phone claimed it did use 30.63 GB of data from hotspot and tethering that day. Any idea what could possibly be going on here?
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03-16-2020 , 04:16 AM
Is anyone using a hud on bros? I played around with the hand2note trial and it seems anytime you switch tables it basically stops tracking. Any workarounds?
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