TimStone

Sorry I’m blowing up your cash grab.

How is a roll going to get seized. The players are the system. If anyone is freezing $, it’s you.

Working for free? You mean making 10-25% commission off rake to play banker? Wow. Super super hard.

If the software ever banned an account, it’s because they did something against their terms.

Please tell me how difficult it is having 5 iPhones and getting Apple Pay and cashapp and sending out chips. I’ll wait.

And just to add, it’s obvious you are trying to make it out to be much more difficult than it is , because you don’t want people like myself telling others how they are getting ripped off to ask for more rake. Hurts your bottom line. I get it. But I don’t care.

Carl Trooper

Is agenting "difficult?" No, not really. But it does require time, availability, attention to detail, dealing with people, capital, risk; and being organized, efficient, and trustworthy. It's not "free money", and it's not "barely doing anything". Frankly it's pretty much a full-time job (in some cases you're expected to be working more than full-time), and while you're right that it's not technically "hard", you seem to underestimate a lot of variables that go into the work. There are people who request dozens of transactions per day. There are people who want to tell you bad beat stories. There are sub-agents and club owners who don't settle on time and require regular check-ins. There are many spreadsheets to keep track of. I could go on and on. Again, none of this is necessarily "hard work", and I'm not complaining. But your sentiment seems to be that someone who is spending time working is somehow earning "free money", which doesn't make sense in any field.

whatwonder

Agree with what you wrote, but the fact is the “job” can be taught to anyone with a pulse in under 2 hours. And it’s printing $.
You can ignore bad beat stories.
When you have a **** ton of people under you, yes it’s printing $ for minimal effort.

My annoyance is owners like Tim who are literally making tens of thousands a month / week and then trying to make sure players get less and less.
A lot of people are clueless to these apps and what the standard is. A lot of players don’t even know they can get rakeback. I wonder how many visitors here or members alone wouldn’t even know or be afraid to ask if it wasn’t for people like me.

I’ve seen monthly rake numbers from owners. I’ve seen high 5 figures and 6 figures.

They can afford to give 40%.

+1 I believe it was one of your posts that lead me to ask for rake back. I got 20% which seemed ok paid monthly weekly if needed. But asking for 40% is reasonable?

I left the club I started poker bros with because pumped some good volume and when i asked for rake back he seemed insulted and kept beating around the question.

Lol@agents doing nothing. You expect the agents to be on call every waking hour, be trustworthy, guarantee your funds, not make accounting mistakes, promptly pay rb. You also need to realize for every winning player an agent has that they “do nothing” they have 2-3 losing players who are ten times the amount of work.

Even funnier is the idea that anyone can be an agent. You trust your money with anyone?

1) don’t expect them to be on call every hour... a good club will have a main line # Incase people can’t reach their agents
2) be trust worthy and guarantee your funds... thats not relevant to my post of this being easy or being “free” money. And that’s also a gamble of playing on these apps, everyone is aware of so this is irrelevant.
3) unless you can’t do basic math or follow your own paper trail, you won’t have accounting mistakes.
4) rake is paid back mondays... you look at your in game statistics , see the RB earned , multiply it by your agreed upon amount, and send it. Again, easy and doesn’t take long. And if it takes long , that means you have many people which means you make good $.

You can teach anyone how to be an agent within 1 hour. Sending and receiving money is not hard. Only thing that would be annoying is cycling though payments if you have a ton of people. But that’s still not hard.

Owners have much more work to do, but it’s still a breeze compared to real work when you look at the $ they bring in compared to how difficult the task is.

It’s like you’re making 5-20k a week as an owner to do a job that is easier than McDonalds.

Carl you seem very salty. If all these guys are making "10s of thousands a week" and its so easy why aren't you an agent or a club owner?

Carl, is there a reason you haven't become an agent offering everybody 40%+?

He might've not enough time for making an extra 20 large/week for literally doing nothing so i totally get him

Give me 20 of your friends and I will. Also I said owners make that. But agents can still make a ton.

Because there are no new players. Everyone who plays poker is already affiliated with a club/ aware of the app. Use your head.

I totally understand; competitive markets do require a lot of work.

Yeh most people are already in existing clubs.

It’s practically impossible to create one now and think you could compete.
People are just mad because I blew up their spot and I’m allowing others to see how they are being ripped off.
Also people didn’t like my revealing of how easy it was to collude and multiaccount from the same household with just a phone and laptop.

Goodluck in your club

I don't have a club. But, I do use a hard-working trustworthy known guy from 2p2 as my agent -- and he gives me a fair deal.

Best wishes.

doesn’t the app or union have ways to spot those colluders?

They claim they do, but 95% of policing is done by the users.

If you aren’t completely obvious, it’s very easy to do and I’m sure a ton goes undetected.

GPS and IP blocking to try and prevent it.

Any place that we play poker is going to have some collusion, we're just never going to be able to avoid it. I've been in some BigO games on the app where I can't really prove anything weird is happening, but it feels like I'm playing against teams. But, at the same time, I'm winning and many of my friends are also winning. It is nearly impossible to tell the difference between team play and just a group of fish in 5 card hi/lo anyway... so probably just my imagination.

PLO and NLHE games, otoh, I've frankly never seen anything weird and the games are amazingly good. Every time I wonder "gosh, did those two guys best hand me," just a hand or two later I'll see them not be in a hand together and just punt their stack... so, not a team.

tl;dr - collusion can/does happen anywhere there is poker, my experience says it's not a big deal on the apps while at the same time the games are just too juicy to pass up.

^^^^ completely agree.

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GPS and IP both can be faked. That is why all the asian poker apps got flooded with collusion. I hope PokerBros has developed some other methods to catch cheaters. Otherwise I am afraid it is going to become like PM sooner or later.

There have been dozens of apps over the past three years, all experiencing different degrees of collusion. PokerMaster- the first major app- was possibly home to the largest share of that collusion. There are no obvious reasons why PokerBros should go the way of the worst case scenario. There are also reasons, discussed already in this thread, why non-Chinese-based apps are likely to experience far less collusion than their Asian counterparts.

Your forgetting we also tech support

"Time to play smart.lol"

And staring at a frozen emulator for 15 minutes without attempting to restart it.

Gonna go out on a limb and guess that he's not a winning player.

Based on my experience of tech support for these apps, I seriously wouldn't be so sure of that!

****ing disconnects constantly, pretty disgusting there is no base DC protection without paying some ****ing stupid VIP thing.

literal constant dc all day, happened just now, raise with KK get 3b and freezes right before i can shove. hand folds and it just moved on like nothing, ****ing disgusting and no recourse. was on mobile so its not like anything else is running.

Hopefully you reduced his rakeback to 20% after this for providing additional tech support services.